Mr. WEO Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: It seems you are arguing just to argue. Whether or not the guy is capable anymore is not my point. But I don't think it is debatable that for his entire career he has been known and used as a punt return specialist more so than a receiving threat. And that includes even recently. From 2017 to 2020, a four year span, he had more punt returns (42) than he did receptions (39). The year prior in 2016 he lead the league in punt returns with 44. In 2014 he had four more punt returns (35) than he had receptions (31). For his career he has 244 receptions to 190 punt returns. That's not a very big spread. So yes, teams see him as a punt return guy rather than a WR. Last year was the first time in his career he had substantially more receptions than punt returns in terms of percentage difference between the two. No I’m stating the facts.The guy is in no way a legit punt returner—3 teams in the lady 3 years have shouted this out loud. He hardly has been used a a PR in 4 years. You can’t make a serious argument otherwise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: So, you're a "stat scout"? Got it. I don't know if he has anything left, but he's been perennially injured and seems to have been the recipient of serial bad luck with penalties negating his big plays. There's a ton of articles out there about it dating back to his rookie season (like the one linked here discussing his returns in a 2019 Wild Card game - one of which was an 80 yard score called back due to penalty https://theathletic.com/755119/2019/01/08/tavon-austin-prepares-to-return-to-la-where-the-hurt-is-almost-gone/ or this one explaining his extension in 2016 which references 3 or 4 TD returns called back https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/29/jeff-fisher-tavon-austin-was-paid-based-on-anticipation-of-what-hes-going-to-do/). Rams fans also seem to think he was misused and unlucky vs. viewing him as a bust. Watch his NFL film - he has good PR instincts and could fill the role for the Bills assuming he's healthy. I find it beyond the realm of believability that someone could average under 4.5 yards per return over 3 years and 22 returns due to bad luck on penalty calls. His time with the Rams was long ago...let's focus on his recent results. Edited June 3, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Camp body type of signing. Because if he were to make this roster that means we aren't nearly as good at the position as some think. In fact I have no problem that we looked to bring in another veteran body at the position but should have been a different name with a more proven body of work at the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No I’m stating the facts.The guy is in no way a legit punt returner—3 teams in the lady 3 years have shouted this out loud. He hardly has been used a a PR in 4 years. You can’t make a serious argument otherwise. From 2017 to 2020, 4 seasons, more punt returns than receptions. Your typical WR does not come close to having more punt returns than receptions. He's viewed around the league as a punt return specialist first. WR second. I don't disagree the guy is past his prime. IF, and that's a big if, he sticks on the Bills roster it's more likely than not he ends up with another season with more punt returns than receptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 59 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I though he meant McKenzie It's a joke. Another poster kept referring to him as McKittrick in his posts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 I was hoping for a Julio Jones to be honest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, AuntieEm said: Also if tavon still has his speed and if he clicks with Allen and the other wrs. After John Brown and Sanders both seemed to wear out after playing with JA I kinda lean toward he gets new toys and since he does use them all he does break some. So it doesn't hurt to have Crowder, Mckenzie, Austin and Shakir all bring speedster they could rotate the vets on/off the ps with the increase in vets they can sign to it. If one gets dinged up they can be inactivated while they heal and bring up an equally capable speedster. I know it's a brave, new world, and all... but I have a hard time imagining Crowder, McKenzie, Austin or Shakir being rotated through the practice squad. 2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: From 2017 to 2020, 4 seasons, more punt returns than receptions. Your typical WR does not come close to having more punt returns than receptions. He's viewed around the league as a punt return specialist first. WR second. I don't disagree the guy is past his prime. IF, and that's a big if, he sticks on the Bills roster it's more likely than not he ends up with another season with more punt returns than receptions. I would add that if they have an eye on Shakir as P/KR (and many assume they do), Austin could be a valuable vet presence during TC in that regard. Edited June 3, 2022 by Rocky Landing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 I've heard of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said: His entire career has been a disappointment, especially if you factor in where he was drafted. This guy went 8th overall! Except for the career earnings part, you are correct. Salute to anyone who can last in the league this long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Except for the career earnings part, you are correct. Salute to anyone who can last in the league this long. 40.6 million over 9 seasons ain't a bad gig if you can get it. Edited June 4, 2022 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 His 6.8 yards a carry is pretty much the only impressive stat in any category for his entire disappointing career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalosouth said: I've heard of him. Ralph is cheap. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalosouth said: I've heard of him. I forgot about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 10 hours ago, wppete said: Please explain!?!? 12 hours ago, ddaryl said: It took me awhile to figure out who Makensi is...LOL At 1st I asking myself when did we sign Makensi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalosouth said: I've heard of him. 1 hour ago, Putin said: I forgot about him Who were we talking about again? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLieve85 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Is it week 1, well I mean week 0 yet. Yikesss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Guess Percy Harvin was unavailable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 16 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: From 2017 to 2020, 4 seasons, more punt returns than receptions. Your typical WR does not come close to having more punt returns than receptions. He's viewed around the league as a punt return specialist first. WR second. I don't disagree the guy is past his prime. IF, and that's a big if, he sticks on the Bills roster it's more likely than not he ends up with another season with more punt returns than receptions. LOL so what? He's had 32 PR....in 4 years! On 3 different teams. He's viewed around the league as a guy you don't let touch the ball hardly ever. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Austin was signed to compete for the last WR spot which will most likely entail PR/KR duties. At worse he brings a good deal of experience to share with Stevenson and anyone else competing. While his cap hit numbers are not in yet I'm fairly certain he signed a cheap contract so what's not to like? Personally, I believe Marquez Stevenson will be working his butt off this summer with returner duties and I still have hope for him. If Tavon Austin can help with that it will have been a good camp signing. Also, a good chance that if after he gets cut he could still be available later in the year if disaster hits the returner(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Puzzling. Often injured as a Cowboys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 11:29 AM, TampaBillsJunkie said: Isn't that McKittrick? I think you meant to say Makatrix. Izaya has been here a few years now, it's time to start getting his name right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 2:42 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I remember quite well. It’s the year we took EJ Manuel another disappointment. We traded down with the Rams and took EJ. The Rams took Tavon Austin. The circle is now complete. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 10:06 AM, HappyDays said: I searched Tavon Austin's age yesterday and a bunch of other WR ages popped up. The most shocking one I saw is that Laquon Treadwell is only 26. By my calculation that means he's been a bust since he was 16. Maybe he went to school in the Dominican Republic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 On 6/2/2022 at 9:45 PM, Mr. WEO said: Yes--year 10 is the typical breakout season for 1st round WRs! So he went with the 32 year old journeyman for this? Josh Allen, need I say More. RUN Forrest RUN speed we need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 I think McDermot really wants a return guy he can trust which is why he went to Hyde at the end of the year. The message seems to be, "fair catch, take a knew, don't return for a single yard ever and it's fine. Just don't F it up. With our offense, I think I agree. We can make up the yards as long as we don't turn it over. With Austin's experience I could see him providing the sure hands that McDermott wanted with the added bonus of actually being able to gain some return yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, fergie's ire said: I think McDermot really wants a return guy he can trust which is why he went to Hyde at the end of the year. The message seems to be, "fair catch, take a knew, don't return for a single yard ever and it's fine. Just don't F it up. With our offense, I think I agree. We can make up the yards as long as we don't turn it over. With Austin's experience I could see him providing the sure hands that McDermott wanted with the added bonus of actually being able to gain some return yards. I miss having a dangerous returner though like Terrence McGee or Roscoe Parrish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said: Josh Allen, need I say More. RUN Forrest RUN speed we need Josh can't make these bums like Austin, Sanders and "Smoke" Brown into spring chickens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 A lot of gnashing of teeth over the 90th man on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Interesting Tavon Austin interview on OBD right now. He says he's been injured for the last 3.5 years, and he's finally healthy. Says he has a HUGE Fucillo-sized chip on his shoulder and is looking to prove himself. Talks the talk, let's see if he walk the walk.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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babulator Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 He's pretty charismatic, I like him and I'm rooting for him. Go Bills! 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) On 6/5/2022 at 1:37 PM, PromoTheRobot said: We traded down with the Rams and took EJ. The Rams took Tavon Austin. The circle is now complete. I had a random thought whilst pondering this subject. We don't look so bad now, do we?....signed Doug Whaley and Russ Brandon. I'm sorry, I had the Brown's situation going on in my mind. Note to self, don't need a whole Gummy. Edited June 7, 2022 by nosejob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dopey Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 hours ago, nosejob said: I had a random thought whilst pondering this subject. We don't look so bad now, do we?....signed Doug Whaley and Russ Brandon. I'm sorry, I had the Brown's situation going on in my mind. Note to self, don't need a whole Gummy. Must be one hell of a Gummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: I'm impressed with his approach to this opportunity. Maybe he can contribute. I love speed and he likely still has that. Edited June 8, 2022 by White Linen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 6 hours ago, Warcodered said: Even though he's tripled washed.....and then some at this point..........he probably has a shot at being a year-long practice squad player with the league keeping them expanded again. Not a $6M man any longer but maybe a $200K man still. And the Bills are no longer one of the deeper receiver groups in the NFL anymore. It's Diggs, Davis and a bunch of slots and ST's only's. So his competition might be an unavailability expert like Isaiah Hodgins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 42 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Even though he's tripled washed.....and then some at this point..........he probably has a shot at being a year-long practice squad player with the league keeping them expanded again. Not a $6M man any longer but maybe a $200K man still. And the Bills are no longer one of the deeper receiver groups in the NFL anymore. It's Diggs, Davis and a bunch of slots and ST's only's. So his competition might be an unavailability expert like Isaiah Hodgins. You're mean. But I needed to read that. I need to stop even considering Hodgins a potential sleeper (given that first camp when he was possibly ahead of Davis for a minute). In completely related news: it was reported today that Hodgins is in fact currently on the shelf in OTAs. Oof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekills17 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 6 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: You're mean. But I needed to read that. I need to stop even considering Hodgins a potential sleeper (given that first camp when he was possibly ahead of Davis for a minute). In completely related news: it was reported today that Hodgins is in fact currently on the shelf in OTAs. Oof. At this point he probably has a better chance of becoming an orthopedic surgeon than an NFL starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Looks like it’s going to be Stevenson vs. Tavon for that last WR spot. May the best man win. Love the competition we are bringing in the building. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Wonder if Allen could help unleash his talent...his QB list is a who's who of averageness... Sam Bradford...Nick Foles...Case Keenum...Jarod Goff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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