Did Epenesa just earn himself the Jerry Hughes treatment?

[Sherlock Holmes]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Betcha it had an "F" in it.

"You're just a little ***** hussy!" 

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I personally have some faith that the Bills will take the situation up with the league and point out “hey, our guy was trying to defuse the situation and take his buddy away, he had no reason to believe the guy shoving him was a ref, he had no intention to throw an elbow at a ref” with pics.  

 

Hopefully they have some cred, and Epenesa will make some amends somehow and not make a habit of this.

 

 

I share your concern but I think Hughes had a years-long pattern with multiple refs that earned him ref purgatory, not just that one B word-out moment.

 

Jerry had a pattern to transition into a scary guy Kyle Williams called “Gary” when his fuse got lit

We'll see...would hate to have that vicious cycle repeated again. I'll definitely be looking for flags anytime Epenesa is on the field.

[Kwai San]

2 hours ago, Buddo said:

Possibly. Looked to me that AJ was moving Shaq out of the way, when Hussey pushed him, AJ had his back to Hussey, and stuck his elbow back and caught Hussey, who then lost the plot.

 

No doubt the NFL will side with the zebra, but imho, common sense should prevail, and Epenesa shouldn't be unduly punished, especially as he was trying to keep Shaq away from getting into it.

 

Imho, Hussey was a complete idiot in his actions. You don't go shoving NFL players around who can't see you, and expect no reaction.

 

Good referees don't get involved in that way in the first place, especially when the guy you are shoving, is trying to defuse the situation.

So I totally agree w this but will the Zebras?   Me thinks no....sadly

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:

Looks like a.j said something to him that lit the fuse 

Yup. he had an opportunity to fix his mistake and he escalated it.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Uh oh...looks like Epenesa got Hussey throwing a hussey fit with some extracurricular elbow action! (Great move by the way)

 

My question is Jerry Hughes only bitched out a referee and forever was targeted, can we expect the same from here on out with young Epenesa? Did he just make his career that much more difficult? Discuss!

 

 

 

This is a TBD myth, not fact.

 

He ran afoul of the refs in 2014 and 2015 (couldn't keep his mouth shut).. After that, they pretty much left him alone.  He had a season with 9 penalties, then nothing significant.

[CoudyBills]

4 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Heated, but I didn't see anything intentional. AJ might see a fine. I understand Refs have a tight knit fraternity but if I were a fellow ref I'd tell Hussey, Dude! Stop being such a Little B÷+€#!

I think the other ref did when he got in there.  

[Westside]

4 hours ago, Shake_My_Head said:

 

He looks like a prick.

[eSJayDee]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

This is a TBD myth, not fact.

 

He ran afoul of the refs in 2014 and 2015 (couldn't keep his mouth shut).. After that, they pretty much left him alone.  He had a season with 9 penalties, then nothing significant.

Yes, he didn't have many calls against him, but (now maybe this is a homer's or observational bias) it seemed like he was often a victim of, shall we say, lenient holding officiating.

[0017]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

This is a TBD myth, not fact.

 

He ran afoul of the refs in 2014 and 2015 (couldn't keep his mouth shut).. After that, they pretty much left him alone.  He had a season with 9 penalties, then nothing significant.

Not really, teams were allowed to hold him on almost every play in every game ever. Some players weren’t as good at holding so Jerry would get a sack from time to time. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, eSJayDee said:

Yes, he didn't have many calls against him, but (now maybe this is a homer's or observational bias) it seemed like he was often a victim of, shall we say, lenient holding officiating.

 

Just now, Dr. Football said:

Not really, teams were allowed to hold him on almost every play in every game ever. Some players weren’t as good at holding so Jerry would get a sack from time to time. 

I was responding to the OPs claim that Hughes was forever targeted.

 

anyway, as they say, holding happens on every play…but only by the other team…

[Rochesterfan]

5 hours ago, MPT said:

Hussey should be fired. His reaction to that bump was totally unhinged and definitely personal.

 

Agreed - the entire over-reaction was Hussey’s fault.  AJ had both arms around Shaq and was moving him away from the pile when Hussey comes up behind and shoves AJ away.  When he continued - AJ swung his Elbow and said something, but at that point he didn’t know it was a Ref and the Refs should not be pushing players - especially when they are helping to control a situation that the Refs failed to Control themselves.

 

Then to make it worse - Hussey goes after him and another official has to step in the way.

 

Bad look by the Zebra’s.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Rochesterfan

[BrainwashedBillsFan]

This is complete bs. AJ shoved the zebras arm slightly and the ref went bazerk cause AJ told him to go f himself. This is really gonna justify a game suspension? Gimme a break

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

5 hours ago, Buddo said:

Possibly. Looked to me that AJ was moving Shaq out of the way, when Hussey pushed him, AJ had his back to Hussey, and stuck his elbow back and caught Hussey, who then lost the plot.

 

No doubt the NFL will side with the zebra, but imho, common sense should prevail, and Epenesa shouldn't be unduly punished, especially as he was trying to keep Shaq away from getting into it.

 

Imho, Hussey was a complete idiot in his actions. You don't go shoving NFL players around who can't see you, and expect no reaction.

