YoloinOhio Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Yeah - this thread may have been a bit of an overreaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biLLyBuFFs Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Did he seriously say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Did he seriously say that? Yes he did. The problem wasn’t Mac. (Who didn’t have a good game) but terrible play calling and the D giving up a TD after having the Raiders 4th and 10 with 2 minutes left.. ugh.. well now I want 7-10 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 If a QB can't throw a 50 plus yard hail Mary, they shouldn't be in the league. Even most backups can throw that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Did he seriously say that? Yes! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Did he seriously say that? Did Belichik also comment on Macorkle’s supposed dramatically improved tackling ability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 McCorkle is now permanently part of the field in Las Vegas. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 59 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Belichick has always had a knack for turning QB’s into walking punch lines — Sanchez and butt fumble, Darnold and “seeing ghosts” come to mind readily. His only problem is now he’s doing it to his own QB’s and not the other teams. 😂 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 7/26/2022 at 12:21 PM, FilthyBeast said: As long as Belichik is around there should be legitimate concern regarding the Patriots. I don't think Mac Jones is quite Tom Brady and they are going to go on another 20 year run, but the information regarding his off season improvement has been consistent and do expect to see improvement on the field and I don't think this team is going to underestimate the Pats (and rest of division) like some of the fans are. The longer Belichick sticks around without prime TB12, the less concerned I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: McCorkle is now permanently part of the field in Las Vegas. Angry runs winner right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Great effort by MacJones on the last play... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said: Great effort by MacJones on the last play... Will never play linebacker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Yobogoya! said: Belichick has always had a knack for turning QB’s into walking punch lines — Sanchez and butt fumble, Darnold and “seeing ghosts” come to mind readily. His only problem is now he’s doing it to his own QB’s and not the other teams. 😂 At this point, we have to hand it to Brady. He must have developed himself. I'm pretty sure the spying helped win their first couple. But I also presume that, rather than passively using whatever information was afforded him, he actively chose to learn to read defenses, digest the schemes, and couple that with the physical characteristics needed to make every throw. Kudos to Brady, clearly the Bucs Super Bowl win should have been his riding into the sunset, but he's still better than a lot of the current starters floating around (including DadBodMcCorkle). Edited December 19, 2022 by pocoboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 I'm usually not a fan of resurrecting old threads with new comments and keeping it alive interminably, but in this case I approve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 No *****. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Caption This Photo: Talk to the Hand!!! Face Plant.jfif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) Its poetic justice, but the Patriots are a perfect reflective image of the drought-era Bills. Now, complete with jarring bone-headed losses that leave fans shaking their heads... but also fools everyone into thinking you are good enough to win games. They are now a behind-the-times nepotistic crusty old football program. Coached and built just well (if it were 1956) enough to win between 40 to 55% of their games, and reactively plugging holes that appear each offseason only to see more pop up. Never bad enough to truly get a good look at a cant-miss QB prospect or collect other high-end talent. Quarterback purgatory. Edited December 19, 2022 by May Day 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Anyone have the Twitter clip of Mac Jones and the Benny Hill theme? I saw it earlier today now can’t find it. So hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Belichick appears to be losing confidence in his Pro Bowl QB Mac Jones. After the game, when he was asked why didn’t they throw the Hail Mary at the end of the game, he responded: “Couldn’t throw it that far,” Belichick said. Many questioned Belichick’s comments towards Jones because he’s insinuating that Jones’s arm is weak and he can’t throw the ball 55 yards. In his career, Jones has one pass over 50 yards, it’s a 75-yard touchdown to veteran WR Kendrick Bourne. On the throw to Bourne, the initial pass was 30 yards and he ran the other 45 yards for a touchdown. https://musketfire.com/2022/12/19/patriots-mac-jones-bill-belichick/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: No *****. Wow. 13 for 31 112 yards. That matches the nadir that Tua had his prior last two games, epically bad numbers in today's NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Beck Water said: Did he seriously say that? It's towards the end of his press conference below at the 3:30 mark. Pretty incredible: Reporter: "Bill, [sic] the final play, situationally, how do you weigh what was called, as opposed to taking a shot at the end zone?" Belichick*: "(long pause)... taking a shot at the end zone?" Reporter: "Yeah, like a Hail Mary, 55 yard.." Belichick: "(interrupting) Couldn't throw it that far... yeah, couldn't throw it that far." https://www.patriots.com/video/bill-belichick-12-18-we-made-too-many-mistakes-and-had-too-many-bad-plays-and-it Edited December 19, 2022 by Rocky Landing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 While it's great to see the Patriots struggle and lose a game in such an absurd manner, I'm still not writing off Mac Jones after having one of the best rookie seasons ever and showing he can be a big time player in this league. But you do get the sense that we are nearing the end of the Belichik era and any hope Jones does have of taking the next step is contingent on bringing in a fresh perspective to the Patriots organization (i.e. a real NFL OC) that understands how to build an offense that can compete with the leagues best QBs, including the Bills and JA17. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: It's towards the end of his press conference below at the 3:30 mark. Pretty incredible: Reporter: "Bill, [sic] the final play, situationally, how do you weigh what was called, as opposed to taking a shot at the end zone?" Belichick*: "(long pause)... taking a shot at the end zone?" Reporter: "Yeah, like a Hail Mary, 55 yard.." Belichick: "(interrupting) Couldn't throw it that far." https://www.patriots.com/video/bill-belichick-12-18-we-made-too-many-mistakes-and-had-too-many-bad-plays-and-it Yow. I don't know how much were air yards, but Mac has a "long" of 75 yds last season and 48 yds this season. In Brady, Belicheck seems to have found a QB who was motivated by his particular brand of coaching. Not so sure it works well with a QB he might otherwise make serviceable. Seems like he's taking a crap on Jones for his own poor playcall and/or failure to prepare the team Edited December 19, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: While it's great to see the Patriots struggle and lose a game in such an absurd manner, I'm still not writing off Mac Jones after having one of the best rookie seasons ever and showing he can be a big time player in this league. But you do get the sense that we are nearing the end of the Belichik era and any hope Jones does have of taking the next step is contingent on bringing in a fresh perspective to the Patriots organization (i.e. a real NFL OC) that understands how to build an offense that can compete with the leagues best QBs, including the Bills and JA17. It is completely clear that mac was carried by a strong running game/defense and they were able to make the playoffs thanks to an easy schedule. Their offensive line regressed a bit and the whole team has now completely fallen apart Edited December 19, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 49 minutes ago, DJB said: Anyone have the Twitter clip of Mac Jones and the Benny Hill theme? I saw it earlier today now can’t find it. So hilarious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: It is completely clear that mac was carried by a strong running game/defense and they were able to make the playoffs thanks to an easy schedule. Their offensive line regressed a bit and the whole team has now completely fallen apart You very well might be right, but still think Jones has shown more than enough to be the guy heading into year 3 and with more QB's showing that 'Magic Josh Allen 3rd year jump' in Tua and Hurts this year, whoever the coach is in NE next year is likely going to expect that with Jones especially if they upgrade the talent around him which is going to be a big part of that with the Patriots offense as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: It is completely clear that mac was carried by a strong running game and they were able to make the playoffs thanks to an easy schedule. Their offensive line regressed a bit and the whole team has now completely fallen apart Eh. While I hesitate to respond to someone who is "feeding the filthybeast" (aka Miami/NE fan troll), Mac Jones did have a solid year last year, including a 9 game stretch with 8 wins and 1 OT loss and wins over good teams like the Titans (who beat us, we may recall). I think a lot of the difference is that last year, he had an OC in Josh McDaniels, who had a solid offensive system and who knew how to shape it to his QB's strengths and teach his QB to function in it. This year, he's got former Patriots DC and disastrous Lions HC Matt Patricia, and former Patriots ST coach and failed Giants HC Joe Judge. I see no evidence that either of them know much about how to craft an offense to a team's strengths or develop a QB. Basically, his support system was surgically excised and replaced with a pair of crutches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Eh. While I hesitate to respond to someone who is "feeding the filthybeast" (aka Miami/NE fan troll), Mac Jones did have a solid year last year, including a 9 game stretch with 8 wins and 1 OT loss and wins over good teams like the Titans (who beat us, we may recall). I think a lot of the difference is that last year, he had an OC in Josh McDaniels, who had a solid offensive system and who knew how to shape it to his QB's strengths and teach his QB to function in it. This year, he's got former Patriots DC and disastrous Lions HC Matt Patricia, and former Patriots ST coach and failed Giants HC Joe Judge. I see no evidence that either of them know much about how to craft an offense to a team's strengths or develop a QB. Basically, his support system was surgically excised and replaced with a pair of crutches. IIRC, he beat a Titans team that was severely rattled with injuries, as were most of the QBs on their 6 game win streak. After the Win game, they lost 5 of last 6 against teams that were not injured. I think this year they have one win against a QB that has not been benched. Don't get me wrong, i hope they keep him. He is a slow Tyrod..good enough to not lose games when D and run game works, not good enough to win games when everything is not working perfectly around him. I have a lot of Pats fans in a group thread...early this year said same to them...welcome to no playoffs and drafts between 8-13 as long as he is QB. As a Bills fan, I love it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Yow. I don't know how much were air yards, but Mac has a "long" of 75 yds last season and 48 yds this season. In Brady, Belicheck seems to have found