Judge Sue Robinson recommends 6 game suspension for Watson; NFL will appeal

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

 

I think it's pretty easy to argue that Watson sitting out last year was a de facto suspension. If Watson had never received a massage or if these allegations never surfaced what are the odds he would've played last year? I'm putting it at 100% (it might not have been in Houston, but it would've been easy to trade him). An established franchise QB sitting out for an entire season would have been unprecedented. 

 

Sexual harassment = / = sexual assault

 

Both are scummy (not to mention illegal), but assault is more serious than harassment. What Snyder did is not a great comparison. Kraft and his 100% consensual rub and tug are not a great comparison either. 

As to your first statement: Watson was eligible to play last year and collected his full paycheck. So no, it is NOT "easy to argue" that last year was a de facto suspension.

As to your statement regarding sexual assault:

Watson has been accused of ejaculating on women without their consent, and of forced oral penetration. Both are considered sexual assault. 

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

This is truly terrible 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

As to your first statement: Watson was eligible to play last year and collected his full paycheck. So no, it is NOT "easy to argue" that last year was a de facto suspension.

As to your statement regarding sexual assault:

Watson has been accused of ejaculating on women without their consent, and of forced oral penetration. Both are considered sexual assault. 

 

100% agree with that part. The post I replied to was comparing Snyder to Watson. The point I was making was that Snyder's actions would be considered harassment whereas Watson's would be assault. 

 

For the suspension: I think it's easy to say the underlying reason Watson didn't play in the NFL last year was these allegations (and not b/c Watson didn't want to play in HOU). The NFL didn't want him to play for any team, the Texans wanted him to play for them (but were happy to not fight it when he sat out), and Watson wanted to play anywhere but Houston. The 3 parties reached an uneasy impasse where Watson would officially be 'sitting out' and not 'suspended' so as to get his salary and it benefited the NFL/Houston in that they didn't have to explore unprecedented legal actions. 

 

 

[Scott7975]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is truly terrible 

 

Yup and people that believe they did nothing wrong will just continue to do it.

[Rigby]

21 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

[aristocrat]

The nfl might actually be handling this correctly 

[Royale with Cheese]

I was going to go to the Vikings game…but might switch it to the Browns game now.

[Augie]

32 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I'll tell you one thing for certain ... I'm glad this has nothing to do with the Buffalo Bills!

 

 

I honestly don’t know how I would handle that. Can you imagine swapping Josh for that creepy dirt bag? I just don’t know if I could endure that. 

 

I have a friend who is a Browns fan and he’s struggling. He’s trying to justify things, but he’s struggling to remain a fan of the franchise. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

So if Rodger confirms the 6 game suspension or lowers it, does the NFL appeal? If so wouldn't that be Rodger appealing himself? 🤔 (Academic question of course) 

[muppy]

wow wow wow wow wow....yeah actually I AM shocked because I don't have a criminally sick mindset. If watsons lack of remorse and responsibility for his actions is true its not only terrible it is DEMONSTRATIVE of just whom we are dealing with here. Cognitive disconnect from reality much?

 

IF true and he isnt even aware of having done wrong I find that very Disturbing. wow.

[GoBills808]

 

Watson should never play another down in the league

 

Browns are a complete joke

[YoloinOhio]

56 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Yeah...I mean, I understand why all of the media right now is talking about how Watson could start W1 pending court action but the odds are realistically probably less than 1%.

 

Watson himself would much rather serve the suspension this year than have it bleed into next season. He would lose 300k this year …but 16 mill next year. 

[The Wiz]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Watson himself would much rather serve the suspension this year than have it bleed into next season. He would lose 300k this year …but 16 mill next year. 

Yet another reason the NFLPA is just blowing smoke.   The only thing the want is players to get off easy (no pun intended) and get paid.

 

They might have to pick which one is more important on this one if they want to file against. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by The Wiz

[TFBillsfan]

I can’t imagine being a Browns fan right now. For anyone that has a conscious they know Watson should be punished far more than 6 games. It will be interesting to see how the fan base responds to Watson and to the ownership. It seems both are tone deaf and keep digging the hole deeper.

 

Watson being suspended for only six games is embarrassment to the NFL. How the Browns structured Watson’s contract to avoid monetary punishment this year is a horrible look for the franchise. It would be very difficult for me to stay a fan if this was the Bills.

 

Hopefully the commissioner increases the punishment and fine.

