Oliver, Philips, Hyde all out against the Dolphins.

[Success]

We're the best team in the league. Miami is where we were at about 3 years ago, with a QB whose ceiling is a lot lower than Allen's.

 

On the road, sure they can win.  But I think this year's Bills team is a very different animal. I think they're going to embrace the challenge of having half the D out, and the backups will play at a very high level.

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

It's going to be amazing to poke fun at the Fish for losing to second stringers.

 

In all seriousness, if Poyer is out, I would be worried, but hopefully we can contain the WR's

[Simon]

44 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, he’s been amazing- I just left him off because he will likely be playing the 1T- if I’m the fins, I’d be doubling him over everyone else inside. 
 

 

It's looked to me like he'd actually been drawing quite a few doubles already in the first couple games so things might not change much for him.

I wonder if opposing coaches who are actually watching film are seeing him playing even better than we've been.

[Einstein]

26 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

A 285 pound man on a injured ankle, that’s what in the world…,  who by the way would be expected to push around one or two other 300 pound men for an hour, it’s not that complicated, they want him to be 100 percent before he sees the field again, it’s SOP for this coaching staff. 

 

These weren't the facts when they made him probable to return?

[Don Otreply]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

These weren't the facts when they made him probable to return?

They had no facts at that point, hence only probable to return, in which he did not return…, one would surmise that he had larger issues, not so complicated.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

They had no facts at that point, hence only probable to return, in which he did not return…, one would surmise that he had larger issues, not so complicated.

 

They didn't examine him and determine the facts before giving him a designation? Wouldnt that be against NFL rules? 

[Don Otreply]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

They didn't examine him and determine the facts before giving him a designation? Wouldnt that be against NFL rules? 

Really? Reach a little, see the bigger picture, at best the make a preliminary medical survey, hold him out for a series or two to further asses the players ability to re-enter the game, again they had no actual facts at that time, its not so complicated, come on Einstein…, 

 

Go  Bills!!!

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Man it’s going to be tough to stop those WRs without our 2 top corners and Hyde. Although I guess at some point, we are going to have to start saying Johnson is one of the top corners 

Easy...stop Tua

[Ross Murdock]

53 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

This is complete crap from a Dolphins fan.  What a stupid post. 

Bills fan since birth. Attended games with my dad at the Rockpile. Been to 200+ Bills games, including 3 SB games. Plus both Pats games, in crap weather last year. .You offer nothing but childish cheap shots. My point of if the Bills are true SB contenders, their backups need to step at times like these, or their not going to make it to the big game. Just a fact. Plus if Miami wins, with their much easier schedule, the Bills might be chasing them until they play again. Another realistic comment  ... My advice....  Grow up.     

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Ed Oliver went from "Probable to return" in game 1, to out in Game's 2 and 3.

 

What in the world!?

 

He did return in week 1. Played 2 snaps early 2nd half, could not push off the ankle at all and went out again. At the point he was downgraded to out. Ankle injuries for guys who need an explosive get off are no joke.

 

Personally I'd still be surprised if Gabe played for the same reason. If he does he will be on a limited pitch count.

 

We have had good injury fortune the past couple of years, the start of this year has been rough. From the setback with Tre onward. We could end up down 7 major contributors on defense for Sunday.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

Bills fan since birth. Attended games with my dad at the Rockpile. Been to 200+ Bills games, including 3 SB games. Plus both Pats games, in crap weather last year. .You offer nothing but childish cheap shots. My point of if the Bills are true SB contenders, their backups need to step at times like these, or their not going to make it to the big game. Just a fact. Plus if Miami wins, with their much easier schedule, the Bills might be chasing them until they play again. Another realistic comment  ... My advice....  Grow up.     

 

The Dolpins schedule is exactly the same as the Bills schedule save for 3 position dictated opponents from the AFC West, AFC South and NFC West. 

 

The Bills have already played two of their differential games and are 2-0. The remaining difference is Bills @ KC and Dolphins @ Chargers. I'd suggest similar degrees of difficulty.

 

So no, that isn't "another realistic comment" it is nonsense. 

 

The Dolphins are a good team. They will be a challenge for the Bills with our injuries. But they do not have a schedule advantage and they are 1-7 in their last 8 meetings with Buffalo. Even a split this year still gives them ground to make up.

[Playoffs?]

24 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

Bills fan since birth. Attended games with my dad at the Rockpile. Been to 200+ Bills games, including 3 SB games. Plus both Pats games, in crap weather last year. .You offer nothing but childish cheap shots. My point of if the Bills are true SB contenders, their backups need to step at times like these, or their not going to make it to the big game. Just a fact. Plus if Miami wins, with their much easier schedule, the Bills might be chasing them until they play again. Another realistic comment  ... My advice....  Grow up.     