a QB who was motivated by his particular brand of coaching. Not so sure it works well with a QB he might otherwise make serviceable. Seems like he's taking a crap on Jones for his own poor playcall and/or failure to prepare the team It's been remarkable how far the press has been willing to bend themselves to paint over Mac & Cheese's tantrums. But looking beyond the apologists in the media, it's astonishing to me the relationship that's been built between this second-year quarterback, and the Patriots* coaching staff. And I believe it started in Mac's first training camp, building upon his already inflated ego. I will always believe that the "quarterback competition" (quotations necessary) between Mac & Cheese, and Cam Newton was a ruse at Newton's expense-- run a phony QB competition, and convince Mac & Cheese that he "won" his position over an MVP QB. But, as convinced M&C is of his own hype, I think this presser from Belichick* illustrates just how poisoned the relationship between QB and coaching staff really is in New England. And, honestly, can anyone remember a below-average, second-year quarterback screaming and swearing at his OC on the sideline? Or at his own veteran teammates? I keep reading this narrative about how M&C's teammates all love, and support him, but one really has to wonder. Amazing how dysfunctional the NE Patriots* have become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) Mac's probably going to be one of those guys that's like a 10+ year backup/fringe starter to compete with a rookie or for a 1st year rebuild type of guy. He's just not starter material for a true contending NFL team. Edited December 19, 2022 by HomeskillitMoorman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Wow. 13 for 31 112 yards. That matches the nadir that Tua had his prior last two games, epically bad numbers in today's NFL. I guess he’ll blame Patricia again. Patricia sucks as an Offensive Coordinator but Jones (and the media) uses him as a scapegoat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Toledo Bill said: I guess he’ll blame Patricia again. Patricia sucks as an Offensive Coordinator but Jones (and the media) uses him as a scapegoat I hope he does. He can alienate himself from the fanbase and eventually his team mates, he aint Tom Brady, sometimes I think he has to fill that role. His petulant screaming at his oline a few weeks ago was embarrassing to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: While it's great to see the Patriots struggle and lose a game in such an absurd manner, I'm still not writing off Mac Jones after having one of the best rookie seasons ever and showing he can be a big time player in this league. I think big rookie seasons can be inflated too much. Baker Mayfield came on like fire same with RG3 or Sam Bradford in their 1st years. I don't think Jones is bad but he is limited by mobility and his physical abilities. If he has success it will be with a better cast of play makers who can catch anything, have good separation, and probably a burner for mid routes. The Pats did him zero favors between OC and cast of support, but at the same time todays NFL rewards mobile QBs more then ever ie: Allen, Mahomes, Hurts etc.. that does not mean pocket passers can't make it as Burrow is torching teams and Tua has been really good. But Jones limitations are highlighted and it is pretty telling he has won two games in his career where the opponent has scored 22 pts or more (both 2021 HOU and LAC) and he had to out score them. Edited December 19, 2022 by corta765 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: While it's great to see the Patriots struggle and lose a game in such an absurd manner, I'm still not writing off Mac Jones after having one of the best rookie seasons ever and showing he can be a big time player in this league. I don't know how you can be a starting QB in the NFL with his rubber band arm. 2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: But you do get the sense that we are nearing the end of the Belichik era and any hope Jones does have of taking the next step is contingent on bringing in a fresh perspective to the Patriots organization (i.e. a real NFL OC) that understands how to build an offense that can compete with the leagues best QBs, including the Bills and JA17. You can't bounce back from this season. If the Krafts are smart they will clean house at the end of the year. But I'm really hoping they double down keeping Belichick and bring Brady back at 46. Patricia and Judge too. Keep 'em all. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 LMAO!! Belichick doubles down the next day on the Greg Hill radio show that "It was too far to throw the hail mary" for Mac Jones yesterday. Around the 3:00 minute mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Per Charlie Weis from about a year ago..."just keep watching!" https://nesn.com/2021/09/can-mac-jones-throw-deep-ball-why-ex-patriots-coach-believes-qb-surely-can/ "Why don’t you just watch him play. You want to see whether he can throw the ball downfield deep. Just keep watching. If he has to throw the ball down the field, when he has to throw the ball down the field, you won’t have to worry about him pulling the trigger.” I guess we will keep watching, Coach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhalen26 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Big Turk said: LMAO!! Belichick doubles down the next day on the Greg Hill radio show that "It was too far to throw the hail mary" for Mac Jones yesterday. Around the 3:00 minute mark. Thanks for sharing, it’s hilarious and worth the full listen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Hahahahahahahahahahaha Mac Jones description is too funny... Chandler placed a hand on Mac, and Mac collapsed inward like a folded sleeping bag after a long weekend in the forest. https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/12/19/patriots-raiders-blooper-all-time-gaffe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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