Josh Allen injury update(officially questionable - expected to start per Ian Rappaport)

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Here’s what I’m saying..

 

-Our OL is not as bad as some people here think.  
 

-I’ve, from jump, been part of the crowd that thinks our skill positions are overrated ..  but they’re also not bad. You can do a lot worse than Hines, Singletary, Cook, Knox, Diggs, Davis, McKenzie and Shakir if we start developing defined roles & usage for them. 
 

It’s not going to look like the hyper aggressive Allen led offense, but that may also not be the worst thing in the world right now.   Maybe we figure some stuff out because we’re forced to without a cheat code at QB for X amount of games. 
 

I know we’re all down on the defense right now, so it would be a great time for McDermott’s annual focus on getting the run fits correct.  

 

I get that and that's a fair post. However, I think it's safe to say we all would like to get things worked out with Allen as our QB. Imho, the worst thing that can happen to this team is to be without Allen for 3 or more games. To expect Keenam to play well and win games is very optimistic. Without Allen, teams can contrentrate on the few weapons the Bills have. I have little confidence they will find their run game. Keenam can't throw the ball downfield. He can't stretch a defense. Defenses will squat, sit, and jump the short passes. INTs will be there for the taking. I just don't see a serviceable offense with Keenam. Heck, the last 6 quarters with Allen were crap and now some expect Keenam, coaches, and scheme to step it up. Sure it's possible but what's the probability of successful sustained offense? 

 

The Bills will absolutely have to win their games on defense. They will have to force turnovers and come up big. Currently, they are having some clear issues stopping the run. Another Fraizer and McD common theme rears its ugly head. That defense is vulnerable to the run. Always has been and always will be. Add on teams are negating the Bills pass rush with short quick passes. The Jets did it very well. The Bills secondary without Hyde, Poyer, and Tre are not elite. Hyde's injury cannot be under estimated. Who knows when the Bills get back Tre being Tre. I think it will take some time before he hits his stride. Elam and Bedford are learning on the job. They look very promising but for now they are still rookies and will make mistakes. J Johnson doesn't belong on the field. He is just plain slow and not instinctive. With all those negatives the Bills still have a formidable defense. Rousseau and Von can create havoc. Espenesa and Boogie are dog poop. Hope both are off the team next year. Phillips and Settle need to plug the middle. Lastly, I want to address the Bills tackling. They were excellent tackling defenders in the first 4 or 5 games. The last few games have been very very bad. 

 

This team is 6-2 but it feels like a bad 6-2. Feels like a team on its heals struggling to find its identity on both sides of the ball. Allen under duress and making poor passing decisions, WR who aren't stepping it up besides someone named Diggs, a running game that disappears almost every game. 

 

Fast forward to today and teams in the division absolutely know they can beat the Bills. There is no doubt or psychological edge. There is no choking when its crunch time. Seemingly, the pressure is on the "Goliath" Bills team. Look to the ending of the Jets game. Allen and the Bills would absolutely get into field goal range 8 or 9 times out of 10. We know what hapoened. A colossal failure that seemingly brought back past bad Bills memories. You know you felt it every bit as I did. 

 

Lastly, I just hope and pray we aren't watching this season slowly fade away with another disappointing ending. 6-2 is great but the feeling that this team is unbeatable or elite has taken a big hit. Without Allen, this team is fools gold. 

Edited November 8, 2022 by newcam2012

[Richard Noggin]

Each of the last three seasons have seen a multiple-game swoon like this one: bad defense (especially against the run), Josh Allen out of sync with his suddenly thin receiving corps, no running game or balance, or physicality in general, and a looming fear (backed up by recent results) that the team has been exposed, top-to-bottom. 

 

Each of the last three seasons, the Bills have gone from being figured out, to figuring it out. 

 

Injuries have definitely exacerbated this season's "swoon," but nevertheless we shall see if our 2022 team can sort itself out and improve in the 2nd half the way good teams do.

[Big C]

2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Each of the last three seasons have seen a multiple-game swoon like this one: bad defense (especially against the run), Josh Allen out of sync with his suddenly thin receiving corps, no running game or balance, or physicality in general, and a looming fear (backed up by recent results) that the team has been exposed, top-to-bottom. 

 

Each of the last three seasons, the Bills have gone from being figured out, to figuring it out. 

 

Injuries have definitely exacerbated this season's "swoon," but nevertheless we shall see if our 2022 team can sort itself out and improve in the 2nd half the way good teams do.

this is true. The injury is what’s hanging in the balance right now. 