Then please accept my most sincere apologies. There seem to be a few people lately that are Phins fans posing as Bills fans.  Maybe I saw a few posts of yours that I perceived as questionable and lumped you in that category. Again, my apologies for taking the low road. 
 

I understand your point that backups need to step up… but this really is a lot of backups at once. I don’t totally agree that the Bills need to win this game to maintain relevance. Trying to keep things in perspective that we’re in week 3 of 17. So much can happen. Even if the dolphins win this game, I believe we are still the better team, now, and for the rest of the season.  There will be a ton of media talk, and dolphins fans would be talking a lot of crap… but I think come the second half of the season, the cream will rise to the top.
 

That said, I’m definitely concerned about  the injuries we have. It’s probably the most significant injury list I can ever remember seeing in terms of starters.  Would hate to have injuries derail this team, because it truly is a special team.  To me, almost seems like more pressure on Miami to win given the situation. But if Buffalo can pull it off (and this is very realistic!) what a statement win it would be.  If not, we’ll get healthy and will be back to destroying teams again in no time.  Bottom line, long term I think we’re money, win or lose on Sunday. 
 

Enjoy the game my friend  - I’ll be in Miami cheering loudly.

[Tanoros]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

They didn't examine him and determine the facts before giving him a designation? Wouldnt that be against NFL rules? 

When hurting a body part, evaluating the following day is a part of the process. Things can change overnight, like swelling. 
 

Your making something so simple very complicated. It’s the first game of the season, Ed’s fired up and probably said he could a still play if they needed him, but he is kept out. After evaluating the next day, the severity of the injury is determined to be such, that multiple weeks are needed to fully heal. 

[billybrew1]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah so basically the same crew that hung 41 on the Titans plus Davis

Should point out that the fish probably have a better defense at this time though I don’t think it is going to matter….

 

As far as our defense goes Brandon Bryant and CJ Brewer are pretty good and hopefully that’s the last injury to the secondary for now….

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah so basically the same crew that hung 41 on the Titans plus Davis

To be fair,  the Titans offense was terrible and never kicked in gear after their 1st matching TD. 

Tua/Tyreek/Jalen are firing on all cylinders...plus they have Gelsiki at TE and Mostert/Chase in the backfield...that is a pretty good offense that could match against our offense due to our depleted defense.

[wppete]

Josh needs to score 50 points.

[Dopey]

All of these injuries and we’re still stuck with Edmunds. I heard he sucks. 

[Royale with Cheese]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Huge divisional game.  I don’t like playing it safe here. This is a must win. 

Its a must win for the fan pysche on this board.  The schedule, there’s still 14 games left.

[BigDingus]

Amusing how Dolphins fans online are posting "Look, Bills fans already making excuses!" under these injury articles...

 

As if these players being out doesn't have a significant impact on the game? I'm sure if Tyreek Hill & Jalen Waddle were ruled out, they'd never even mention it right? 🙄

[Awwufelloff]

Just now, BigDingus said:

Amusing how Dolphins fans online are posting "Look, Bills fans already making excuses!" under these injury articles...

 

As if these players being out doesn't have a significant impact on the game? I'm sure if Tyreek Hill & Jalen Waddle were ruled out, they'd never even mention it right? 🙄

If even one of those guys are out we win 100% despite our injuries lol 

[ArtVandalay]

This is where Von takes over a game on defense 

[Toyo321]

6 hours ago, Ross Murdock said:

Next man up. McBean seemed satisfied with the CB situation when they didn't sign Poyer long term. I remember the Bucs, Chiefs, Eagles winning recent SB's with critical injuries to key players. If the Bills are good, then their secondary players need to be good as well. Bills should win. If they don't, they'll be chasing Miami the next few months. Not a good look for a consensus SB favorite. Bills must win to maintain credibility. I believe they will. If not, the Dolphins are better at this juncture... Period.       

When you have such important players on the sidelined with the talent of Gabe, Oliver, Micah, Phillips, & Jackson,   that is a real tough obstacle to overcome.   No matter who you play.  I just hope that the our rookie CB's truly play out of their minds this weekend with some attitude, play smart and don't take any crap from Hill and Waddle.  If our D plays like they did in the first two games,  then Josh and the O will put this game away for us.  The D front line has to swab the deck with TUA in this game.  I want see Tua and his sorry ass running for his life in this game,  and hope Von goes wild this sunday.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Toyo321

[Westside]

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

If even one of those guys are out we win 100% despite our injuries lol 

I think we may be giving the dolphins to much respect. For the first one and three quarters they played so far they look like crap. If it wasn’t for a total meltdown by the Ravens they would have lost. I’m still picking them to win by at least two touchdowns by the end. 

[Neo]

6 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah so basically the same crew that hung 41 on the Titans plus Davis

In 41 minutes …

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

Should point out that the fish probably have a better defense at this time though I don’t think it is going to matter….

