aristocrat Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Edmunds isn't going anywhere. What if the Bills trade edmunds, and pickup Bobby Wagner in free agency who is looking for a 1 year deal? We move up for a top cb and even save 2 mil in cap space. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, John from Riverside said: Beane just doesnt let this kind of info out Could be any team he’s called to move up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 We all agree that 8 rookies are not making this roster and that, therefore, trade-ups are likely. Wouldn’t shock me if they thought that getting an elite corner on a cost-controlled 5-year deal was worth the cost of moving up and might be the “finishing touch” on this roster. 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Edmunds isn't going anywhere. I still wouldn't rule it out given the amount of cap space it would free up and the fact we aren't likely paying him upwards of $15M - $20M a year going forward. It makes too much sense to move him now instead of keeping him for a lame duck season even if he were to put together his best NFL season in a contract year (which would make him even more expensive anyway). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: What if the Bills trade edmunds, and pickup Bobby Wagner in free agency who is looking for a 1 year deal? We move up for a top cb and even save 2 mil in cap space. Only thing I would say is if Edmunds were being shopped we’d have heard about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Beane just doesnt let this kind of info out 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Could be any team he’s called to move up. I second Buffalo_Stampede’s comment, but also…I could see this getting out if Beane WANTS it to get out for strategic reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, Logic said: Zig is good. I’m not saying this is a lead pipe lock, but it’s also not nothing. Don’t be surprised if it happens. And for the love of God, let’s not turn this into a Tremaine Edmunds thread! A perpetual Josh Allen trade is in the works! Every year Josh Allen goes to the worst team in the NFL, and in return the Buffalo Bills get the first pick in the NFL draft. This year we get the 1st overall pick and the Jags get Allen. Next year maybe the Falcons get Josh Allen, and we get the first pick in the draft. Maybe Indy starts tanking just to get Josh Allen for 1 year. Suddenly really good players are taking pay cuts to go to terrible organizations so they can be around Josh Allen (in shorts!). 6 years later the Bills have 4 firsts and 6 seconds just by trading out of the pick and/or perpetually trading QB's. This happens for eternity/until Josh Allen dies. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Gotta be!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Logic said: The two key questions here: Who would the Bills be moving up for? What veterans have trade value? The logical answers to the first question would seem to be a corner or WR. Maybe they really like Derek Stingley or Jameson Williams. The only answers I could come up with to the second question are Tremaine Edmunds and Zack Moss. Interesting report. I can’t see them moving up TOO high, as it would cost a ton to get from 25th into the top 10. Maybe they just want to get inside the top 20 to ensure they get one of these WRs or CBS before the talent level drops off. I will add to your insights here. Moss for sure could be dealt. Edmunds woiuld be a tough trade to make unless new team knows they can extend to buy down Yr 1 cap hit. As for who they are targeting I agree there may be a CB or WR they feel they must secure. Matches the high cost position theory - stack talent on different contracts to survive loss of a key player in the future (Diggs or White) I believe Cody Ford and Epenesa could also be on the block. Why? OBD re-signed 2 Gs and added another IOL in FA. and we are meeting with a bunch of IOLs in draft process. Not that OBD will take a G high. As for DE, the draft is full of Edge talent and Shaq Lawson > Aj Epenesa imho, so why not deal AJ at this point. Miller, Groot, Boogie and Shaq give them 4 DEs and they can draft another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, freddyjj said: I will add to your insights here. Moss for sure could be dealt. Edmunds woiuld be a tough trade to make unless new team knows they can extend to buy down Yr 1 cap hit. As for who they are targeting I agree there may be a CB or WR they feel they must secure. Matches the high cost position theory - stack talent on different contracts to survive loss of a key player in the future (Diggs or White) I believe Cody Ford and Epenesa could also be on the block. Why? OBD re-signed 2 Gs and added another IOL in FA. and we are meeting with a bunch of IOLs in draft process. Not that OBD will take a G high. As for DE, the draft is full of Edge talent and Shaq Lawson > Aj Epenesa imho, so why not deal AJ at this point. Miller, Groot, Boogie and Shaq give them 4 DEs and they can draft another. You package together Moss, Ford, and Epenesa- you get from 25 to 24. 