Kaepernick workout with Raiders...NFL encouraging teams to give him workouts

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Nah.

 

No one cares about kneeling or not kneeling anymore.  Players in every sports league are allowed to express themselves.  The NFL is all in on social justice awareness.

 

 

 

The fact that a guy who has been out of the league for several years and he is one of the top headlines for a tryout shows he's still a major topic.

I agree that people don't care about the kneeling as much now but he's still the figure head behind it.  If EJ Manuel got a try out with the Seahawks, would anyone care?  

[Santana]

10 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

For the team because half the questions the media will ask the players/coaches all year will be on kaepernick.

 

 

 

The raiders had so many terrible off the field issues last season, Kaepernick wouldn't even come close to being that kind of distraction. And they also had a player come out and say that he was openly gay. I think they'll be fine, they handled everything that was thrown at them really well.

[T master]

At best he could be a back up & then the circus that will follow him why would you want that kind of distraction in camp doesn't make a bunch of sense especially seeing as he hasn't played in such a long time or even tried seeing as there is the USFL now .

[PromoTheRobot]

The guy lost 6 prime career years. 

[LeGOATski]

43 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Think Tim Tebow 2.0. Sadly Kaepernick is polarizing to some for his kneeling to the flag, personally I had no issue with it but others do.

Distracting to a portion of the fans. He doesn't seem distracting to a team.

[Simon Says]

10 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

It is a privilege that numerous other lesser quarterbacks have enjoyed since the year Kaepernick was blackballed for having inconvenient opinions. You cutting his career in half and not even mentioning some of the straight up garbage QBs employed by NFL teams since that blackballing proves everything I need to know about you and your level of understanding of this. 

LOL!

[Bangarang]

Didn’t he call the NFL slavery?

[JaCrispy]

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Didn’t he call the NFL slavery?

He must have enjoyed the plantation...😉

[The Jokeman]

17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Distracting to a portion of the fans. He doesn't seem distracting to a team.

Unless the media asks players for comments on what he doing etc. It can be a distraction and/or some teams just don't want to be in a media circus, I see McDermott like that whereas someone like Rex Ryan loves being in one. 

[Captain Hindsight]

29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think McCoy said it best.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/lesean-mccoy-colin-kaepernick-not-talented-enough-distraction

 

RCHARD PARK, N.Y.  -- Buffalo Bills running back LeSean McCoy believes one reason teams haven't signed quarterback Colin Kaepernick is because he represents too much of a distraction for a player who would likely be a backup.

 

"It's a lot more than just he's not on the team because he doesn't want to stand for the national anthem," McCoy said at his locker on Thursday. "That may have something to do with it, but I think also it has a lot to do with his play."

 

Kaepernick remains unsigned after opting out of his contract with the San Francisco 49ers after last season. Some fans have complained that he is not with a team because owners and the NFL are punishing him for refusing to stand for the national anthem to protest police brutality against blacks.

 

"There's certain players that could be on the team with big distractions, and there's other players that it's not good enough or not worth it," McCoy said.

 

He said it's easier on teams to take on a distraction if it involves a star player such as Patriots quarterback Tom Brady or New York Giants receiver Odell Beckham Jr. He said that's not the case with Kaepernick because Kaepernick would have difficulty making some rosters.

 

"He's really not that good of a player, you know what I'm saying?" he said.

This is a fair take on the situation. If the anthem issue wasn't an issue, I think Kaep was probably a guy who fights for a backup job each year.

 

Should he have had opportunities purely for football? Probably. But his talent doesn't really justify the distraction (right or wrong)

[benderbender]

For those who forgot their own chosen narrative, Kaepernick was benched for Blaine Gabbert in the preseason before his crusade. He didn't dress and sat on the bench for the national anthem during the second preseason game. No one noticed. He did it again in the third preseason game. The media noticed the second time. The final preseason game is when he knelt for the first time.

 

He only became a crusader when he was called out for poor sportsmanship and a bad look for a former franchise QB. Suddenly, there was bigger fish to fry. Now that he had free time, he literally couldn't stand for something that had been apparently nagging him forever. He can believe what he wants, he's entitled to it. But your cause may not be a backpedal. 

[LeGOATski]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Unless the media asks players for comments on what he doing etc. It can be a distraction and/or some teams just don't want to be in a media circus, I see McDermott like that whereas someone like Rex Ryan loves being in one. 

Getting some questions about a teammate in a media session is not a "distraction." A distraction would be an actual toxic teammate. It could be a distraction for Derek Carr if his job is in jeopardy (which it honestly should be because they're not going anywhere with him.)

