MJS Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I think Beane said they would actually be a bit over the cap to start the season (contrary to what the cap websites have been claiming), so this is to get under the cap and to get a little spending room for the season. I do not expect them to sign anyone of note after this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I agree, I think Oliver is priority one to re-sign and it actually makes economical sense to Franchise Tag Knox next year. Yep. #1 Oliver #2 will likely be Davis after the year he is about to have Tag Knox, pitch it as a 5th year option, and I think he will trust in the Bills enough to know a long term deal is coming. If they can work out a long term deal in the tag window, then even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said: Making $$ room for an addition via trade? there should be thread about that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said: Making $$ room for an addition via trade? Or sign Beckham.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: It is about what a team needs moving from Rule of 51 to full roster, including practice squad and minimum contingency. The other option is to trim salary by releasing one or more vets with at least decent sized contracts. That’s not really an option for the Bills this season. SO what counts against the salary cap ? I thought active roster only or IR, not PUP Do practive squads count against the cap ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: SO what counts against the salary cap ? I thought active roster only or IR, not PUP Do practive squads count against the cap ? It literally depends on what day you are asking, lol. Ultimately, yes. They all count once the season starts. IR, Suspended, Practice Squad... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Tag number is under $11M. Kelce, Kittle, etc all top out at $15M. What is surging? IMO, use the tag as the equivalent of a 5th year option and see where the cap goes with the Amazon and Apple money coming in. Goeddert is making $14 mill per. Njoku $13.7 mill Schultz $11 mill Engram $9 mill Henry and Jonnu about $13 mill each Dissly $8 mill per If Knox continues to emerge and say catches 60 for 880 yards and 9 TDs - what do his offers look like? I'd say easily $14 mill per. Could probably lock him up at 9 or 10 right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 If they sign OBJ I can see Beane making it a 2 year deal backloaded with a larger signing bonus making it a small cap hit this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Goeddert is making $14 mill per. Njoku $13.7 mill Schultz $11 mill Engram $9 mill Henry and Jonnu about $13 mill each Dissly $8 mill per If Knox continues to emerge and say catches 60 for 880 yards and 9 TDs - what do his offers look like? I'd say easily $14 mill per. Could probably lock him up at 9 or 10 right now. I think Knox will be friendly, but not that friendly. My guess is, if we wanted something done NOW, it would be like 5/$60M, $25M guaranteed. But if he has a big year in our Super Bowl run this season, I could see him trending towards $15M. That's where I'd tag him and see where the cap goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunvald's Husse Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Or sign Beckham.... Which one? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: If they sign OBJ I can see Beane making it a 2 year deal backloaded with a larger signing bonus making it a small cap hit this season Next year is already gonna be tough with Josh's big numbers kicking in, I doubt we kick too much can down the road (everyone does it a little.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Mega extension on the works for Blackshear 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ddaryl said: SO what counts against the salary cap ? I thought active roster only or IR, not PUP Do practive squads count against the cap ? Yes, practice squads count against the cap. Active roster, IR, PUP and dead money also count. Suspended players do not count for the games they are suspended for however. In a nutshell: If money is paid to a player then it will count against the cap sooner or later, depending on structure. There are a few exceptions that have to do with small discounts on veteran players and bonuses and whether or not they are likely to be earned. But those are small numbers. Edited to add: Fines do not come off of the cap. So the Browns will NOT gain $5M in cap space from Watson’s fine. Edited August 25, 2022 by BarleyNY 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Goeddert is making $14 mill per. Njoku $13.7 mill Schultz $11 mill Engram $9 mill Henry and Jonnu about $13 mill each Dissly $8 mill per If Knox continues to emerge and say catches 60 for 880 yards and 9 TDs - what do his offers look like? I'd say easily $14 mill per. Could probably lock him up at 9 or 10 right now. Should we maybe see Knox get 600 yards in a season before we plan on him getting almost 900 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 41 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Edmonds is a gunner after this season. Then he is guaranteed to make the roster. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, ddaryl said: SO what counts against the salary cap ? I thought active roster only or IR, not PUP Do practive squads count against the cap ? Right now it is the top 51 salaries plus dead cap. On cutdown day to 53 - it becomes all active 53, PS, IR, PUP, and deadcap (old and new). The only thing that does not count is Andre Smith as he moves to suspension, but you have to have the space for him set aside after week 6 to activate him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: I think Beane said he wanted more regular season cushion but who knows. 🤷♂️ Maybe in case they do need to sign someone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Are we allowed to compliment Beane on this one? Just checking since on the Cody Ford thread, many were saying Beane ***** it up because we “only got a 5th rounder for a guy who once upon a time was a 2nd rounder.