GunnerBill Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) It's McCargo for me. Why? Because it was the holy trinity: 1 - a trade up, giving up TWO day 2 picks for the right take him late in the 1st; 2 - a huge reach on an average prospect, awful talent evaluation; 3 - a bad strategic decision to waste all that resource on a non-premium position..... spending a 1st and trading up to do so on a run stuffing defensive tackle. He started ONE game for the Bills in 5 seasons. Dreadful in every way. Edited April 25, 2022 by GunnerBill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, Dr. K said: Williams was a number 4 pick, and thus was more of a disappointment than Maybin. On the other hand, at least they got close to 50 starts out of Mike Williams, even if he wasn't very good. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I would say Williams because he was top 3 pick. Couldn't hack it at tackle. Figured he could have kicked inside to guard and at least had a career there but nope. And did he have an even shorter NFL career than Maybin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 34 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: That’s a doozy on this Monday morn…ironically, I’d wager without looking it up that dollars to donuts his YPC still on par with what our run game was doing under Dabs’ tenure outside of Allen? 🧐 You mock me, Sir? GOOD! Your homespun jocularity and good natured ribbing is one of the joys of the offseason and makes the time pass easily as we wait incessantly for the 2022 draft, which by the way and for the record is only 5,000 short hours from now, give or take a year! 😂 GO BILLS, HUDS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Sir Samuel Watkins..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 9 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: While I think Losman was bad, I don’t feel like he was talentless. I feel like he was ruined to some extent. He had a mean long ball, but sadly he couldn’t piece it together. Those Evans TDs were beautiful. That's all true. He wasn't the worst bust in terms of being the worst player, but in my opinion his failure had the biggest impact on cementing the legacy and culture of draught years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) I’m saying EJ only because he was a 1st round pick at QB and was below average at best. Sorry to say, I liked him, seemed like a great guy. Edited April 25, 2022 by wppete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 remember that hunter was taken before kelly -imagine the benefit of getting a decent player, let alone all-pro or star level for that pick during the super bowl era... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, chris heff said: Losman and Rogers were two different draft classes. Losman was 2004 and Rogers was 2005. That's exactly what I said. The move up to get Losman in 04' cost us our 1st round pick in 05' (pick 20) when Rodgers slid all the way to pick 24. Little known fact, 2005 was the last year the Bills would pick as late as 20th in the draft until 2020, when we traded our 1st round pick for Stefan Diggs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I think a lot of these votes have a lot of "recency bias". One guy I had to look up was Tuttle so I voted for him. Tuttle was a Bill back in 1982, another first round bust few can even remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Mike Williams. Without saying his name, Ross Tucker has talked a lot about a player who because of his draft spot and large salary the coaching staff couldn't get to do anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Booker had Guillian Barre syndrome, which left him paralyzed for a while. Not a whiff. Just horrible luck. The worst pick for me was taking Torrell Troupe the pick before the Pats took Gronk. Slight advantage Gronk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 11 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: I’m going to go with “modern” times NFL simply because prior to 1980, talent was fairly sporadic and a little more “forgiving” . Nowadays it’s fairly inexcusable to miss horribly on a 1st round pick. So who gets your vote as worse draft pick? Maybin was incredibly brutal to watch, but Williams and Flowers were ultra bad as well. First I love your user name bro. Anything heavy metal and then combining with the Bills is top notch!! All three of those guys were brutal. Mike Williams was so soft to play O line. Not sure what happened there. Guy had no drive no desire. Flowers was lousy. And Maybin was laughable how small he was to be playing rush end. He had limited production in college also. It should not be that hard to find players who are going to be at least decent (not superstar) pro football players if that is what you do all day for a living. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, SoTier said: What makes you think that Aaron Rodgers would have been anything but a mediocre QB on the Bills in the 2005-2009 period? Mularkey couldn't get much out of Pro Bowler Drew Bledsoe in 2004-2005 and Jauron seemed to have a pathological dislike for talented players who didn't toe his play-not-to-lose-by-too-much line. Captain Checkdown Trent Edwards was Juaron's style QB. He banished Beast Mode Marshawn Lynch to his "doghouse" in 2009 when Lynch was the only offense the Bills had. Rodgers would have clashed with Jauron instantly simply because he wanted to win football games not play not to lose them by too much. I would have taken Rodgers,our 2004 2nd, and 5th over Losman. The amount we gave up for him was brutal. We actually had an effective offense as well with Mularkey in 2004 which would have likely fit Rodgers playing style. We regressed from coming within a game of making the playoffs in 2004 to a proverbial tire fire in 2005 when we tried to give JP the reins and that was the end of the MM tenure as head coach which lead us to the height of the drought days with Jauron. History would have been different had we not moved up for the “4th best QB in the draft”. Edited April 25, 2022 by BillsfaninChicago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: First I love