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

Getting some questions about a teammate in a media session is not a "distraction." A distraction would be an actual toxic teammate. It could be a distraction for Derek Carr if his job is in jeopardy (which it honestly should be because they're not going anywhere with him.)

So I guess you didn't mind Tim Tebow? I for one would hate to be his teammate.  Again not so much as the player but the media circus that surrounds him. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by The Jokeman

[LeGOATski]

10 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

This is a fair take on the situation. If the anthem issue wasn't an issue, I think Kaep was probably a guy who fights for a backup job each year.

 

Should he have had opportunities purely for football? Probably. But his talent doesn't really justify the distraction (right or wrong)

And this isn't nearly the circus it was 5 years ago, hence him getting a tryout now.

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

So I guess you didn't mind Tim Tebow? I for one would hate to be his teammate.  Again not so much as the player but the media circus that surrounds him. 

Players don't care. Players were fine with Tebow as a teammate. Fans, media, the team front office, on the other hand. They care. Like Shady said in that quote above, the team has to decide if they want the specific attention that player brings to their brand.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The fact that a guy who has been out of the league for several years and he is one of the top headlines for a tryout shows he's still a major topic.

I agree that people don't care about the kneeling as much now but he's still the figure head behind it.  If EJ Manuel got a try out with the Seahawks, would anyone care?  

 

what I meant was he wouldn't be very controversial roster spot due to the fact that the kneeling controversy has lost nearly all of its steam over the years. 

 

That leaves a more likely reason for his still struggling to get looks by the NFL being that teams feel he was on a significant decline before he left the league and hasn't played football in 6 years.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

Now he can't cry that he didn't get a shot. He's not good enough to hold a clipboard and he's a distraction. I'm glad the Bills won't waste time with him.

 

[Gugny]

16 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Players don't care. Players were fine with Tebow as a teammate. Fans, media, the team front office, on the other hand. They care. Like Shady said in that quote above, the team has to decide if they want the specific attention that player brings to their brand.

 

I get that the juice ain't worth the squeeze sometimes.

 

I think back to when the Eagles signed Vick, knowing there would be scrutiny.  But Vick was still a legitimate starter in the league and they felt that it was worth the circus it would bring.

 

Kaep's problem, initially, was that he wanted to be a starter and make starting QB money at a time during which his stock had fallen due to his on-field play.

 

However, I firmly believe that he WAS blackballed, because over the years, many teams went into seasons with starting QBs who were clearly worse than Colin Kaepernick ... including the Bills.

 

And here we are in 2022, seeing a sexual predator get a megadeal.  Seeing multiple woman abusers getting big contracts. 

 

We've seen players like Tyreek Hill and Joe Mixon beat the daylights out of their girlfriends, then get drafted high a year or two later.

 

Yet someone takes a stand against social injustice ... harming literally not one person on the planet ... and we watch teams start QBs like Nate Peterman, Jarrett Stidham, Tua Tonguoulahla;jhsda;fha, Gardner Minshew, Mason Rudolph, etc.  That is pathetic.

 

Again ... I understand not wanting the negative attention (all because he took a knee during a song) and I get that he was not an elite starting QB.  But to say that ZERO teams giving him a shot to compete is solely because of his play, to me, is pretty silly.

 

[In Summary]

Kaep's top priority hasn't been football.

[CoudyBills]

12 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

It is a privilege that numerous other lesser quarterbacks have enjoyed since the year Kaepernick was blackballed for having inconvenient opinions. You cutting his career in half and not even mentioning some of the straight up garbage QBs employed by NFL teams since that blackballing proves everything I need to know about you and your level of understanding of this. 

Very tolerant...well done.

[KDIGGZ]

He wasn't good at football 5 years ago. The only thing he could do is scramble. Now he's older and slower. This is just a PR stunt. There are really good college QB's that go undrafted that deserve a shot over this washed up clown. Guys like Kurt Warner weren't even given a chance out of school let alone as many chances as this guy has when he has already shown to be completely ungrateful of the opportunity

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Distracting to a portion of the fans. He doesn't seem distracting to a team.

I'm not so sure. 

 

Do you remember the gay LB that the Rams (I think) drafted a few years ago? I remember thinking that the guy was a fairly decent player in college but when he got to camp, he was awful. Well, he was in the news for quite some time, no? 