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

We need to win games. Nothing in the future is guaranteed. The time to win a championship is now. If there’s serious risk of making the injury worse then fine. Don’t be dumb. But you can’t just keep writing these games and seasons off. You might never get back. People are way too patient in a league where everything can change In a minute. You have to try and cash in on one of these seasons. Nobody is getting younger. If he can play, he needs to play. We aren’t moving the ball on anyone with a noodle arm journeyman backup that can’t hurt you with his legs. The Vikings are 7-1. We are going to have a hard enough time with Allen. You can’t just keep running backups out thinking we can hold serve. The chiefs aren’t going to lose. You blew the cushion with the inexcusable jet loss. Now you have to treat every game like the playoffs because if we go to KC in the playoffs we are toast

if Josh Allen doesn’t play it isn’t because he has an owee 

 

The bills know the significance of having to sit down a franchise Qb even for a game They only do it if there’s a chance that it could get injured worse

[Bubba Gump]

2 hours ago, chongli said:

 One poster said JA was noodle-armed and injury prone. 

 

I read that one, but the poster was referring to us on TBD calling Tua noodle arm, injury prone and soft. Which is actually still true. He had 2 decent games against 2 of the worst teams in the league. Yet they still barely beat Detroit and Chicago. And the delusional Miami fans think they have the second coming of Dan Marino. That hot sun beating down on their brains can cause some serious damage. 

Edited November 8, 2022 by Bubba Gump

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I get that and that's a fair post. However, I think it's safe to say we all would like to get things worked out with Allen as our QB. Imho, the worst thing that can happen to this team is to be without Allen for 3 or more games. To expect Keenam to play well and win games is very optimistic. Without Allen, teams can contrentrate on the few weapons the Bills have. I have little confidence they will find their run game. Keenam can't throw the ball downfield. He can't stretch a defense. Defenses will squat, sit, and jump the short passes. INTs will be there for the taking. I just don't see a serviceable offense with Keenam. Heck, the last 6 quarters with Allen were crap and now some expect Keenam, coaches, and scheme to step it up. Sure it's possible but what's the probability of successful sustained offense? 

 

The Bills will absolutely have to win their games on defense. They will have to force turnovers and come up big. Currently, they are having some clear issues stopping the run. Another Fraizer and McD common theme rears its ugly head. That defense is vulnerable to the run. Always has been and always will be. Add on teams are negating the Bills pass rush with short quick passes. The Jets did it very well. The Bills secondary without Hyde, Poyer, and Tre are not elite. Hyde's injury cannot be under estimated. Who knows when the Bills get back Tre being Tre. I think it will take some time before he hits his stride. Elam and Bedford are learning on the job. They look very promising but for now they are still rookies and will make mistakes. J Johnson doesn't belong on the field. He is just plain slow and not instinctive. With all those negatives the Bills still have a formidable defense. Rousseau and Von can create havoc. Espenesa and Boogie are dog poop. Hope both are off the team next year. Phillips and Settle need to plug the middle. Lastly, I want to address the Bills tackling. They were excellent tackling defenders in the first 4 or 5 games. The last few games have been very very bad. 

 

This team is 6-2 but it feels like a bad 6-2. Feels like a team on its heals struggling to find its identity on both sides of the ball. Allen under duress and making poor passing decisions, WR who aren't stepping it up besides someone named Diggs, a running game that disappears almost every game. 

 

Fast forward to today and teams in the division absolutely know they can beat the Bills. There is no doubt or psychological edge. There is no choking when its crunch time. Seemingly, the pressure is on the "Goliath" Bills team. Look to the ending of the Jets game. Allen and the Bills would absolutely get into field goal range 8 or 9 times out of 10. We know what hapoened. A colossal failure that seemingly brought back past bad Bills memories. You know you felt it every bit as I did. 

 

Lastly, I just hope and pray we aren't watching this season slowly fade away with another disappointing ending. 6-2 is great but the feeling that this team is unbeatable or elite has taken a big hit. Without Allen, this team is fools gold. 

As in the words of the great Kobe Bryant scared get a dog

[UKBillFan]

1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

I read that one, but the poster was referring to us on TBD calling Tua noodle arm, injury prone and soft. Which is actually still true. He had 2 decent games against 2 of the worst teams in the league. Yet they still barely beat Detroit and Chicago. And the delusional Miami fans think they have the second coming of Dan Marino. That hot sun beating down on their brains can cause some serious damage. 

