Wayne Arnold Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Shout out to the Pegulas. It pains me to ever compliment billionaires because they are dregs on society but it's certainly refreshing that we have an owner who is willing to allow his General Manager to spend as much as he's possibly able to within the rules without micromanaging. Bills fans don't mention this enough. Paying players while Ralph Wilson was owner was like pulling teeth. 2 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Now, if ONLY Beane would work on solidifying weapons for Josh Allen... 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Einstein said: I'm not a big fan of giving players contracts that are nearly half a decade long and at top money, for the possibility that the new OC that has never called plays before might incorporate that player more. You don't appear to be a fan of much on these boards so at least you're consistent. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Einstein Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just now, Magox said: So basically right in line with Tyreek Hills $ amount per reception. Yeah that was a bad deal too. Especially given their QB. 1 minute ago, ExWNYer said: You don't appear to be a fan of much on these boards so at least you're consistent. Just talking Bills football. Not really sure what you mean by the boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: The tweet mentions that the deal is expected to put him in the top 5 of TE's. We know what the top 5 makes. Based on what? - 18th in TE receptions - 15th in TE yards - 22nd in TE yards per reception Only stat he is one of the best is tight end TD's. A) I watch the football games, and….. B) Points matter. A LOT! We have weapons ahead of him, but he’s going to be an important piece of the puzzle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Not a player I would have committed to. I still think its him or Gabe. Looks like Buffalo valued Knox more. We shall see, but my guess, he never lives up to contract. Knox makes a lot of sense to me. I think the model McBeane are following is to have a half-dozen, solid leaders. They change of course, but it's a half dozen solid veterans. Look at the captains. Josh, Diggs, Hyde, Miller, Morse, Edmunds, and Poyer. Miller replace Hughes, who was a leader last year but on the bubble. Edmunds and Poyer are on the bubble this year. Oliver needs to prove he can make it up to that level. White certainly will be on that list when he returns. Below those guys, you want a lot of solid guys in mid-career, guys who will be serious contributors but who may very well get replaced after their second contract. That's probably Poyer. And it's also probably Knox. He's very good and probably will get better over the next year or two, but he may never grow into a senior leadership position. If he becomes Kelce, okay, he becomes a captain and he stays. Otherwise, he's in Buffalo as a big contributor, and in the next couple of seasons the Bills begin looking for his replacement, just like they've been grooming Johnson as Poyer's replacement. In the meantime, he's a solid contributor to the Bills success, so they pay him nicely. The third tier of guys are on their rookie deals or one- or two-year vet deals. They like being on the team because they can be on a winner, and the young guys know that they can work their way into tier two. And they know they can work their way all the way to tier one, the captains. A guy like Benford knows today that the path is open for him to be in the new generation of leaders .behind White and Hyde. And it's not really about whether Knox is actually a top-five tight end. Maybe he's only top-10. Maybe the Bills had to overpay in a small sense. The Bills don't mind - it's absolutely essential to McBeane that they have top-tier veteran leadership (Allen, Diggs, Morse, Miller, Hyde, White) and that they have a half-dozen or more second-tier guys, like Knox, Taron Johnson, etc. So, for example, Bills may have overpaid for Star, and it didn't work out. They may have overpaid for Morse, and it did. You can't hit on every one, but I think that's the model. Knox fits perfectly in their second tier. 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Good news for the Silver Bullets (my fantasy team) Named after the women's baseball team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Tom Sweeney tries really hard but all the money is gone now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Very reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s a really fair deal at $13.4MM per year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: EXCELLENT!!! Will wait to see numbers before commenting further. Ha ha you're not giving a speech to Parliament bro, it's a post on a fan website. 😉 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Nice, I'm glad we extended him. Now we got to look at keeping Oliver & Davis. Edmunds will be an interesting call. Not sure there's enough $ to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Knox is good and getting better, but still has significant weaknesses and is not near the difference maker of Kelce/Andrews/Pitts etc. I just don't see the value there for the Bills. FWIW, 2021 Top 15 TE Rankings per Football Outsiders: Knox is 8th DYAR means a tight end with more total value DVOA means a tight end with more value per play Effective Yards (EYds) translate DVOA into a yards per attempt figure Edited September 7, 2022 by billsfan1959 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: 🤦♂️He’s ALREADY a Top 5 TE! Jesus!😡 Yes, you are the ONLY one. Congrats. I didn't think a deal was going to be made this season. Looking into the TE market it's probably good that Beane got it done now. Both Mike Gesicki and Dalton Schultz are playing on tags and TJ Hockenson and Noah Fant were drafted with Knox and have contracts coming up. Knox's contract will drop out of top 5 and be close to bottom of top 10 real soon. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 It’s basically the exact same deal the Patriots gave to Jonnu Smith. Obviously, Knox is better and home-grown. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Excellent. He's a team leader and one of Josh's trusted guys. There is much to discuss regarding who will get the short end of the stick after this. I wonder if this means that Edmunds is not going to be resigned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Augie said: And will buy a very nice house in OP, which he apparently purchased one back in December. That tells me he knew what to expect, and the FO came thru as promised. Love that! That's an interesting point, that the level of trust between player and management is such that both sides knew in December that Knox would be back, and that it was just a matter of time before the deal got done. That means his agent told Beane back then what the ball park would be, and Beane told Knox that they'd be in that ball park. That's a very solid way to run an organization. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Shout out to the Pegulas. It pains me to ever compliment billionaires because they are dregs on society but it's certainly refreshing that we have an owner who is willing to allow his General Manager to spend as much as he's possibly able to within the rules without micromanaging. Bills fans don't mention this enough. Paying players while Ralph Wilson was owner was like pulling teeth. Seriously? Think of all the good billionaires have done throughout our history. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 So...One less thing to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Einstein said: The tweet mentions that the deal is expected to put him in the top 5 of TE's. We know what the top 5 makes. Based on what? - 18th in TE receptions - 15th in TE yards - 22nd in TE yards per reception Only stat he is one of the best is tight end TD's. "the only stat" 😂 Like that one matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) Lost in the, "Now Poyer/Edmunds/Oliver" can't sign talk is how much cap space Beane can clear by restructuring contracts. It's one of the things he does really well and so far hasn't had to do a lot of. It sounds like a lot of money for Knox but he's in his prime and still has room to grow. Edited September 7, 2022 by elroy16 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just now, What a Tuel said: "the only stat" 😂 Like that one matters. Of course it matters. I listed it for a reason. So you're paying top 5 money for an endzone specialist? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtnatefootball11 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: 🤦♂️He’s ALREADY a Top 5 TE! Jesus!😡 Yes, you are the ONLY one. Congrats. Oh you got me good man 😂. If you looked, at the time I was typing that post, literally every single comment before was glowingly positive of the extension. I was obviously referring to the board at that time, not the general population. Knox is not, by any standard, a top 5 TE. That is a delusional take colored by red and blue lens. Don't get me wrong, we all wear em, but take them off for second. He is due for a touchdown regression and by any other measure (especially when you account for blocking) he is not an elite player. Hope he takes some big steps forward and becomes an elite all around TE, but that's a reach to say currently. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Einstein said: The tweet mentions that the deal is expected to put him in the top 5 of TE's. We know what the top 5 makes. Based on what? - 18th in TE receptions - 15th in TE yards - 22nd in TE yards per reception Only stat he is one of the best is tight end TD's. How about blocking? Huge part of the tight end game. tight ends are the hardest to find. They literally do everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, elroy16 said: Lost in the, "Now Poyer/Edmunds/Oliver" can't sign talk is how much cap space Beane can clear by restructuring contracts. It's one of the things he does really well and so far hasn't had to do a lot of. Exactly. I figured Allen gets restructured next offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I bet Poyer is thrilled to hear about this. Not that the BIlls are doing anything wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Edmunds right now 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Einstein said: The tweet mentions that the deal is expected to put him in the top 5 of TE's. We know what the top 5 makes. Based on what? - 18th in TE receptions - 15th in TE yards - 22nd in TE yards per reception Only stat he is one of the best is tight end TD's. Lots of people here only care about "led the league in TD's". He is still ascending though, similar to Njoku, who would you rather have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: So...One less thing to worry about. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FLFan Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 43 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I hope that is true While you are hoping you should hope for a replacement to magically appear who is nearly as good, because he is not on the roster now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 The extension should allow Mr. Knox to buy a famous relative to bandy about, just like Nick O'Leary was always doing with his Uncle Jack Nicholson! * 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Dang I go away for an hour and my boy Dawson gets INKED. WOOOOOOOOOT!~!~!~!~!!!!! Do I like it................. nah I LOVE IT!~!~!~!~!!!! Rawr. :-))))))) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: Of course it matters. I listed it for a reason. So you're paying top 5 money for an endzone specialist? For a TD specialist with big upside who has the leagues best QB as his agent ? Yes I’m paying too 5 money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: Wayne, no lie...you absolutely knew that is what I was thinking about. Pictured it in my head. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, elroy16 said: Lost in the, "Now Poyer/Edmunds/Oliver" can't sign talk is how much cap space Beane can clear by restructuring contracts. It's one of the things he does really well and so far hasn't had to do a lot of. It sounds like a lot of money for Knox but he's in his prime and still has room to grow. Just because he can clear cap space, doesn’t mean everyone will be re-signed/extended. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Oh you got me good man 😂. If you looked, at the time I was typing that post, literally every single comment before was glowingly positive of the extension. I was obviously referring to the board at that time, not the general population. Knox is not, by any standard, a top 5 TE. That is a delusional take colored by red and blue lens. Don't get me wrong, we all wear em, but take them off for second. He is due for a touchdown regression and by any other measure (especially when you account for blocking) he is not an elite player. Hope he takes some big steps forward and becomes an elite all around TE, but that's a reach to say currently. hes super low in targets. If those go up he would be top 5 (20th in target number). Also did you say Kelce is a better blocker up thread? If thats your thoughts then I dont think you have credibility. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Oh you got me good man 😂. If you looked, at the time I was typing that post, literally every single comment before was glowingly positive of the extension. I was obviously referring to the board at that time, not the general population. Knox is not, by any standard, a top 5 TE. That is a delusional take colored by red and blue lens. Don't get me wrong, we all wear em, but take them off for second. He is due for a touchdown regression and by any other measure (especially when you account for blocking) he is not an elite player. Hope he takes some big steps forward and becomes an elite all around TE, but that's a reach to say currently. Gesicki, Schultz, Hockenson and Fant are all going to jump his contract next year. I think it's good Beane got it done now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Just now, Einstein said: Of course it matters. I listed it for a reason. So you're paying top 5 money for an endzone specialist? It was kind of a side note in your post as if it didn't. Also it won't be top 5 money for long as the other tight ends get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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