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

only that’s not splitting the difference. The NFL wanted 17 games and the judge gave him 6. That’s a difference of a whopping 11 games. Splitting that would be 11-12 games

I am mistaken the .  I thought the league asked for 1 year

[The Wiz]

20 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

I can’t imagine being a Browns fan right now. For anyone that has a conscious they know Watson should be punished far more than 6 games. It will be interesting to see how the fan base responds to Watson and to the ownership. It seems both are tone deaf and keep digging the hole deeper.

 

Watson being suspended for only six games is embarrassment to the NFL. How the Browns structured Watson’s contract to avoid monetary punishment this year is a horrible look for the franchise. It would be very difficult for me to stay a fan if this was the Bills.

 

Hopefully the commissioner increases the punishment and fine.

Not to mention that horrific PR statement from the Browns/Haslems.

 

Everything about it just comes off as scum of the earth. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Watson himself would much rather serve the suspension this year than have it bleed into next season. He would lose 300k this year …but 16 mill next year. 

The way the Browns have worked this, it wouldn’t be surprising if they renegotiated the contract to move dollars from salary to bonus for next year, just in case. 

[chongli]

28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Fine with me. As as he doesn't play against the Bills. (We play Cleveland their 10th game, or Week 11.)

[WotAGuy]

30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

What’s the big deal about playing the Texans?  Could it be more about the contract tolling?

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

What’s the big deal about playing the Texans?  Could it be more about the contract tolling?

Could be the media circus/ PR 

[KDIGGZ]

If I was the in charge I'd say 1 full season, they use his average contract salary (not his 2022 salary) to determine the loss of income for those games, and he has to go to therapy and only use male masseuses at the Browns facility for the rest of his career. Seems fair to me!

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

 

I think it's pretty easy to argue that Watson sitting out last year was a de facto suspension. If Watson had never received a massage or if these allegations never surfaced what are the odds he would've played last year? I'm putting it at 100% (it might not have been in Houston, but it would've been easy to trade him). An established franchise QB sitting out for an entire season would have been unprecedented. 

 

Sexual harassment = / = sexual assault

 

Both are scummy (not to mention illegal), but assault is more serious than harassment. What Snyder did is not a great comparison. Kraft and his 100% consensual rub and tug are not a great comparison either. 

 

If you had no idea what you are talking about, sure, you could say that.

[BillsFan4]

On 8/2/2022 at 2:31 PM, Warcodered said:

 

 

i feel the exact same way Mina Kimes does. 

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

 

 

  If he truly believed there was nothing wrong with how he conducted himself why did he need NDAs signed?  And if he's so worried about getting wrongfully accused then why not c I ntinue to use one of the women that claimed to have no problems with any inappropriate conduct during their sessions?  

 

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

 

I think it's pretty easy to argue that Watson sitting out last year was a de facto suspension. If Watson had never received a massage or if these allegations never surfaced what are the odds he would've played last year? I'm putting it at 100% (it might not have been in Houston, but it would've been easy to trade him). An established franchise QB sitting out for an entire season would have been unprecedented. 

 

Sexual harassment = / = sexual assault

 

Both are scummy (not to mention illegal), but assault is more serious than harassment. What Snyder did is not a great comparison. Kraft and his 100% consensual rub and tug are not a great comparison either. 

 

Yeah, that argument won't hold water because we are dealing in hypotheticals. He CHOSE not to play starting by demanding a trade and saying he was never going to play for Houston again, and decided to sit out. The team is under no obligation to do anything other than pay him. 

 

So no, there was no suspension, as it was of his own doing.

[maddenboy]

23 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Yes, because the group here is far more savvy at employment law (remember, this is an employment law case)

technically, its a Labor Law case.  Usually federal law.  Involves a labor union.

 

Employment law tends to vary by state.

[Mango]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You cannot oust the courts by virtue of an employment contract. Now the bar for the courts actually finding that, given the wording of the CBA, it has any authority to overrule is very high. The NFLPA and Watson have a fight on to reach that bar. But an injunction for interim relief to allow the case to be heard is a possibility. 

 

That said, even if it goes that way, I don't see Watson suiting up week 1 under any circumstances. In the circumstances where he has injucted the NFL and the case is pending even Cleveland wouldn't be stupid enough to put him out there, surely? And Goodell has the exempt list available to him.

 

The more likely scenario is if Goodell goes to a year Watson goes to the courts for an expedited hearing so that is resolved in time for him not to miss more than the original 6 games in the event he is succsssful. 