 

Good referees don't get involved in that way in the first place, especially when the guy you are shoving, is trying to defuse the situation.

He shoves him, and then he's wildly offended when he's bumped. Lol

[Livinginthepast]

This interaction is just bizarre. Does Epenesa know its Hussey that shoves him? I thought It might be a mistake and AJ thought it was a Steeler but what happens after the elbow when Epenesa makes no attempt to apologize or even cares he has hit a ref makes you think it was deliberate. Epenesa is a bit of a hot head, so its quite possible. But Hussey? His reaction is beyond unprofessional. He is the head referee and he oddly reacts like he wants to brawl with Epenesa. Ref is supposed to be the cool headed island of calm in this violent sport. Instead you have a guy who thinks he is officiating little league and he can shove people?

Edited October 10, 2022 by Livinginthepast

[Fixxxer]

7 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

This interaction is just bizarre. Does Epenesa know its Hussey that shoves him? I thought It might be a mistake and EJ thought it was a Steeler but what happens after the elbow when Epenesa makes no attempt to apologize or even cares he has hit a ref makes you think it was deliberate. Epenesa is a bit of a hot head, so its quite possible. But Hussey? His reaction is beyond unprofessional. He is the head referee and he oddly reacts like he wants to brawl with Epenesa. Ref is supposed to be the cool headed island of calm in this violent sport. Instead you have a guy who thinks he is officiating little league and he can shove people?

 

That's why I think it looks bad for him. He probably thought he hit a player initially but when realizes it's the ref he doesn't look apologetic, at all. Not smart. 

I'm sure McD isn't happy with AJ's reaction. 

 

[CEN-CAL17]

6 hours ago, Buddo said:

Possibly. Looked to me that AJ was moving Shaq out of the way, when Hussey pushed him, AJ had his back to Hussey, and stuck his elbow back and caught Hussey, who then lost the plot.

 

No doubt the NFL will side with the zebra, but imho, common sense should prevail, and Epenesa shouldn't be unduly punished, especially as he was trying to keep Shaq away from getting into it.

 

Imho, Hussey was a complete idiot in his actions. You don't go shoving NFL players around who can't see you, and expect no reaction.

 

Good referees don't get involved in that way in the first place, especially when the guy you are shoving, is trying to defuse the situation.

Watch the 3-4 plays leading up to the scuffle… AJ is pissed about being held or something. He talks to Hussey and gets mad. AJ blows him off and hand gestures to Hussey like “go away, you’re idiot multiple times”. Then the scuffle happens and Hussey I think targets AJ and shoved him with his back turned. 
 

I think Hussey wanted AJ to react… Hussey got exactly what he wanted!

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by CEN-CAL17

[CEN-CAL17]

Did nobody see AJ was mad at Hussey like 2-3 plays prior to the scuffle?  AJ gets mad at Hussey after being held, or something. Hussey says something back to AJ, AJ hand gestures back at Hussey like “shut up, go away, you’re idiot” multiple times…

 

Hussey targeted AJ I’m telling you. He shoved him cause he wanted to! 
 

Hussey should be fined big time!!!!

 

 

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by CEN-CAL17

[MPT]

2 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

Passive reaction to our OC losing it. It’s a bad example to set, now the players think it’s ok to become unhinged. 

 

Wtf are you talking about? Epenesa was breaking up a scuffle and accidentally bumped a referee who immediately went red-faced ape-*****. Who is the unhinged one?

1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said:

It’s a mental disease phenomenon known as the “Will Smith Effect”.  

 

Did you really just quote and reply to your own post to try and make it look less ridiculous? Because it didn't work.

[Richard Noggin]

That's effing weak from the ref. What an over-officious jerk.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Hussey acts like a real tough guy out there. I remember him from a few games last year, and thinking the same thing. I think he did the bills/chiefs playoff game. 

[0017]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I was responding to the OPs claim that Hughes was forever targeted.

 

anyway, as they say, holding happens on every play…but only by the other team…

Ya I hear you, I think I’m still holding onto some deep seated hatred towards the refs from the drought era games. 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

This is a TBD myth, not fact.

 

He ran afoul of the refs in 2014 and 2015 (couldn't keep his mouth shut).. After that, they pretty much left him alone.  He had a season with 9 penalties, then nothing significant.

 

It's not just a question of penalties called on Hughes.  I agree he cleaned up his act.

 

It was a question of penalties called FOR Hughes.

 

Hughes could have two offensive players with a chokehold on him making a horsecollar and the Zebras would be "I See Nothing"

[UConn James]

1 hour ago, Fixxxer said:

 

That's why I think it looks bad for him. He probably thought he hit a player initially but when realizes it's the ref he doesn't look apologetic, at all. Not smart. 

I'm sure McD isn't happy with AJ's reaction. 

 

 

The comment AJE made seems to be what set him off. And while Hussy is supposed to be impartial and the cooler head on the field… yes, McD is going to be none too pleased.

 

I read in a spot piece that now including this one, there have been 5 ejections in the league this year. Hussy has done two now, both in the last two weeks. Not a great look for him either, but the ref union closes ranks and holds grudges, which we saw firsthand with JH.

