OldTimer1960 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Who are the players that you DON’T want the Bills to take in round 1? For me: Zion Johnson, Kenyon Green, Tyler Linderbaum: Good interior OL and that is a need, BUT not super special and IOL is not a premium position. Of the 3, could maybe see Green because he could fill in at T in a pinch. Jordon Davis: I’m not a full believer, but mainly the Bills have DT covered for this season. Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker: they are good, not great prospects. Without better OL play, no RB will really be much better than Singletary. Any of the LBs - Unless they are moving on from Edmunds, no room this year. For me, only positions for consideration (except for extreme value at another spot) are: CB or S that can play CB, OT or OT that can move to OG, WR (outside, or reluctantly a slot WR like Dotson) 3 6 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Good topic really for many of us I might bet. I think you have to look at linebacker to upgrade. Do agree about O lIne play and what it means to the running game. Hoping Kromer finds the answers for us. PS I think that Aaron Beach chairs Kromer coaching might be enough to "upgrade the line OT/OG CB. No one will argue with you there 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Matt Araiza or a QB 😏 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Kaiir Elam. Not a McBeane CB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) No Treylon Burks... Like Joe Marino, I have always seen him as a mid to late 2nd round talent... Edited April 15, 2022 by JaCrispy 2 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Scrubs, I don't want no scrubs 3 10 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Any DLine and we riot! 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Any running back 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) Christian Watson. A tall, fast kid who couldn't even dominate FCS competition, nor even put up 1,000 yards in a single season, and only had a total of 3 100yd games in 4 years. That's a negative Ghost Rider. Edited April 15, 2022 by H2o 7 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Don't fall for the 1st round RB meme spreading here 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 CB or WR 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I would. It draft OJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Imo, for this year, (because things change year to year) If they are not a serious threat to either score points for us, or prevent points being scored on us, on a nearly every play basis, they should pass on the player in the first round, but what do I know… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I wouldn't draft a QB or kicker at all. Probably no defensive linemen either. I might draft a good punter in R7, but no higher. I'd also wait until the mid rounds at LB and S...maybe 5-7 on the latter. For me, RB, WR, TE, OL, and CB would all be of at least some interest at 25 and for every round until addressed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Jahan Dotson 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 53 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Who are the players that you DON’T want the Bills to take in round 1? For me: Zion Johnson, Kenyon Green, Tyler Linderbaum: Good interior OL and that is a need, BUT not super special and IOL is not a premium position. Of the 3, could maybe see Green because he could fill in at T in a pinch. Jordon Davis: I’m not a full believer, but mainly the Bills have DT covered for this season. Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker: they are good, not great prospects. Without better OL play, no RB will really be much better than Singletary. Any of the LBs - Unless they are moving on from Edmunds, no room this year. For me, only positions for consideration (except for extreme value at another spot) are: CB or S that can play CB, OT or OT that can move to OG, WR (outside, or reluctantly a slot WR like Dotson) Zion Johnson, Green and Lloyd at LB are definite possibilities. Could see the Bills playing a lot of 4-3, and Johnson and Greene could play a lot if starters get hurt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 40 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Scrubs, I don't want no scrubs scrubs are the guys who can't get no love from me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Who are the players that you DON’T want the Bills to take in round 1? For me: Zion Johnson, Kenyon Green, Tyler Linderbaum: Good interior OL and that is a need, BUT not super special and IOL is not a premium position. Of the 3, could maybe see Green because he could fill in at T in a pinch. Jordon Davis: I’m not a full believer, but mainly the Bills have DT covered for this season. Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker: they are good, not great prospects. Without better OL play, no RB will really be much better than Singletary. Any of the LBs - Unless they are moving on from Edmunds, no room this year. For me, only positions for consideration (except for extreme value at another spot) are: CB or S that can play CB, OT or OT that can move to OG, WR (outside, or reluctantly a slot WR like Dotson) I think Jordan Davis might be a pocket crusher….If so, he value goes way up, imho…. You know, a guy, when you really need a play, can knock back a couple OL and mess up the play; a Ted Washington type. If he is that, I want him (though I don’t Billieve this regime would take him. And besides, we have questionable DTs…no stars on our DT spots as far as we know. I have a big question re: these high rated Safeties. If they could play outside CB well, wouldn’t they be outside CBs? The more valuable position? If they can’t play outside, we don’t need them (unless we trade a Safety but then we’d still need a corner). I really don’t know how good these guards are? If they are special in both run and pass blocking I’m very good with it; especially run blocking. A great pulling LG that can also handle power rushers… I’d love it at 25. If you’re right and they aren’t special, I agree with you. If there is any chance either top back is there in the second, I think I’d pull the trigger…. My dream finish to this offseason: Sign Gilmore for two years at something reasonable (this may be impossible but it is a dream). Draft BEst WR available, probably Watson. His ceiling makes me super excited… 2nd rd. Somehow Hall falls to 57. 3rd rd. Best CB available (almost all scenarios still have a quality prospect nearly of talent of the second round choices). 