 

As far as our defense goes Brandon Bryant and CJ Brewer are pretty good and hopefully that’s the last injury to the secondary for now….

Miami has the 25th ranked pass defense after playing the Patriots and Ravens

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, BillyBilliams said:

So instead of winning 41-17, it will be 41-27.  No big deal.  Vegas line moved from -5.5 to -5.  If Vegas isn’t worried, neither should you

 

I wonder what odds were for Minnesota Vikings defeat by Josh Allen on his first away game start.

Sometimes odds makers are as prophetic as PFF.

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

6 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Soooo with both Oliver and Phillips out who is going to play the 3-technique? 

Hopefully a timeshare of Settle, Rousseau, and Basham?

 

More likely is Jones, Bryant, and/or Brewer rotating through that alignment. Admittedly, I don't know squat about where Bryant and Brewer fit best. Settle seems like a guy who can play the 3-tech when he's healthy. Jones seems like a guy who can play anywhere on the line, given his early impact this season. I remember Bryant flashing in preseason. He played a TON. 

[BillyBilliams]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

I wonder what odds were for Minnesota Vikings defeat by Josh Allen on his first away game start.

Sometimes odds makers are as prophetic as PFF.

 

 

So you’re hanging on that one time Vegas got it wrong, out of the 99.9% they get it right?  There is a reason why Vegas is rich and we aren’t.  Beyond what that dude said earlier, they 100% use advanced math and scientific algorithms to get the lines and O/U’s

[AlfaBill]

All off season, pre season and even after the 1st game, there was a lot of talk about the condition team and sports science team being great. That’s why the Bills had the least number of missed games over the last 3-4 seasons. So much for that!

[freddyjj]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Miami has the 25th ranked pass defense after playing the Patriots and Ravens

And Fins only scored one offensive TD vs Patriots, who are a top 5 D like the Bills.   

[Thurman#1]

15 hours ago, Ross Murdock said:

Next man up. McBean seemed satisfied with the CB situation when they didn't sign Poyer long term. I remember the Bucs, Chiefs, Eagles winning recent SB's with critical injuries to key players. If the Bills are good, then their secondary players need to be good as well. Bills should win. If they don't, they'll be chasing Miami the next few months. Not a good look for a consensus SB favorite. Bills must win to maintain credibility. I believe they will. If not, the Dolphins are better at this juncture... Period.       

 

 

Nah.

 

Winning doesn't necessarily mean you're a better team. It just doesn't.

 

Were the Bills worse than the Jags last year? No. Were they worse on the day? Yup, there's no arguing that, but they were a much much better team. The Fins will have to show much more over time to be considered a better team, even if they win.

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, BillyBilliams said:

So you’re hanging on that one time Vegas got it wrong, out of the 99.9% they get it right?  There is a reason why Vegas is rich and we aren’t.  Beyond what that dude said earlier, they 100% use advanced math and scientific algorithms to get the lines and O/U’s

 

 

Yes, they're very smart.

 

No, they don't give a crap about who wins or loses and are not especially good at picking that. What they're really good at picking and predicting is how their bettors will bet.

 

They don't get anywhere near 99.9% right on who will win.

[Ta111]

27 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yes, they're very smart.

 

No, they don't give a crap about who wins or loses and are not especially good at picking that. What they're really good at picking and predicting is how their bettors will bet.

 

They don't get anywhere near 99.9% right on who will win.

Historically favorites in the NFL win outright approx 67% of the time and teams with +5 or more around 75% of the time. Take it for what it’s worth.

[frostbitmic]

We won't have any healthy inactives this week.

[Playoffs?]

Need to hear that Poyer, Settle, Gabe, Morse and Knox are ALL PLAYING… please someone, tell me!!!!

[chris heff]

17 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

But who is playing the halftime show at the Super Bowl? 

Wilmer Alexander and the Dukes.

[T master]

On 9/23/2022 at 3:53 PM, Spiderweb said:

Just heard... Dang.....

Out

S Micah Hyde (neck)

CB Dane Jackson (neck)

DT Ed Oliver (ankle)

DT Jordan Phillips (hamstring)

Questionable

WR Gabe Davis (ankle)

TE Dawson Knox (foot)

DT Tim Settle (calf)

OL Mitch Morse (elbow)

S Jordan Poyer (foot)

 

Poyer 

Phillips

Hyde

Oliver 

are all out which will give the Fins a better chance but i think our offense will still dominate but the rookies & the back ups need to man up it should be a good game  .

Edited September 25, 2022 by T master

[Playoffs?]

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

Power 

Phillips

Hyde

Oliver 

are all out which will give the Fins a better chance but i think our offense will still dominate but the rookies & the back ups need to man up it should be a good game  .

Poyer is out now?

[Clyde Smith]

32 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Poyer is out now?

I think he meant Oliver.

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Poyer is out now?

 

Game time decision. He, Settle and Gabe.