One thing Fins fans should consider - put Josh behind their own line with their receivers and do the same with Tua here. Who’s doing better?

[GunnerBill]

I am officially concerned. Josh is a warrior, but if he can't throw the ball I think we are in trouble. 

[Frez]

No matter who our QB is going forward we need to find a running game. 
 

[harryS]

why are people getting on the poster who said the Bills are a .500 team without Josh.

 

in recent years, we have seen teams that are strong everywhere except QB struggle to .500-ish seasons.  some recent broncos and saints teams come to mind.

 

that's just the reality of today's nfl.  you need a QB

[BananaB]

4 minutes ago, harryS said:

why are people getting on the poster who said the Bills are a .500 team without Josh.

 

in recent years, we have seen teams that are strong everywhere except QB struggle to .500-ish seasons.  some recent broncos and saints teams come to mind.

 

that's just the reality of today's nfl.  you need a QB

 With all the injuries on D I don’t think we are .500 team without Josh. Especially with teams knowing they can bring in big sets and just run it down our throat for 10 minute drives. 

[Matt_In_NH]

6 minutes ago, harryS said:

why are people getting on the poster who said the Bills are a .500 team without Josh.

 

in recent years, we have seen teams that are strong everywhere except QB struggle to .500-ish seasons.  some recent broncos and saints teams come to mind.

 

that's just the reality of today's nfl.  you need a QB

 

Mostly true....but the Bills have a very good roster.  I would expect better than 500 but it depends on the opponents and Keenum a lot.  Dallas won all their games with a nobody backup.  The rest of the team will need to rally around him and the carelessness will have to stop.  The Bills were 9-7 with Tyrod.

[YoloinOhio]

7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Can anyonye verify this?

 

“On Monday Night Countdown, Adam Schefter said the Bills don't think this UCL injury for Josh Allen is as serious as the one he had in 2018, but they're still doing more testing.”

Didn’t see it but thats consistent with every report 

[78thealltimegreat]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Didn’t see it but thats consistent with every report 

Yeh ironically it’s what my wife thought in 2018 he had a grade 2 which made him miss 4 games. If he likely has a grade 1 then he’s basically game to game now. 

[QCity]

35 minutes ago, harryS said:

why are people getting on the poster who said the Bills are a .500 team without Josh.

 

in recent years, we have seen teams that are strong everywhere except QB struggle to .500-ish seasons.  some recent broncos and saints teams come to mind.

 

that's just the reality of today's nfl.  you need a QB

 

It's called wishful thinking. For almost 20 they tried to pretend that the team could compete without a QB. Some fans can talk themselves into it, but if Josh goes down for the year the season is over and that's it. No sugar-coating it. 

 

Fortunately that doesn't appear to be the case and it seems like overblown hysterics after a loss.

[LabattBlue]

21 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Yeh ironically it’s what my wife thought in 2018 he had a grade 2 which made him miss 4 games. If he likely has a grade 1 then he’s basically game to game now. 

Amazing!  What is her diagnosis on Tre’ White and his never ending recovery?

[UKBillFan]

35 minutes ago, BananaB said:

 With all the injuries on D I don’t think we are .500 team without Josh. Especially with teams knowing they can bring in big sets and just run it down our throat for 10 minute drives. 

 

For the most part we can probably do without Josh OR Poyer and Milano for a handful of games in the regular season, as long as those playing don't mess the bed. But we can't afford to be missing all three.

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxBDk3SwjKJb8U3wvCl3Y2xWZtkkLFVKri

Edited November 8, 2022 by Dablitzkrieg

[BuffaloBaumer]

At this point, any news other than Tommy John surgery and I would be ecstatic. I just wanted to hear that eliminated as an option as soon as possible.

[dave mcbride]

13 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Well if you read the

previous posts on UCL tears if surgery is needed it may involve Tommy John and if it is Tommy John then Josh Allen played his last game as a Bill 

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20609599/

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

At this point, any news other than Tommy John surgery and I would be ecstatic. I just wanted to hear that eliminated as an option as soon as possible.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20609599/

[Casey D]

11 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

The irony of all this is how crazy everyone has been about Josh running.

No the real irony is how many in Bills Mafia are weenies.  Who knew the once stout folks of WNY had so declined.  Jump on tables sure, but a little adversity and they crap the bed.

 

Based on all information-- some good some bad-- my worthless opinion is that Allen has a Grade 1 UCL sprain and may miss a game or two. 50/50 to play Sunday.  