4th rd. Best OG available…Beane strikes gold on the OL again. 5th LB. We need competition for the backup roles. 6th P, If we have a shot at a great one otherwise the seventh 6th OT we need competition for Doyle 7th CB….. both outside corners, if they’re out in the 7th take a S. We’re good at slot. I don’t see how we don’t win it all this way….. I think we need it all to build a great team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, CNY315 said: CB or WR you do not want CB or WR in the first? 1 hour ago, Max Fischer said: Zion Johnson, Green and Lloyd at LB are definite possibilities. Could see the Bills playing a lot of 4-3, and Johnson and Greene could play a lot if starters get hurt. It's very likely good value at OL or LB is going to fall to 25. if really going BPA that is a strong possibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Who are the players that you DON’T want the Bills to take in round 1? For me: Zion Johnson, Kenyon Green, Tyler Linderbaum: Good interior OL and that is a need, BUT not super special and IOL is not a premium position. Of the 3, could maybe see Green because he could fill in at T in a pinch. Jordon Davis: I’m not a full believer, but mainly the Bills have DT covered for this season. Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker: they are good, not great prospects. Without better OL play, no RB will really be much better than Singletary. Any of the LBs - Unless they are moving on from Edmunds, no room this year. For me, only positions for consideration (except for extreme value at another spot) are: CB or S that can play CB, OT or OT that can move to OG, WR (outside, or reluctantly a slot WR like Dotson) I’m not against any positions; especially trench players. An all pro or multiple probowl trench Player on either side of the ball is 100% worth the 25th pick in the draft. Particularly when they’ll be locked into a low cost 5-year contract. LBer can be considered cost control on a necessary position. As much as Edmunds is solid, his lack of splash plays and intuition means that a player coating $3MM a year may be much better value than Edmunds at $10MM+ a year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 48 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: I’m not against any positions; especially trench players. An all pro or multiple probowl trench Player on either side of the ball is 100% worth the 25th pick in the draft. Particularly when they’ll be locked into a low cost 5-year contract. LBer can be considered cost control on a necessary position. As much as Edmunds is solid, his lack of splash plays and intuition means that a player coating $3MM a year may be much better value than Edmunds at $10MM+ a year. So are you saying Edmunds is replaceable at a much cheaper price? If so, I agree 100%. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: So are you saying Edmunds is replaceable at a much cheaper price? If so, I agree 100%. Yeah but unless you’re moving him before this season, it makes no sense to use a first round pick on a guy who would not likely see the field much. Gotta use that pick on someone who will make a difference this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: you do not want CB or WR in the first? Just thought I'd provide some balance to the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Interesting topic.... so obviously I don't want anyone in the first who is not a 1st round talent. But luckily John Schneider is the GM in Seattle not Buffalo. Agree with the OP: 1. No to any of the interior OL guys 2. No to any of the running backs 3. No to any tight end Of the guys we have been linked with at the premium spots...... my "No" in round 1 guys are: 1. Trent McDuffie. The arm length is a thing but also I just think he is low ceiling. Love his firey competitiveness. Just think as an outside corner against the top receivers ultimately his limitations will be shown up. 2. Jahan Dotson. On the rare occasions in college that he faced press coverage at the line he struggled. If he can't get off press in the NFL that makes him a slot only. That isn't worth first round investment. Again, low ceiling. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 For me, a 1st round no is RB. There is no one dynamic enough to take in the first round that truly stands out from the pack in college football. I think the RB depth is there. Someone may like Hall or Walker enough to take near the bottom of round 1 and that's okay, but it's just not for me in this year's draft. There are other guys we could get a bit later like: - Allgeier - Cook - Spiller - Robinson - Ford - White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Breece Hall… no thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Aaron Maybin Mike Williams Erik Flowers JP Losman Walt Patulski 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 11 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Scrubs, I don't want no scrubs No under-sized "one hit wonders" on the DL or at LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 11 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Scrubs, I don't want no scrubs Unless…they eventually put a ring on it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 12 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Scrubs, I don't want no scrubs Exactly! Don't go chasing waterfalls out there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 12 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Who are the players that you DON’T want the Bills to take in round 1? For me: Zion Johnson, Kenyon Green, Tyler Linderbaum: Good interior OL and that is a need, BUT not super special and IOL is not a premium position. Of the 3, could maybe see Green because he could fill in at T in a pinch. Jordon Davis: I’m not a full believer, but mainly the Bills have DT covered for this season. Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker: they are good, not great prospects. Without better OL play, no RB will really be much better than Singletary. Any of the LBs - Unless they are moving on from Edmunds, no room this year. For me, only positions for consideration (except for extreme value at another spot) are: CB or S that can play CB, OT or OT that can move to OG, WR (outside, or reluctantly a slot WR like Dotson) I was in on interior line, but i sort of agree. I just don't want to wait too long either. I like the idea of a davis, but its just... so far down the list of things. How does that help us beat a KC, or Chargers? I think it helps against a patriots or colts but... the entire defensive line has changed Hate backs in the first - Hall has a lot of production which is fine... I just don't love it. LB is a sneaky need - but even with edmunds missing some time a year ago Klein only played 25% of snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 A punter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, mushypeaches said: Aaron Maybin Mike Williams Erik Flowers JP Losman Walt Patulski Tuttle is somehow ok now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Tuttle is somehow ok now? Sorry, it hurt my head too much to try to do a comprehensive review of all our first round failures. These were just the low-hanging fruit, but I know that the tree isn't bare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I think we can be confident that Beane does due diligence +++++ on every relevant talent in the draft. This is not restricted to positions of need. Most on here would say a giant “no” is QB and I think that is 100% correct if you’re only considering someone who would start this year. With that said what if: 1. Beane saw no one at 25 he envisioned as a day 1 starter, who he couldn’t get 10 picks later or who he thought would earn a 5th year extension for certain…..that is possible in this year’s draft IMO….and/.or 2. He sees three+ relatively equal players he likes still on the board and likely to be available for 10ish picks and 3. As rumored QBs are all slipping. Personally I don’t think this happens but let’s say it does and/or 4. He truly sees one of the QBs as a real talent in the NFL with high confidence like he had in Allen Trading down is a real possibility here and I think the targets would be the Lions who have 32/34, the Falcons who have 43, Houston at 37, the Giants at 36, Seattle at 40/41 and a very slim chance of Tampa at 27. GB, the Steelers, Arz, could all pre-empt this move by doing the same but let’s say they don’t. KC could also desire to do this but they are behind us. Let’s say it gets to 25 intact If Beane doesn’t get the trade down done but: 1. He truly loves a particular QB, let’s say Malik Willis 2. He knows Houston, Seattle and Detroit all want him and are either expecting him to last or expecting to pick up one of KC’s picks. 3. He tries to trade out but they all play chicken with him thinking he can’t draft Willis and their offer to KC will be best Is there anyone on here that thinks Beane doesn’t have the guts to draft Willis and either: 1. Immediately double the demands he had been making for the trade down or 2. Draft him based on his evaluation knowing that this will pay off even bigger down the road? Beane 10000000000000% has the guts to do that and will; especially bullet 1 That’s why saying “no” to QB at 25 is incorrect. I fully understand that the scenario above is pretty unlikely to play out. For instance I don’t think Pitt passes on a QB at 20 or GB misses the same opportunity but unlikely is not the same as impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 12 hours ago, newcam2012 said: So are you saying Edmunds is replaceable at a much cheaper price? If so, I agree 100%. Yes. Most LBers are replaceable. I doubt they’ll find a guy with Edmunds physical abilities as the guy’s a freak. However, a more instinctive player could very well outperform him in several ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 15, 2022 Author Share Posted April 15, 2022 3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: I think we can be confident that Beane does due diligence +++++ on every relevant talent in the draft. This is not restricted to positions of need. Most on here would say a giant “no” is QB and I think that is 100% correct if you’re only considering someone who would start this year. With that said what if: 1. Beane saw no one at 25 he envisioned as a day 1 starter, who he couldn’t get 10 picks later or who he thought would earn a 5th year extension for certain…..that is possible in this year’s draft IMO….and/.or 2. He sees three+ relatively equal players he likes still on the board and likely to be available for 10ish picks and 3. As rumored QBs are all slipping. Personally I don’t think this happens but let’s say it does and/or 4. He truly sees one of the QBs as a real talent in the NFL with high confidence like he had in Allen Trading down is a real possibility here and I think the targets would be the Lions who have 32/34, the Falcons who have 43, Houston at 37, the Giants at 36, Seattle at 40/41 and a very slim chance of Tampa at 27. GB, the Steelers, Arz, could all pre-empt this move by doing the same but let’s say they don’t. KC could also desire to do this but they are behind us. Let’s say it gets to 25 intact If Beane doesn’t get the trade down done but: 1. He truly loves a particular QB, let’s say Malik Willis 2. He knows Houston, Seattle and Detroit all want him and are either expecting him to last or expecting to pick up one of KC’s picks. 3. He tries to trade out but they all play chicken with him thinking he can’t draft Willis and their offer to KC will be best Is there anyone on here that thinks Beane doesn’t have the guts to draft Willis and either: 1. Immediately double the demands he had been making for the trade down or 2. Draft him based on his evaluation knowing that this will pay off even bigger down the road? Beane 10000000000000% has the guts to do that and will; especially bullet 1 That’s why saying “no” to QB at 25 is incorrect. I fully understand that the scenario above is pretty unlikely to play out. For instance I don’t think Pitt passes on a QB at 20 or GB misses the same opportunity but unlikely is not the same as impossible. I hear you, but that would take big ones for sure. What if he gets stuck with a QB as his first round pick and can’t unload him for what he paid? That is an unmitigated disaster scenario. Different story at the end of the 2nd, but then nobody wants a QB who was unpicked in 2 full rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 no busts....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Not a fan of Treylon Burks. It freaks me out when I do mock drafts, and he is the best WR available at 25. I’m thinking that a trade up might be necessary if Beane likes Olave or Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 13 hours ago, Rubes said: Yeah but unless you’re moving him before this season, it makes no sense to use a first round pick on a guy who would not likely see the field much. Gotta use that pick on someone who will make a difference this season. If they draft his replacement, he’s traded for anything they can get to salary dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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