I think that CK, with his past, his upbringing, his apparent obstinance, and what seems to be a chip on his shoulder is much more of a conversation piece and more newsworthy to the media than a man who just happens to be gay. CK might serve as a distraction to a coach who is trying to instill a certain group mentality to his team.

Also, is CK a chronic malcontent? I don't know but if he is, I would not want to coach him, especially given his apparent lack of talent.

 

Of course, jmo.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Bill from NYC

[eball]

I'm not buying any of this "it would be too much of a distraction" talk.

 

Pretty simple -- coaches and GMs start their press conferences with "I'm not answering any questions about Colin Kaepernick.  We signed him with the hope he can help our team win football games."

 

I just can't take anyone seriously who says CK didn't deserve an opportunity to play in this league considering the absolute dogschitt we've seen at the QB position over the past five years (particularly backups).

 

He was blackballed and there's really no legitimate debate on that issue unless someone can prove to me that he turned down backup-level contract offers because he insisted on starting.  I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

 

[Bangarang]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

He must have enjoyed the plantation...😉

Strange that he’s working to rejoin the league he once criticized and called slavery as opposed to joining one of the other pro football leagues. 
 

It’s almost as if he’s willing to overlook certain things if it means he’d get the most money and exposure in the NFL? 

[Nextmanup]

NFL "encouraging" teams to give him a try?

 

I guess the league mandated black ball period has officially expired.

 

What a f-ing joke.

 

 

39 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

He wasn't good at football 5 years ago. The only thing he could do is scramble. Now he's older and slower. This is just a PR stunt. There are really good college QB's that go undrafted that deserve a shot over this washed up clown. Guys like Kurt Warner weren't even given a chance out of school let alone as many chances as this guy has when he has already shown to be completely ungrateful of the opportunity

Have you ever heard of a player named Nathan Peterman?

 

He has never been anything other than "so bad, he can't compete at the NFL level."

And yet HE is still kicking around this league! 

 

Kaep was totally black balled b/c he made too much fuss for the Man.

 

Period.

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

Man’s been washed since he got benched for Blaine Gabbert.   
 

Seemed a little out of it last time he “interviewed” 

[Big Turk]

39 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

NFL "encouraging" teams to give him a try?

 

I guess the league mandated black ball period has officially expired.

 

What a f-ing joke.

 

 

Have you ever heard of a player named Nathan Peterman?

 

He has never been anything other than "so bad, he can't compete at the NFL level."

And yet HE is still kicking around this league! 

 

Kaep was totally black balled b/c he made too much fuss for the Man.

 

Period.

 

 

 

Yeah the scroll on ESPN yesterday said the NFL was encouraging teams to give him workouts.

[White Linen]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yeah the scroll on ESPN yesterday said the NFL was encouraging teams to give him workouts.

 

I guess that's part of being enslaved that CK was talking about. 

[newcam2012]

I have ambivalent feelings about Kap. I think he offers little as a positive as a football player. Yet, I've always agreed with his stance for social justice. As weird as it sounds, I wouldn't mind him in a Bills uniform. I know its a bad football idea but something in me still wants him in the Bills' uniform. 

[Bob Lamb]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm not so sure. 

 

Do you remember the gay LB that the Rams (I think) drafted a few years ago? I remember thinking that the guy was a fairly decent player in college but when he got to camp, he was awful. Well, he was in the news for quite some time, no? 

I think that CK, with his past, his upbringing, his apparent obstinance, and what seems to be a chip on his shoulder is much more of a conversation piece and more newsworthy to the media than a man who just happens to be gay. CK might serve as a distraction to a coach who is trying to instill a certain group mentality to his team.

Also, is CK a chronic malcontent? I don't know but if he is, I would not want to coach him, especially given his apparent lack of talent.

 

Of course, jmo.

 I am sure - has not played in 6 (SIX) seasons !

 

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[Rico]

1 hour ago, eball said:

I'm not buying any of this "it would be too much of a distraction" talk.

 

Pretty simple -- coaches and GMs start their press conferences with "I'm not answering any questions about Colin Kaepernick.  We signed him with the hope he can help our team win football games."

 

I just can't take anyone seriously who says CK didn't deserve an opportunity to play in this league considering the absolute dogschitt we've seen at the QB position over the past five years (particularly backups).

 

He was blackballed and there's really no legitimate debate on that issue unless someone can prove to me that he turned down backup-level contract offers because he insisted on starting.  I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

 

I agree he was blackballed, I don’t think lack of talent had anything to him not being in the league. Then again, I have no problem with what happened to him either.  