Edited November 8, 2022 by Casey D

[BuffaloBaumer]

9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20609599/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20609599/

Thanks for that

[Seventeen]

11 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20609599/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20609599/

 

Even in the remote chance he needed surgery, Justin Verlander did OK with TJ and was still bringing it 95+ most times. 

[stevewin]

This whole huge trend of 'experts' dagnosing injuries from video is ridiculous to me.  All it does is raise wild speculation based on an opinion.  The only way to diagnose the injury is to examine it and do tests.  We will know the extent when the team releases information on the injury.

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, stevewin said:

This whole huge trend of 'experts' dagnosing injuries from video is ridiculous to me.  All it does is raise wild speculation based on an opinion.  The only way to diagnose the injury is to examine it and do tests.  We will know the extent when the team releases information on the injury.

I just fall back on what my brother and others in sports medicine / physical therapy have said … it’s next to impossible, structurally, to throw that 70 yard pass if he had damage necessitating surgery.  
 

Therefore, we’re likely looking at a anywhere from 0-4 weeks depending on if it’s a minor strain that just needs monitoring or one that requires rest (as in his rookie year). 
 

That’s at least keeping me sane through all this. 

[clayboy54]

9 hours ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

Obviously, when (hopefully not) it’s time to support Keenum, most of us will do just that whether at the game or watching it. However to pretend that what we saw over last couple weeks and of Keenum earlier in the year doesn’t matter or is somehow an insulting others is absurd. Even with Allen in we largely just had one superstar WR, bad running game, and a below average line.  I hope someone steps up if Josh is out but the O is in serious trouble without Allen’s arm or legs. Honestly I think we will have to do what the Jets did to us yesterday to be competitive.  Lets Go Buffalo 

You seem to have missed my whole premise. None of us have EVER seen Case Keenam with a week of preparation and game planning, not to mention playing with all the starters. You can say what you want and dig your heels in, too. You have no earthly idea what he can do with the opportunity. At best, you are on a soapbox.

[ShakAttack]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

Mostly true....but the Bills have a very good roster.  I would expect better than 500 but it depends on the opponents and Keenum a lot.  Dallas won all their games with a nobody backup.  The rest of the team will need to rally around him and the carelessness will have to stop.  The Bills were 9-7 with Tyrod.

I have this weird feeling that we would find out our roster on offense is not as good as we thought if Allen were to be out. 
 

Diggs is our best player outside of Allen. He came from Minnesota, where I would argue he had 2 teammates on offense that were already better than anyone else we have in Thielen and Dalvin Cook. 
 

And then if you look around the league - heck even within our own division (outside of the Pats) - there seems to be a lot more talent on offense outside the QB position.  Yes that does include the Jets (especially if you include Breece Hall). They have a LOT of YOUNG talent, particularly after the last couple drafts.

[pocoboy]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Amazing!  What is her diagnosis on Tre’ White and his never ending recovery?

 

My thought was with some rain in the Meadowlands on Sunday they didn't want to expose him to those conditions on turf in his first game back. Although you're going to have to rip the bandaid off sooner or later, and it's rare to have pristine conditions.

Edited November 8, 2022 by pocoboy

[Heitz]

1 minute ago, BobBelcher said:

I have this weird feeling that we would find out our roster on offense is not as good as we thought if Allen were to be out. 

 

Ya think?  Remove one of the best players in the league, at the most important position on the team, and the team does't look as good..? 🤣

 

 

[ShakAttack]

1 minute ago, Heitz said:

 

Ya think?  Remove one of the best players in the league, at the most important position on the team, and the team does't look as good..? 🤣

 

 

Yeah smart guy. You know what I meant. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

If Allen is out, it'll be interesting to see whether, and to what extent, the defense will step up.  

[Dablitzkrieg]

6 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

I have this weird feeling that we would find out our roster on offense is not as good as we thought if Allen were to be out. 
 

Diggs is our best player outside of Allen. He came from Minnesota, where I would argue he had 2 teammates on offense that were already better than anyone else we have in Thielen and Dalvin Cook. 
 

And then if you look around the league - heck even within our own division (outside of the Pats) - there seems to be a lot more talent on offense outside the QB position.  Yes that does include the Jets (especially if you include Breece Hall). They have a LOT of YOUNG talent, particularly after the last couple drafts.

That's fine.  I'll trust the professional coaching staff over BobBelcher

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

I have this weird feeling that we would find out our roster on offense is not as good as we thought if Allen were to be out. 
 