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I'm with the bring on OBJ crowd. 5 wide: Diggs, Davis, OBJ, McKittrick, Tupac. FUHGEDDABOTIT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Maybe in case they do need to sign someone. Yeah, we have a long 20-game season ahead of us. Going in with no cap space to add players is asking for a bad time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: I'm with the bring on OBJ crowd. 5 wide: Diggs, Davis, OBJ, McKittrick, Tupac. FUHGEDDABOTIT!!! Not to mention he's elite insurance down the stretch if one of your top 2 goes down. And yes no team has the DB's to cover. McKenzie would be open literally every play I would really like for us to sign him now. If we wait, a surprise team like KC could throw $ at him Edited August 25, 2022 by Warriorspikes51 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: They already saved 1.5 mllion by trading ford and would save another 2.5 mllion by cutting Tyler Matakevich, add the Dawkins savings and that is close to 10 mllion in cap space. Extending Poyer could net them another 2-3 in cap space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Only move I see Beane maybe doing here with the extra cushion is maybe something with Poyer, otherwise I think he sits on the cap space for the time being as a cushion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Restructure Tre Extend Poyer Sign OBJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Beane is making room for something. Makes you wonder what he's got up his sleeve 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Only move I see Beane maybe doing here with the extra cushion is maybe something with Poyer, otherwise I think he sits on the cap space for the time being as a cushion. I agree and you're more than likely correct it's just for Poyer and nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Only move I see Beane maybe doing here with the extra cushion is maybe something with Poyer, otherwise I think he sits on the cap space for the time being as a cushion. I think that's consistent with what Beane has said. A question people need to clarify is: What elements of team payroll must be "under the cap" once the top-51 rule applies? My understanding is that the cap must cover: -salaries on the 53 man roster -salaries of players who are on IR or PUP -dead cap caused by cutting players who had guaranteed money or amortized signing bonuses -the practice squad **** I welcome anyone who can definitively disprove that last. As evidence for, I present this article from the Ravens blog resident capologist, Brian McFarland (who generally seems to know his stuff). Quote Do all player count against their team’s Salary Cap? Yes, once the season has started, all players – whether on the 53-man roster, Injured Reserve (IR), Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) or the Practice Squad (PS) – count against the team’s Salary Cap. The only players that do not count against the Salary Cap are players who are on one of the NFL’s exempt lists. The salary cap impact of the 16 player practice squad is difficult to assess exactly, because it can include 6 veteran players with any number of years in the league and the weekly salary is $11,500; $15,400 or up to $19,900 per week (that's $195,500 to $338,300 per season). So PS costs between $3.12 and $5.4M, depending upon what players are on it. We know it will include promising rookies as well as some vets, so average and call it $4.3M If anyone wants to try their hand at the Bills Capology, https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/buffalo-bills/ x off the players you believe THE BILLS will cut (not the ones you want them to cut). Leave on players who are probable IRs, like Marquez Stevenson. My try at this exercise indicates that the Bills have about $7.9M in cap space after restructuring Dawkins and cutting a bunch of players. $7.9M in cap space less an estimated $4.3M for the PS salaries, gives $3.6m of cap, which is about the amount Beane likes to take into the season for possible injury replacement signings. ****I think people get confused by the difference between the teams being under a "top-51 cap" rule all preseason, but then that rule expires at midnight the day the regular season starts. They translate in their minds to "now it's a 53 man roster rule". But it's not just a 53 man roster rule, it also includes players on IR and PUP and dead cap and yes, practice squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 beano gonna take care of some internals: 1. upcoming 27 cuts will eat a little more cap space - good thing we dont cut many picks as the late-rounders have modest dead cap space... 2. PS cap space plus budget for in-season unknowns - injuries, vet depth signing, trade deadline move, etc 3. maybe....one vet contract maintenance ??? its gotta work for the Bills now more than before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Process said: I think it's very clear the bills are comfortable with what they have at CB and are ready to roll with the young guys. There will be growing pains but I'm looking forward to see how they do. People have been saying bring in a vet CB all off-season. It's not happening. They shouldn't be. They aren't trying to just make the playoffs like the past. You can't have any holes on your team if you want to win a Super Bowl. We had a major hole at CB last year and we all know how that turned out at the most crucial point of the biggest game. Kelce said "they aren't even covering me" and Mahomes just threw it to him. It wasn't even a called play. Embarrassing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: But it does seem to be a pretty large cushion. Definitely a larger season cushion than normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: They shouldn't be. They aren't trying to just make the