1 11 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Bills under Beane have gotten very aggressive with moving up when they see someone they want...multiple moves to get up to 7 to draft Allen, first trading our LT to Cincy and swapping picks to get to 12 and then giving up 2 2nds to move from 12 to 7 with TB. Also moved up to get Edmunds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, ngbills said: Depends what veteran means. In traditional sense it would be guys like: Hyde Poyer White Diggs Dawkins Lawson Phillips would Edmunds be a veteran? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Logic said: Yeah I’ve heard the Giants want to turn one of their 1sts into a 2023 1st. I wonder if the Bills would trade #25 and next year’s first for Sauce Gardner or Derek Stingley. They certainly seem to be in an aggressive “win now” mindset, and while it would suck to give up next year’s 1st, corner IS a high value position, and a White/Stingley or White/Gardner pairing could take this defense to the next level. The presence of close Beane buddy Joe Schoen in the top ten — twice, no less — and wanting to trade down is certainly interesting… We could possibly get up to 7… framework would be somewhat similar to the Bills/Chiefs trade in 2017. For reference that was… 2017 1st (27th) 2017 3rd (91st) 2018 1st FOR 2017 1st (10th) If we did something like… 2022 1st (25th) 2022 3rd (89th) 2023 1st FOR 2022 1st (7th) You get pretty close on the trade chart… 1500 in exchange for 1200… not quite there yet. That’s where the veteran comes in… kick in a guy like Moss to make it work? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Just now, RyanC883 said: would Edmunds be a veteran? Anyone past their rookie year is technically a vet. And regardless of what the apologists will tell you, having played 4 years is a solid vet career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Kyle Hamilton is the defensive player McDermott has been wanting since he’s arrived in Buffalo. Is Hamilton really better than Dax Hill, who will probably be available at 25? Debatable… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Bills under Beane have gotten very aggressive with moving up when they see someone they want...multiple moves to get up to 7 to draft Allen, first trading our LT to Cincy and swapping picks to get to 12 and then giving up 2 2nds to move from 12 to 7 with TB. Also moved up to get Edmunds. Great point. So again the key question is… Who might Beane be “in love” with? Gotta be a corner, right? It’s a high value enough position that moving up for an elite one makes sense. If we’re talking “elite”, Gardner and Stingley seem like the two possibilities. Of those two, I’m not sure which is more of a Beane guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Who's trading down in the 1st for Edmunds and Moss? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 They could be talking about Rd 2... (Breece Hall truthers unite!) 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, aristocrat said: What if the Bills trade edmunds, and pickup Bobby Wagner in free agency who is looking for a 1 year deal? We move up for a top cb and even save 2 mil in cap space. yep, if we move up I'm thinking it's for a CB that we are specifically targeting. Otherwise, I can't see moving for a WR or OL, or anything else. I more likely see us moving up in Rd. 2. Lots of good, day 1 players should be available at 25, and you could get another by moving up in Rd. 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 This isn’t a roster that needs 7-10 draft picks on the roster. Half of them won’t make the team. It’s probably the most complete roster in the nfl. I’d absolutely move up. I’d rather have 2 big time players then 8 draft picks that won’t even crack the roster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Not for Sauce Gardner. Elite CB. He may very well go in the top 5…it would cost way too much…plus our zone-heavy defense doesn’t require that type of CB with elite man-to-man coverage ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, SCBills said: Diggs would be a blockbuster trade, not a “move a veteran to move up in the draft”. Moss might have 5th round pick value, at the most. Edmunds & Singletary are the only ones with “move up” value that make any sense to me. Our Safeties & Milano being the wild cards. Singletary would get us from 25 to MAYBE 24.8 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I anticipate a move up. Doesn't mean it'll be in the first round. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: If we won’t draft Breece Hall, my next best choice is Sauce Gardner. Would absolutely trade up for him. Would you give up the entire draft plus next years first for Sauce? Might be nonsense, but lots of smoke has sauce to the jets @ 4. Trading from 25 to 2-3 is gonna be expensive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: We could possibly get up to 7… framework would be somewhat similar to the Bills/Chiefs trade in 2017. For reference that was… 2017 1st (27th) 2017 3rd (91st) 2018 1st FOR 2017 1st (10th) If we did something like… 2022 1st (25th) 2022 3rd (89th) 2023 1st FOR 2022 1st (7th) You get pretty close on the trade chart… 1500 in exchange for 1200… not quite there yet. That’s where the veteran comes in… kick in a guy like Moss to make it work? I should say… I’m not REALLY an advocate and of this. Although I absolutely am in love with Sauce Gardner I’d actually like to move out of RD1 unless surprise guy falls to 25. I just don’t love the value there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Fake news nothing ever gets leaked with beane 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Matt Barkley should take us all the way up to the 1st overall pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Logic said: Great point. So again the key question is… Who might Beane be “in love” with? Gotta be a corner, right? It’s a high value enough position that moving up for an elite one makes sense. If we’re talking “elite”, Gardner and Stingley seem like the two possibilities. Of those two, I’m not sure which is more of a Beane guy. Oh, close call. I'd take Stingley I think given higher level of competition faced. Also, I think both are better "man" than zone corners (according to something I read), but not sure if that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Not if you are looking for a stud DB who could be even better than Tre White, but other than that I would tend to agree the Bills should (and ultimately probably will) stay put. Agree, me thinks that Beane wants that special Sauce (Gardner). That’s the only player I’m trading up for in the 6-10 range. (Nearly all mocks have Hamilton top 5 and (we don’t have the ammo for this move) that might mike it outside of the top 5. I’d move up for a Stingley in the 10-15 range and WR (Wilson/Williams) in the 15-20 range. Should be exciting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, aristocrat said: What if the Bills trade edmunds, and pickup Bobby Wagner in free agency who is looking for a 1 year deal? We move up for a top cb and even save 2 mil in cap space. I like it but the move is for WR. I think picking up another vet CB is in the works - Rhodes/Nelson/Haden. As the TSW draft showed, the top tier WRs have a huge runoff in the 5-8 spots right in front of us. Don't tell me Beane doesn't read the board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I told you guys... This was was the dream I had last night...😉 I've been mocked for saying we're moving up for over a month now. You want to win now, you don't sit around and "hope" your guy is there at pick 25. I'll trade the Giants 25 and a first next year for the 5th pick and call it a day. Maybe get them to give us a 4th in 2023. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Process said: Singletary would get us from 25 to MAYBE 24.8 Moss would get us to 27 from 25. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 45 minutes ago, Logic said: Zig is good. I’m not saying this is a lead pipe lock, but it’s also not nothing. Don’t be surprised if it happens. And for the love of God, let’s not turn this into a Tremaine Edmunds thread! So then are we moving up to draft a gifted athletic freak who has little football instinct, misses the gap, misses tackles and needs to chase down guys from behind….oh wait we already got one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: Fake news nothing ever gets leaked with beane Except the 2017 draft board…lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Zack Moss has virtually zero value. And yes, we all dream of Edmunds being dumped... But two options a little different then mentioned that I think are the best suspects due to their impending free agency and return value... I would not be the slightest but surprised if we dealt Singletary. He will have more value than Mosas and he is an impending FA we are not going to retain. Another surprise candidate might be Dawson Knox. If management has a sense of the money he wants in FA and how TEs can be overpaid, they might have signed Howard to move on from Knox and get a return before he leaves in Free Agency. Remember you need to give something of value to get something. No one wants Epenesa or Cody Ford. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 35 minutes ago, Beast said: We have a glut of defensive linemen. Do we? We lost Hughes, Addison, Star, Anderson, Zimmer, Butler (6) and Added Miller, Lawson, Jones, Settle and Phillips (5). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Williams, Olave or a top Cornerback. I'm happy with either. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: Fake news nothing ever gets leaked with beane It does if it benefits him. Letting the whole league know he's a willing trade partner will allow him to start taking calls and gaging the cost. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Making moves for Jamison or sauce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: Do we? We lost Hughes, Addison, Star, Anderson, Zimmer, Butler (6) and Added Miller, Lawson, Jones, Settle and Phillips (5). Mike Love and Brandin Bryant are still on roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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