Diggs is our best player outside of Allen. He came from Minnesota, where I would argue he had 2 teammates on offense that were already better than anyone else we have in Thielen and Dalvin Cook. 
 

And then if you look around the league - heck even within our own division (outside of the Pats) - there seems to be a lot more talent on offense outside the QB position.  Yes that does include the Jets (especially if you include Breece Hall). They have a LOT of YOUNG talent, particularly after the last couple drafts.

Pats are the least talented team in the division. 

Garrett Wilson, Tyler Conklin, Braxton Berrios, Denzel Mims, Michael Carter, James Robinson and that OL is not better than we have… and that, led by Zach Wilson, beat us on Sunday. 
 

Miami has the most talent at the skill positions in the division … agreed there. 

[ShakAttack]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

That's fine.  I'll trust the professional coaching staff over BobBelcher

A point was being made about how Dallas won most of their games without their starting QB. 

 

My point is, that’s comparing apples and oranges. 
 

There are also plenty of examples where teams fall apart after losing their starting QB. 
 

and it’s also pretty obvious that Allen has elevated the game of his teammates since he has been here. Guys like John Brown and Cole Beasley have had a lot more production with Josh Allen than anywhere else in their career. 

[97bills]

Nervous all day to hear my buffalo app go off. And it’s the song let’s go buffalo, 🤞🏻

[pocoboy]

I kinda hope that the coaches & medical staff all know it's minor, but that they've decided to slow play it to let the players think about their season hanging in the balance. This team lost motivation around this part of the schedule in 2021, and Sunday (and the last quarter or two of GB) should be flashing lights. This Minnesota game could quickly turn into last season's Indianapolis game if their heads are in the clouds.

 

It sucks to think these guys need reasons to get up for games.

[since79]

I am surprised this has not been brought up.  I wonder if a loss of Allen for any time would come into play in OBJ's decision on what team to play for.  I would have to assume it would.   Allen needs to play to have any shot at OBJ.  Lets hope it is minor, we need to win this week regardless even with Keenum and Allen's injury cannot keep him off the field long  to stay in this OBJ discussion.  Based on Davis and our slot's recent  play I think we need him.

[Beast]

46 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

At this point, any news other than Tommy John surgery and I would be ecstatic. I just wanted to hear that eliminated as an option as soon as possible.

Tommy John surgery for an NFL QB is not near the recovery time that it is for an MLB pitcher. In fact, if Allen would have to have it, he would miss this season which would suck but would be back at full strength next Fall.

 

Jake Delhomme had TJ surgery years ago and said he felt as good as new in 6 months and played the next season and led the Panthers to a 12-4 record.

[ShakAttack]

18 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Pats are the least talented team in the division. 

Garrett Wilson, Tyler Conklin, Braxton Berrios, Denzel Mims, Michael Carter, James Robinson and that OL is not better than we have… and that, led by Zach Wilson, beat us on Sunday. 
 

Miami has the most talent at the skill positions in the division … agreed there. 

Jets, when healthy, at the skill positions outside QB you’ve got:

 

WR- Garrett Wilson, Denzel Mims, Elijah Moore, Corey Davis (definitely a lot of young and developing talent here)

 

RB- Breece Hall, Carter, Robinson (Hall looked like the offensive ROY prior to ACL injury. In fairness this was also before Kenneth Walker’s stock took off though, but he could’ve taken one of those runs to the house against us on Sunday IMO)

 

TE- Yeah.. not so good.

 

But there is definitely a lot of sneaky young talent on that offense and learning to win with it now, they’re learning to involve Garrett Wilson more in recent weeks, and I think it can only get better. 
 

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by BobBelcher

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

Jets, when healthy, at the skill positions outside QB you’ve got:

 

WR- Garrett Wilson, Denzel Mims, Elijah Moore, Corey Davis (definitely a lot of young and developing talent here)

 

RB- Breece Hall, Carter, Robinson (Hall looked like the offensive ROY prior to ACL injury. In fairness this was also before Kenneth Walker’s stock took off though, but he could’ve taken one of those runs to the house against us on Sunday IMO)

 

TE- Yeah.. not so good.

 

But there is definitely a lot of sneaky young talent on that offense and learning to win with it now, they’re learning to involve Garrett Wilson more in recent weeks, and I think it can only get better. 
 

 

Oh, when healthy.. I like their talent … but they had no Hall or Davis against us, and that OL is decimated.