your user name bro. Anything heavy metal and then combining with the Bills is top notch!! All three of those guys were brutal. Mike Williams was so soft to play O line. Not sure what happened there. Guy had no drive no desire. Flowers was lousy. And Maybin was laughable how small he was to be playing rush end. He had limited production in college also. It should not be that hard to find players who are going to be at least decent (not superstar) pro football players if that is what you do all day for a living. It’s honestly embarrassing. Pretty much the reason we have sucked for decades. As much as I rag on Beane (He can do better), it’s amazing the level of play differences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMWR100RT Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Manuel #1. Mostly because the regime wasted two #1s on Sammy Watkins the next year to try and prove they hadn't reached for EJ. So I look at it as two wasted #1 picks. Tell me where my logic is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: It's McCargo for me. Why? Because it was the holy trinity: 1 - a trade up, giving up TWO day 2 picks for the right take him late in the 1st; 2 - a huge reach on an average prospect, awful talent evaluation; 3 - a bad strategic decision to waste all that resource on a non-premium position..... spending a 1st and trading up to do so on a run stuffing defensive tackle. He started ONE game for the Bills in 5 seasons. Dreadful in every way. Also scary the Bills wanted a DT that badly that they’d give up so much in a trade up when board/fan favorite Haloti Ngata was available earlier in the round. They inexplicably chose Donte Whitner at 8th overall I believe, talk about a comedy of errors. Ngata said years later he was sure he’d be a Buffalo Bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, BMWR100RT said: Manuel #1. Mostly because the regime wasted two #1s on Sammy Watkins the next year to try and prove they hadn't reached for EJ. So I look at it as two wasted #1 picks. Tell me where my logic is wrong. It’s why I included him in the poll. I almost included Losman, but at least he had a 3k season before everything went into the toilet. He really only had Lee Evans to work with and when he did, he made things happen. The rest of the team was garbage and he sustained a cheap shot. He was still bad, but I didn’t think he was Manuel bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I know the rule is post - 1980 but I always go to Fred Swendson in these types of polls. Fred was Walt Patulski's running mate at DE at Norte Dame and was our #3 round pick in 1972 draft. We had first pick in each round and with less teams, first pick in third round back then was pick #53. Today that would basically be mid second round pick. Fred barely made it out of his first training camp and was cut before opening day. To my knowledge, never played a down in the NFL. Top that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Also scary the Bills wanted a DT that badly that they’d give up so much in a trade up when board/fan favorite Haloti Ngata was available earlier in the round. They inexplicably chose Donte Whitner at 8th overall I believe, talk about a comedy of errors. Ngata said years later he was sure he’d be a Buffalo Bill. Lol good ol Wiffner. I almost included him as well, but he wasn’t as terrible as the other choices I listed. Edited April 25, 2022 by IronMaidenBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: That's exactly what I said. The move up to get Losman in 04' cost us our 1st round pick in 05' (pick 20) when Rodgers slid all the way to pick 24. Little known fact, 2005 was the last year the Bills would pick as late as 20th in the draft until 2020, when we traded our 1st round pick for Stefan Diggs. You’re right that is what you said, I misread it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 2 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: Booker had Guillian Barre syndrome, which left him paralyzed for a while. Not a whiff. Just horrible luck. The worst pick for me was taking Torrell Troupe the pick before the Pats took Gronk. Slight advantage Gronk. Horrible luck, but also a horrible pick in the 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I normally limit busts to first round picks, but James Hardy (RIP) was selected 41st overall by the Bills. Ended up catching 10 passes for 96 yards in his two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 no OJ…. Williams because if the consensus expectations by all experts maybin was a reach/ boom- bust type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 12 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: While I think Losman was bad, I don’t feel like he was talentless. I feel like he was ruined to some extent. He had a mean long ball, but sadly he couldn’t piece it together. Those Evans TDs were beautiful. Agreed. I always thought with better coaching, JP had a chance to be a good player. He was very talented, just wasn't consistent enough 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 9 hours ago, unbillievable said: Is it really a "bust" if everyone expected him to do nothing? Wow Mayock really nailed that. cant play the run, too small, but fast first step. One down player What a whiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I went to the draft the year we got Mike Williams and remember being SO excited. He gets my vote simply for being drafted so high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I mean, Sammy Watkins should probably be on there. We traded away a first round pick to move up to get him. He had a few good games in Buffalo, but was hampered by injuries a lot of the time, then traded away and has been just a role player on other teams since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Williams was by far the biggest BUST, because he looked every bit like a no-brainer pick, and he tanked. Maybin was the worst PICK, because it looked bad on draft day, and stayed bad. I don't even consider Maybin a bust, because it was pretty obvious he was not an NFL lineman. Of the rest, Flowers was pretty busty, but the rest of those guys were just