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

I agree he was blackballed, I don’t think lack of talent had anything to him not being in the league. Then again, I have no problem with what happened to him either.  

Yeah I find it likely that, unofficially, the teams kind of made it clear to each other that the talent didn’t outweigh the baggage. 
 

Then throw in the whole thing with the ravens a couple years ago it kicks the can down the road some more. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Strange that he’s working to rejoin the league he once criticized and called slavery as opposed to joining one of the other pro football leagues. 
 

It’s almost as if he’s willing to overlook certain things if it means he’d get the most money and exposure in the NFL? 

Yeah.  I generally support people who make a political stand they feel strongly about as long as he’s willing to live with the consequences.  
 

After the workout snuff, the  settled lawsuit with the NFL, the Nike deal, and the Netflix show where he compared the NFL draft combine to slavery.  I think if he does get signed as a backup he’ll continue to be a provocateur with his politics and won’t be focused on football.  
 

I’d avoid signing him as he’s not worth the headache.

[Gugny]

17 minutes ago, Rico said:

I agree he was blackballed, I don’t think lack of talent had anything to him not being in the league. Then again, I have no problem with what happened to him either.  

 

At least you're honest.  Seriously; that's refreshing!!

[Brandon]

It seems to me that NFL isn't any different than any other business.  If an employee's behavior, actions or opinions potentially offend the customers,  the business may just decide that the negatives outweigh the positives and that the employee isn't worth keeping around,  even if they're otherwise good at their job.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Brandon

[Big Turk]

52 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I have ambivalent feelings about Kap. I think he offers little as a positive as a football player. Yet, I've always agreed with his stance for social justice. As weird as it sounds, I wouldn't mind him in a Bills uniform. I know its a bad football idea but something in me still wants him in the Bills' uniform. 

 

I don't think he is a great QB but he certainly is better than the majority of the backups in the league.

 

But I also can't blame teams that don't want a 3 ring circus around their team for a backup caliber player.

 

If they are going to put up with that it's going to be for someone who is talented enough to warrant it.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Big Turk

[LeGOATski]

21 minutes ago, Brandon said:

It seems to me that NFL isn't any different than any other business.  If an employee's behavior, actions or opinions potentially offend the customers,  the business may just decide that the negatives outweigh the positives and that the employee isn't worth keeping around,  even if they're otherwise good at their job.

That's exactly what the situation has been, IMO. And exactly what Shady McCoy was referring to.

[Rico]

48 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

At least you're honest.  Seriously; that's refreshing!!

I strive to make minty-fresh posts!

[The Red King]

17 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Distraction for who? Distracting to fans? Because I've never heard of teammates having any issues with him.

 

The moment the starter struggles, there will be calls to put him in.  Hell, if the starter is mediocre there will be calls.  And if he isn't put in, there will be people saying the team is discriminating against him.

 

If he does go in and plays poor or mediocre does he get pulled?  If he does, again, people will claim he's being discriminated against.

 

All of that is a hefty distraction teams don't need.  Is it fair to Kap?  No.  It's actually out of his hands to even control now.

 

Look beyond right and wrong.  Don't tell me what should happen, or who deserves what.   Can you honestly claim the scenarios I laid out above aren't valid?

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

NFL "encouraging" teams to give him a try?

 

I guess the league mandated black ball period has officially expired.

 

What a f-ing joke.

 

 

Have you ever heard of a player named Nathan Peterman?

 

He has never been anything other than "so bad, he can't compete at the NFL level."

And yet HE is still kicking around this league! 

 

Kaep was totally black balled b/c he made too much fuss for the Man.

 

Period.

 

 

 

Yes and No.

 

There is no doubt that Kaep is better than Peterman.  None at all.   And, btw, even though I'm a veteran who will stand for the flag every time, I respect Kaepernick's right to free speech and his effort to bring attention to an important issue.

 

But if you had a franchise QB - Josh Allen for example - how badly would you want Kaep as the backup?  Consider how much Allen's backups have played.  What kind of backup do you want?  Yeah, you want someone who can play if need be.  But you also want someone that's going to be a good advisor to Allen and a good teammate all around.    

 

If I was a GM or HC, part of me would want to sign Kaep because he does have talent.  But I'd have concerns, too.  Allen puts his team first.  Kaep puts his social causes first.  That makes him a good human being but it doesn't make him a guy you want on the roster.  

 

If I was a GM or HC with a crappy starter, I'd probably sign Kaep and let him compete.  But if I had a franchise guy like Allen or Mahomes, I'd stay away from Kaep.