Logic Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I think it's pretty easy to argue that Watson sitting out last year was a de facto suspension. If Watson had never received a massage or if these allegations never surfaced what are the odds he would've played last year? I'm putting it at 100% (it might not have been in Houston, but it would've been easy to trade him). An established franchise QB sitting out for an entire season would have been unprecedented. Sexual harassment = / = sexual assault Both are scummy (not to mention illegal), but assault is more serious than harassment. What Snyder did is not a great comparison. Kraft and his 100% consensual rub and tug are not a great comparison either. As to your first statement: Watson was eligible to play last year and collected his full paycheck. So no, it is NOT "easy to argue" that last year was a de facto suspension. As to your statement regarding sexual assault: Watson has been accused of ejaculating on women without their consent, and of forced oral penetration. Both are considered sexual assault. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share Posted August 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, Logic said: This is truly terrible 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Logic said: As to your first statement: Watson was eligible to play last year and collected his full paycheck. So no, it is NOT "easy to argue" that last year was a de facto suspension. As to your statement regarding sexual assault: Watson has been accused of ejaculating on women without their consent, and of forced oral penetration. Both are considered sexual assault. 100% agree with that part. The post I replied to was comparing Snyder to Watson. The point I was making was that Snyder's actions would be considered harassment whereas Watson's would be assault. For the suspension: I think it's easy to say the underlying reason Watson didn't play in the NFL last year was these allegations (and not b/c Watson didn't want to play in HOU). The NFL didn't want him to play for any team, the Texans wanted him to play for them (but were happy to not fight it when he sat out), and Watson wanted to play anywhere but Houston. The 3 parties reached an uneasy impasse where Watson would officially be 'sitting out' and not 'suspended' so as to get his salary and it benefited the NFL/Houston in that they didn't have to explore unprecedented legal actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is truly terrible Yup and people that believe they did nothing wrong will just continue to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigby Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, Logic said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 The nfl might actually be handling this correctly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 I was going to go to the Vikings game…but might switch it to the Browns game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 32 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'll tell you one thing for certain ... I'm glad this has nothing to do with the Buffalo Bills! I honestly don’t know how I would handle that. Can you imagine swapping Josh for that creepy dirt bag? I just don’t know if I could endure that. I have a friend who is a Browns fan and he’s struggling. He’s trying to justify things, but he’s struggling to remain a fan of the franchise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 So if Rodger confirms the 6 game suspension or lowers it, does the NFL appeal? If so wouldn't that be Rodger appealing himself? 🤔 (Academic question of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 wow wow wow wow wow....yeah actually I AM shocked because I don't have a criminally sick mindset. If watsons lack of remorse and responsibility for his actions is true its not only terrible it is DEMONSTRATIVE of just whom we are dealing with here. Cognitive disconnect from reality much? IF true and he isnt even aware of having done wrong I find that very Disturbing. wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Watson should never play another down in the league Browns are a complete joke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share Posted August 3, 2022 56 minutes ago, eball said: Yeah...I mean, I understand why all of the media right now is talking about how Watson could start W1 pending court action but the odds are realistically probably less than 1%. Watson himself would much rather serve the suspension this year than have it bleed into next season. He would lose 300k this year …but 16 mill next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Watson himself would much rather serve the suspension this year than have it bleed into next season. He would lose 300k this year …but 16 mill next year. Yet another reason the NFLPA is just blowing smoke. The only thing the want is players to get off easy (no pun intended) and get paid. They might have to pick which one is more important on this one if they want to file against. Edited August 3, 2022 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 I can’t imagine being a Browns fan right now. For anyone that has a conscious they know Watson should be punished far more than 6 games. It will be interesting to see how the fan base responds to Watson and to the ownership. It seems both are tone deaf and keep digging the hole deeper. Watson being suspended for only six games is embarrassment to the NFL. How the Browns structured Watson’s contract to avoid monetary punishment this year is a horrible look for the franchise. It would be very difficult for me to stay a fan if this was the Bills. Hopefully the commissioner increases