reaches that didn't pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 id like to say Maybin, but tbh i didnt expect much out of him. he was a reach pick and everybody knew it. Williams was supposed to be a sure fire Pro Bowl type guy. then theres Donte Whitner. while not being a bust so to speak, the use of a prime pick on a safety puts him in the conversation for me. not his fault where he got drafted, but i feel like hes another guy that wasnt worth that pick spot. my pick is Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I voted Maybin, but Sammy Watkins deserves consideration. He wasn't a "bust" per se, but when you evaluate what we gave up to get him, where we took him in the draft, and what he contributed to the team in his career as a Bill, he was one of the biggest "draft miscalculations" in modern Bills history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Mike Williams clearly was the BIGGEST bust out of that list…. Both figuratively and literally….He was drafted really high! #1? Something like that…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 6 hours ago, SoTier said: That wasn't Nix. He might have been on the Bills staff at that time, but it was Brandon and Jauron running the draft in 2009. Jauron loved smurfs on defense because they were supposed to be faster (I still remember watching Bills LBs regularly being dragging downfield by RBs). IIRC, Maybin had straight line speed even at 240 lbs (which was like 30+ lbs more than his playing weight at PSU) but he didn't have much agility so he couldn't develop the kinds of moves that lighter edge rushers use to get to QBs. They really pigeon-holed themselves that year because Jauron was pounding the table for an edge rusher. IIRC, the real culprit was the late Tom Modrak, who had a disdain for Texas players and passed on Orakpo in favor of Maybin. I voted for Maybin because he was absolutely worthless from day one -- and was a major holdout in training camp. Maybin, in fact, should be a poster child for why the NFL was smart to slot (and cap) rookie salaries 2 years later. It doesn't even take hindsight to say that everyone should have known better -- he was not especially productive at Penn State, was under-sized AND slow. So it is hard to argue that he was drafted for either on-field evidence or upside potential. He had a nice looking burst coming out of his stance -- but recorded something like a 4.9 forty at the combine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The thing with Aaron Maybin is that he was always looked at as a "boom or bust" like prospect when we took him with the 11th pick. He was a one year wonder and only played two years of College. Mike Williams was considered a "can't miss" prospect with All Pro potential and we took him 4th overall. Maybin's running away with it and to me, it's obviously Mike Williams and it's not even close. I don't watch college ball. I get caught up on draft prospects before the draft by watching some highlight film and reading what the gurus say. What I remember about Maybin is that everyone talked about how quick his first step was. It seemed to be his only attribute. And while he was productive for one season, he didn't look worthy of a first round draft pick in his highlight reel. I admit, I did buy into the Mike Williams hype. And I thought JP Losman would be a serviceable starter. In other words, my methodology of evaluating picks has been terribly flawed. But even I had to question Maybin. Everything I read and saw said he wasn't a first-rounder. I could never understand why we drafted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 13 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: Maybin, because the Bills became the laughingstock of 31 NFL front offices. I doubt anyone else had him ranked above a 3rd rounder. This is not meant as a defense of Maybin by any means (I voted for Mike Williams b/c of higher pick but thought about choosing Maybin for a second); however, I'm not a fan of revisionist history for exaggeration. It's possible what you say is true, and of course reporters' mocks and front office opinions aren't always the same, but Maybin was a 1st round pick in pretty much every mock draft at that point. He had boom-or-bust potential, but had he dropped to the 3rd that would have been huge news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Erik Flowers and Aaron Maybin need to be high on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 25, 2022 Author Share Posted April 25, 2022 Maybin absolutely demolishing the polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 What’s worse about Losman, who isn’t the biggest bust, is like 3 fold. The Bills were trying to trade up from # 13 to 9 with the Jaguars to take Roethlisberger who was dropping down the board but Jacksonville refused because they had to have Reggie Williams who turned out to be a huge bust. 2nd , Losman was an early 2nd round projection and the Bills traded up with the Cowboys surrendering their 1st the next year after missing out on all 3 QBs and settling for the 4th which was a reach 3rd, next year Aaron Rodgers fell in the draft and the Bills could have nabbed him if they didn’t reach for Losman the year before 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 On 4/24/2022 at 11:59 PM, Dan Darragh said: Maybin, because the Bills became the laughingstock of 31 NFL front offices. I doubt anyone else had him ranked above a 3rd rounder. By this token Manuel deserves a mention, although I remember the panic about getting a QB in a draft that had no legitimate starter candidates. At least if we'd taken Geno we'd have taken a guy who stayed around the league a long time. But I think EJ was a stand-up guy and he took the criticism like a man. Sounds like this year. Good luck to Pittsburgh, Carolina, Atlanta, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 12 hours ago, Big Turk said: Erik Flowers and Aaron Maybin need to be high on the list. Flowers was taken too high. He was projected much lower but Wade Phillips fell in love with him at the Combine I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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