 

My gut still says 12 games is where this is ending up.

My favorite part about this would be Watson playing in $1M and suspended on $50M in cap hits. 

[BillsFan4]

I’m glad the NFL is appealing and not at all surprised to see they are. I felt that ruling made an appeal pretty easy for the NFL.

 

I almost felt like the NFL had to appeal the judges ruling with the way she worded certain things. 

Edited August 4, 2022 by BillsFan4

[Punching Bag]

On 8/1/2022 at 8:44 AM, Chaos said:

Are there any employers outside of the entertainment industry that have "suspensions" or "fines" for employees for personal conduct outside of work..  Don't they just typical fire people or stay out of it? 

 

It is common in DoD industries for "suspensions" for employees for personal conduct outside of work.

Fines are only loss of pay but what is worse is pulling of security clearance without recourse which can affect future income greatly.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

I bet, in the grand scheme of things, what Watson did will never matter...

 

Roethlisberger, Kobe, Ray Lewis, Adrian Peterson, Mike Vick... The list goes on.  

 

Next year, this won't even be a thing. 

 

People getting worked up over something that will ultimately be forgiven anyway. 

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

 

What were you saying?

i will own, surprised the nfl would risk this going to court. We will see what they try to impose now. 
 

Major fine and very modest change to the games they might skate without court. I’d still be shocked if they go big and end up in court. And then if they go small, it hardly seems worth the risk and continued headlines. 

[AuntieEm]

4 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yup and people that believe they did nothing wrong will just continue to do it.

 

 

     Indeed which is what I think is meant by an indefinite suspension and some reports that counseling is mandated and I'd surmise that he would be reinstated once he was given a clean bill of mental health by accredited psychologist specializing in identifying sexual predators.  I have no idea if there's any type of treatment  that's successful to rehabilitate them.  I'm certain he wouldn't agree to any  type of chemical treatment to reduce his urges for his message therapy.  And a drug induced castration is the only treatment I've ever read about given to those who where convicted of being serial rapists.  So his suspension would only be lifted if he got treatment for his deviant behavior.  He wants to act out his sexual fantasies let him go to Nevada hire a legal prostitute to give him his massage therapy with a happy ending just as he wants.  

 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2022 by AuntieEm

[YoloinOhio]

56 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I bet, in the grand scheme of things, what Watson did will never matter...

 

Roethlisberger, Kobe, Ray Lewis, Adrian Peterson, Mike Vick... The list goes on.  

 

Next year, this won't even be a thing. 

 

People getting worked up over something that will ultimately be forgiven anyway. 

Social media wasn’t as rampant back then - its a Beast and can really cancel someone. In time, this will fade of course. That is, if he can stop his behavior of sexual assault which he believes is perfectly fine.

Edited August 4, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[YoloinOhio]

Then why did browns ownership say he felt remorse? 
 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I bet, in the grand scheme of things, what Watson did will never matter...

 

Roethlisberger, Kobe, Ray Lewis, Adrian Peterson, Mike Vick... The list goes on.  

 

Next year, this won't even be a thing. 

 

People getting worked up over something that will ultimately be forgiven anyway. 

Speak for yourself

24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Then why did browns ownership say he felt remorse? 
 

 

They lied 🤥 

[Doc Brown]

22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Then why did browns ownership say he felt remorse? 
 

 

Because they're the Browns.  A team so inept that it retained a head coach that went 1-31 the two previous seasons.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Then why did browns ownership say he felt remorse? 
 

 

 

Of course they dont think he did anything wrong.  They all rich scum that grew up thinking it was ok to grope the secretary and exploit woman.  Watsons in house massage therapist will probably just be a hired hooker on retainer.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Scott7975

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I bet, in the grand scheme of things, what Watson did will never matter...

 

Roethlisberger, Kobe, Ray Lewis, Adrian Peterson, Mike Vick... The list goes on.  

 

Next year, this won't even be a thing. 

 

People getting worked up over something that will ultimately be forgiven anyway. 

Lol you think opposing fans are going to forget this in a year? You do realize Roethlisberger was catching **** right up to the day he retired for his scumbaggery. 

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Because they're the Browns.  A team so inept that it retained a head coach that went 1-31 the two previous seasons.

and booted Heisman Trophy winning, #1 overall pick for a scumbag pervert after just 4 seasons. Cleveland isn’t deserving of a team.