the punishment and fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 2 hours ago, StHustle said: only that’s not splitting the difference. The NFL wanted 17 games and the judge gave him 6. That’s a difference of a whopping 11 games. Splitting that would be 11-12 games I am mistaken the . I thought the league asked for 1 year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 20 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: I can’t imagine being a Browns fan right now. For anyone that has a conscious they know Watson should be punished far more than 6 games. It will be interesting to see how the fan base responds to Watson and to the ownership. It seems both are tone deaf and keep digging the hole deeper. Watson being suspended for only six games is embarrassment to the NFL. How the Browns structured Watson’s contract to avoid monetary punishment this year is a horrible look for the franchise. It would be very difficult for me to stay a fan if this was the Bills. Hopefully the commissioner increases the punishment and fine. Not to mention that horrific PR statement from the Browns/Haslems. Everything about it just comes off as scum of the earth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WotAGuy Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Watson himself would much rather serve the suspension this year than have it bleed into next season. He would lose 300k this year …but 16 mill next year. The way the Browns have worked this, it wouldn’t be surprising if they renegotiated the contract to move dollars from salary to bonus for next year, just in case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Fine with me. As as he doesn't play against the Bills. (We play Cleveland their 10th game, or Week 11.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What’s the big deal about playing the Texans? Could it be more about the contract tolling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: What’s the big deal about playing the Texans? Could it be more about the contract tolling? Could be the media circus/ PR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 If I was the in charge I'd say 1 full season, they use his average contract salary (not his 2022 salary) to determine the loss of income for those games, and he has to go to therapy and only use male masseuses at the Browns facility for the rest of his career. Seems fair to me! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 3 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I think it's pretty easy to argue that Watson sitting out last year was a de facto suspension. If Watson had never received a massage or if these allegations never surfaced what are the odds he would've played last year? I'm putting it at 100% (it might not have been in Houston, but it would've been easy to trade him). An established franchise QB sitting out for an entire season would have been unprecedented. Sexual harassment = / = sexual assault Both are scummy (not to mention illegal), but assault is more serious than harassment. What Snyder did is not a great comparison. Kraft and his 100% consensual rub and tug are not a great comparison either. If you had no idea what you are talking about, sure, you could say that. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 8/2/2022 at 2:31 PM, Warcodered said: i feel the exact same way Mina Kimes does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Logic said: If he truly believed there was nothing wrong with how he conducted himself why did he need NDAs signed? And if he's so worried about getting wrongfully accused then why not c I ntinue to use one of the women that claimed to have no problems with any inappropriate conduct during their sessions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 3 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I think it's pretty easy to argue that Watson sitting out last year was a de facto suspension. If Watson had never received a massage or if these allegations never surfaced what are the odds he would've played last year? I'm putting it at 100% (it might not have been in Houston, but it would've been easy to trade him). An established franchise QB sitting out for an entire season would have been unprecedented. Sexual harassment = / = sexual assault Both are scummy (not to mention illegal), but assault is more serious than harassment. What Snyder did is not a great comparison. Kraft and his 100% consensual rub and tug are not a great comparison either. Yeah, that argument won't hold water because we are dealing in hypotheticals. He CHOSE not to play starting by demanding a trade and saying he was never going to play for Houston again, and decided to sit out. The team is under no obligation to do anything other than pay him. So no, there was no suspension, as it was of his own doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 23 hours ago, NoSaint said: Yes, because the group here is far more savvy at employment law (remember, this is an employment law case) technically, its a Labor Law case. Usually federal law. Involves a labor union. Employment law tends to vary by state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: You cannot oust the courts by virtue of an employment contract. Now the bar for the courts actually finding that, given the wording of the CBA, it has any authority to overrule is very high. The NFLPA and Watson have a fight on to reach that bar. But an injunction for interim relief to allow the case to be heard is a possibility. That said, even if it goes that way, I don't see Watson suiting up week 1 under any circumstances. In the circumstances where he has injucted the NFL and the case is pending even