playoffs like the past. You can't have any holes on your team if you want to win a Super Bowl. We had a major hole at CB last year and we all know how that turned out at the most crucial point of the biggest game. Kelce said "they aren't even covering me" and Mahomes just threw it to him. It wasn't even a called play. Embarrassing You don't win the Superbowl in September. Tre White should be back by week 5. We will be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: They shouldn't be. They aren't trying to just make the playoffs like the past. You can't have any holes on your team if you want to win a Super Bowl. We had a major hole at CB last year and we all know how that turned out at the most crucial point of the biggest game. Kelce said "they aren't even covering me" and Mahomes just threw it to him. It wasn't even a called play. Embarrassing Without looking it up, who was the Rams #2CB last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: They shouldn't be. They aren't trying to just make the playoffs like the past. You can't have any holes on your team if you want to win a Super Bowl. We had a major hole at CB last year and we all know how that turned out at the most crucial point of the biggest game. Kelce said "they aren't even covering me" and Mahomes just threw it to him. It wasn't even a called play. Embarrassing Honestly, how did we not jam/hold him at the line. 5 yards who cares game clock ticks down only time for 1 more play. Knowing Buffalo it would have been a Mahomes hailmary walk off win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I'm not too proud to take a victory lap on the Dawkins restructure. I said he was the guy in a couple of threads. Anyone who visits Spotrac could see his contact screamed for a restructure more than any other player. I'll put the lampshade back on now. IMO what happens going forward is after the dust settles (Beane is the only one who knows exactly what that means) he will have enough money for small moves and injury replacements with just enough cash left to sign OBJ if the need comes around November. Besides Josh, the biggest injury risk would be to the WRs. OBJ will be available at the perfect time if it's needed! Facing a lot of tough money decisions next season, if there is an extra few million to carry over, it will not be a bad thing IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: They shouldn't be. They aren't trying to just make the playoffs like the past. You can't have any holes on your team if you want to win a Super Bowl. We had a major hole at CB last year and we all know how that turned out at the most crucial point of the biggest game. Kelce said "they aren't even covering me" and Mahomes just threw it to him. It wasn't even a called play. Embarrassing 53 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Honestly, how did we not jam/hold him at the line. 5 yards who cares game clock ticks down only time for 1 more play. Knowing Buffalo it would have been a Mahomes hailmary walk off win 100% a coaching breakdown that would have played out the same with 11 All-pros on the field. When the DC calls a prevent/umbrella defense with Safeties 30 yds downfield, it doesnt matter who is at CB if the assignment says "dont cover the TE". We were scared of Hill taking another one to the house, and coached/played scared. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 With likely cuts to get to 53, we'll be roughly 8.5 to 10 million under the cap for this season. That's a huge cushion to take on a pretty good year 1 cap hit for an extension. My money though would be on a Knox extension. They can give him more money up front and raise his cap hit this year which can make his deal alot more team favorable in the long run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) Something is definitely coming. They went into last year with about $4 million after restructuring Poyer right before the season. I’ve always felt $5 million was the key number to be at entering the season. They were already there. They’re definitely about to spend some cap space. This isn’t a rainy day fund. I’m predicting they’re going to split this extra cap between Poyer and Hyde. Edited August 25, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said: do you think there might be a reason Haden has remained available all summer? I'm sure there may be. At this point it would be better to sign a veteran after week 1 so the salary is not guaranteed for the whole year. I believe it still works that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: They already saved 1.5 mllion by trading ford and would save another 2.5 mllion by cutting Tyler Matakevich, add the Dawkins savings and that is close to 10 mllion in cap space. Extending Poyer could net them another 2-3 in cap space They are not cutting Matakevich. They had opprotunity to release him earlier and they kept him inactive as they did other starters. 5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I'm sure there may be. At this point it would be better to sign a veteran after week 1 so the salary is not guaranteed for the whole year. I believe it still works that way. Yes contracts for vested veternas are only guarenteed post week 1 UNLESS contract has clause which guarentees it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Agree with others 1. Extend Poyer 2. Sign Knox 3. Tag Oliver next year 4. If Edmunds plays well, cut Milano and sign Edmunds to a long term deal 5. If Edmunds doesn't play better and wants a top 5 deal, then let him walk and draft his replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 6 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Is $6M really a lot in today's NFL? That might get you one replacement starter if we lose someone to injury. I'd say no not with the money they are throwing around that is a 3 year contract for a RB which they consider a dime a dozen . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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