 

Would have been a wiser move for AJ to just apologize post-game.

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

This is a TBD myth, not fact.

 

He ran afoul of the refs in 2014 and 2015 (couldn't keep his mouth shut).. After that, they pretty much left him alone.  He had a season with 9 penalties, then nothing significant.

Then he never benefitted from a holding call again in his career.

 

Def not a myth. Dude is in the HOF of drawing flagrant holds never called

[JESSEFEFFER]

1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Watch the 3-4 plays leading up to the scuffle… AJ is pissed about being held or something. He talks to Hussey and gets mad. AJ blows him off and hand gestures to Hussey like “go away, you’re idiot multiple times”. Then the scuffle happens and Hussey I think targets AJ and shoved him with his back turned. 
 

I think Hussey wanted AJ to react… Hussey got exactly what he wanted!

 

 

 

 

 

Looked to me like AJ was hauled down by his facemask on an inside pass rush move.  The OL proceeded to fall on top him.  AJ was jawing with Hussey thereafter about the no call.  The back and forth was such that AJ probably did not like the man putting his hands on him as he was leaving the scrum.  You may be right about the ref getting after AJ with some intent to provoke a reaction.

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, Fixxxer said:

Bad look for AJ. Not only did he hit the ref, he looked defiant after the calle. Got to be smarter than that. 

 

Are you Teflon™T*m's agent?

[Dan Darragh]

9 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Fixed it for you. 

Anything with the letters NBA in it is unwatchable IMHO

[Shortchaz]

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's not just a question of penalties called on Hughes.  I agree he cleaned up his act.

 

It was a question of penalties called FOR Hughes.

 

Hughes could have two offensive players with a chokehold on him making a horsecollar and the Zebras would be "I See Nothing"

 

6 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Then he never benefitted from a holding call again in his career.

 

Def not a myth. Dude is in the HOF of drawing flagrant holds never called

see above

[Sherlock Holmes]

12 hours ago, Fixxxer said:

 

That's why I think it looks bad for him. He probably thought he hit a player initially but when realizes it's the ref he doesn't look apologetic, at all. Not smart. 

I'm sure McD isn't happy with AJ's reaction. 

 

If I were McD I would tell him next time to go off the top rope on his B word ass

[JDubya76]

There was one minute left in a blowout. If you’re going to pop off at a ref, that’s the time to do it.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by JDubya76

[f0neguy]

Has there been any update on this?  Suspension, fine, apology from the league?

[wppete]

No suspension? Will he play against the chiefs? 

[Doc]

No chance of a suspension. Fine probable because he touched a red and they need to make a statement. But he may be able to appeal. 

[Ayjent]

AJ was kicked by Pickett in the midsection coming off the pile.  No call.  That’s where it started getting heated.  You could argue it got heated when Hamlin hit Pickett, but things seemed to settle down a bit after. 
 

You can see AJ has all out attack mode the next couple plays and gets taken down wiith what should’ve been a penalty.  No call.

 

Lawson then hits Pickett low as he is throwing outside the pocket where things explode.  A penalty?  Not by rules but you can understand the reaction of the Steelers’ players protecting their guy.  AJ was actually helping to keep Lawson from picking up a penalty and further interaction.  Hussey came in and needlessly pushed AJ.  AJ shouldn’t have reacted the way he did but you can understand why.  I’m sure McD didn’t like any of it but there is plenty of blame to spread.  

 

The refs did very little to defuse what was clearly mounting in the meaningless minutes of a long decided game

  

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Ref threw a Hussey fit

[Doc]

5 hours ago, Ayjent said:

AJ was kicked by Pickett in the midsection coming off the pile.  No call.  That’s where it started getting heated.  You could argue it got heated when Hamlin hit Pickett, but things seemed to settle down a bit after. 
 

You can see AJ has all out attack mode the next couple plays and gets taken down wiith what should’ve been a penalty.  No call.

 

Lawson then hits Pickett low as he is throwing outside the pocket where things explode.  A penalty?  Not by rules but you can understand the reaction of the Steelers’ players protecting their guy.  AJ was actually helping to keep Lawson from picking up a penalty and further interaction.  Hussey came in and needlessly pushed AJ.  AJ shouldn’t have reacted the way he did but you can understand why.  I’m sure McD didn’t like any of it but there is plenty of blame to spread.  

 

The refs did very little to defuse what was clearly mounting in the meaningless minutes of a long decided game

 

Yeah.  I wouldn't be surprised if all AJ said to him was "do your (+/- f'ing) job!"

[wppete]

So no suspension?

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, wppete said:

So no suspension?

Forget suspension, is there even a fine?

[LABILLBACKER]

On 10/9/2022 at 8:58 PM, Beck Water said:

 

It's not just a question of penalties called on Hughes.  I agree he cleaned up his act.

 

It was a question of penalties called FOR Hughes.

 

Hughes could have two offensive players with a chokehold on him making a horsecollar and the Zebras would be "I See Nothing"

That's the definition of black balling. 

[frostbitmic]

I loved the Jerry Hughes penalty for unnecessary roughness for slapping a fellow Buffalo players helmet.