Cleveland wouldn't be stupid enough to put him out there, surely? And Goodell has the exempt list available to him. The more likely scenario is if Goodell goes to a year Watson goes to the courts for an expedited hearing so that is resolved in time for him not to miss more than the original 6 games in the event he is succsssful. My gut still says 12 games is where this is ending up. My favorite part about this would be Watson playing in $1M and suspended on $50M in cap hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) I’m glad the NFL is appealing and not at all surprised to see they are. I felt that ruling made an appeal pretty easy for the NFL. I almost felt like the NFL had to appeal the judges ruling with the way she worded certain things. Edited August 4, 2022 by BillsFan4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 8:44 AM, Chaos said: Are there any employers outside of the entertainment industry that have "suspensions" or "fines" for employees for personal conduct outside of work.. Don't they just typical fire people or stay out of it? It is common in DoD industries for "suspensions" for employees for personal conduct outside of work. Fines are only loss of pay but what is worse is pulling of security clearance without recourse which can affect future income greatly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 I bet, in the grand scheme of things, what Watson did will never matter... Roethlisberger, Kobe, Ray Lewis, Adrian Peterson, Mike Vick... The list goes on. Next year, this won't even be a thing. People getting worked up over something that will ultimately be forgiven anyway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 4 hours ago, Back2Buff said: What were you saying? i will own, surprised the nfl would risk this going to court. We will see what they try to impose now. Major fine and very modest change to the games they might skate without court. I’d still be shocked if they go big and end up in court. And then if they go small, it hardly seems worth the risk and continued headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Yup and people that believe they did nothing wrong will just continue to do it. Indeed which is what I think is meant by an indefinite suspension and some reports that counseling is mandated and I'd surmise that he would be reinstated once he was given a clean bill of mental health by accredited psychologist specializing in identifying sexual predators. I have no idea if there's any type of treatment that's successful to rehabilitate them. I'm certain he wouldn't agree to any type of chemical treatment to reduce his urges for his message therapy. And a drug induced castration is the only treatment I've ever read about given to those who where convicted of being serial rapists. So his suspension would only be lifted if he got treatment for his deviant behavior. He wants to act out his sexual fantasies let him go to Nevada hire a legal prostitute to give him his massage therapy with a happy ending just as he wants. Edited August 4, 2022 by AuntieEm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: I bet, in the grand scheme of things, what Watson did will never matter... Roethlisberger, Kobe, Ray Lewis, Adrian Peterson, Mike Vick... The list goes on. Next year, this won't even be a thing. People getting worked up over something that will ultimately be forgiven anyway. Social media wasn’t as rampant back then - its a Beast and can really cancel someone. In time, this will fade of course. That is, if he can stop his behavior of sexual assault which he believes is perfectly fine. Edited August 4, 2022 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 Then why did browns ownership say he felt remorse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: I bet, in the grand scheme of things, what Watson did will never matter... Roethlisberger, Kobe, Ray Lewis, Adrian Peterson, Mike Vick... The list goes on. Next year, this won't even be a thing. People getting worked up over something that will ultimately be forgiven anyway. Speak for yourself 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Then why did browns ownership say he felt remorse? They lied 🤥 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Then why did browns ownership say he felt remorse? Because they're the Browns. A team so inept that it retained a head coach that went 1-31 the two previous seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Then why did browns ownership say he felt remorse? Of course they dont think he did anything wrong. They all rich scum that grew up thinking it was ok to grope the secretary and exploit woman. Watsons in house massage therapist will probably just be a hired hooker on retainer. Edited August 4, 2022 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 2 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: I bet, in the grand scheme of things, what Watson did will never matter... Roethlisberger, Kobe, Ray Lewis, Adrian Peterson, Mike Vick... The list goes on. Next year, this won't even be a thing. People getting worked up over something that will ultimately be forgiven anyway. Lol you think opposing fans are going to forget this in a year? You do realize Roethlisberger was catching **** right up to the day he retired for his scumbaggery. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Because they're the Browns. A team so inept that it retained a head coach that went 1-31 the two previous seasons. and booted Heisman Trophy winning, #1 overall pick for a scumbag pervert after just 4 seasons. Cleveland isn’t deserving of a team. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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