corta765 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 57 minutes ago, LanderPoke said: It's amazing how these rich people don't have to pay for their stadiums It is what societally we have decided is acceptable. If you look at the stadiums built with private money it was done because the value of ancillary development on or next to the stadium is worth more then having a public say. Unless nationally we decided that no public money can be contributed without proper payback or just none at all, any city that takes a stand risks losing their team. Professional sports teams especially the NFL are to many part of the fabric of their cities and most are not willing to give that up. In general it is a crappy equation that happens, but based off what I have read thus far even though the money is high there is no ridiculous increase in public revenue expected rather that it is just paid back. Some of the worst deals like Cincy's literally blead cities dry or come with expectations for tax income that never happen, because the state is taking a large share and has a 216 billion budget the impact is minimalized. It is also smart that the field will be designed to host soccer games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agilen Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Poloncarz’s statement about building for soccer as well pretty much confirms that the field will be grass - any “big” international games require it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, John Adams said: With, I expect, Buffalo touches, whatever that will mean and I bet it means something. It’ll be shaped like a chicken wing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 When can we start seeing some stadium designs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, FLFan said: https://www.statista.com/statistics/250065/average-home-attendance-of-the-buffalo-bills/ They do. and here is another interesting look. https://www.casino.org/features/nfl-fan-attendance/ I mean looking at that chart, it suggests the stadium should be at least 65,000 seats, if not 68,000. I am not saying they should build an 80,000 seat stadium or anything, I am saying building the smallest seat stadium in the NFL makes no sense IMO. Spending all this money and time for a stadium that has the least seats in the NFL is puzzling to me. And I know they mentioned they could do another 5,000 standing, but that sucks...who wants to stand in the bad weather for 3 hours? Especially if you had been tail gating all morning. Do 3,000 more seats and make the standing area 2,000 people then. I mean talk about terrible tickets, lets stand on concrete for 3 hours in freezing weather after we tailgated for 3 hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: I mean looking at that chart, it suggests the stadium should be at least 65,000 seats, if not 68,000. I am not saying they should build an 80,000 seat stadium or anything, I am saying building the smallest seat stadium in the NFL makes no sense IMO. Spending all this money and time for a stadium that has the least seats in the NFL is puzzling to me. And I know they mentioned they could do another 5,000 standing, but that sucks...who wants to stand in the bad weather for 3 hours? Especially if you had been tail gating all morning. Do 3,000 more seats and make the standing area 2,000 people then. I mean talk about terrible tickets, lets stand on concrete for 3 hours in freezing weather after we tailgated for 3 hours. Combine it with a full service massive bar and you will have many sign up for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, LanderPoke said: It's amazing how these rich people don't have to pay for their stadiums Be carful what you wish for. Assuming you're a football fan (and a Bills fan) you'd have to be ready to pay an awful lot to attend a game. Very few (if any) business models work with a building that is only used ten times a year. The longer the payments are spread out, and the more people they are spread out over; the cheaper ticket prices will be. I'm not sure why some fans don't understand this. A restaurant owner doesn't 'give' his customers a restaurant to eat in. He makes that investment back in the price of the meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 My whole section stands for three hours anyway. I don’t hate the idea of general admission/standing room. With the right concourses and sight lines, I could see the appeal of wandering around the stadium all game long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: All the newest stadiums have between 3,000 and 18,000 more seats than this new stadium. So how is “smaller the way to go”? No one else is doing “smaller”. And they added 600,000 more square feet as it is, there is plenty of room to move around and still keep your seating capacity up. We are literally building the smallest stadium in the NFL. For the best and most engaged fan base in the league…one that sells out every home game. Im all for having more space to move around, but you can do that and still keep your capacity bigger than the smallest in the NFL. Bills also have a lower average ticket price. Smaller capacity will bump that average up considerably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just now, WotAGuy said: Bills also have a lower average ticket price. Smaller capacity will bump that average up considerably. Also bad for fans...another reason I don't like building the smallest stadium in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Bills also have a lower average ticket price. Smaller capacity will bump that average up considerably. Yep. With PSL's starting at $1,000 and averaging in the $4,000-$5,000 range, you remove a lot of the casual fan base, bumping down the need for 65,000-plus seats. . Edited March 28, 2022 by Shake_My_Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stgm1993 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, KingBoots8 said: Return of the piss troughs!!! they were't that bad and it was faster getting in and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Also bad for fans...another reason I don't like building the smallest stadium in the NFL. So you think a new stadium with a lager capacity would have cheap tickets? I'm a season ticket holder, and it's a fantasy that we have no problem filling up the current stadium. There are games that I can't give away my tickets. With a new, expensive, stadium in this market- a lower capacity makes sense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Wiz Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: How long ago was that lol 12-10years. That's equal cost at worst finished in 2008 and was designed and agreed upon in 2006. 15 years ago. Even Jerry's World is 12 years old and cost 1.3B. Edited March 28, 2022 by The Wiz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Steptide said: Wonder what 350M+ from the pegulas means Dome, 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Looking forward to having better seats than the current metal bleachers at the stadium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said: It is money that does not go into the shared pool and is “payed back” by all of the Owners - not the Pegula’s themselves. Since loans for other stadiums were funded by other teams this is only fair especially since this stadium was pressured by other owners especially the Axis of Evil: Dallass/WTF/Cheats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, SWATeam said: So you think a new stadium with a lager capacity would have cheap tickets? I'm a season ticket holder, and it's a fantasy that we have no problem filling up the current stadium. There are games that I can't give away my tickets. With a new, expensive, stadium in this market- a lower capacity makes sense. I think people are forgetting that we were being made fun of for how long it took us to sell tickets to that Pats game, the first full attendance playoff game in Buffalo since 1995. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 32 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: It’ll be shaped like a chicken wing This needs to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, arcane said: I think people are forgetting that we were being made fun of for how long it took us to sell tickets to that Pats game, the first full attendance playoff game in Buffalo since 1995. Yep, and tickets were going for like $10 on the secondary market. Less capacity is a no-brainer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Woo hoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 52 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Rich was built in 14 months.. why the wait? theres no reason this cant be done in 2 years... The new stadium will all be built above ground. Adds tremendously to cost and construction timeline. Only the upper deck at Ralph was above ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 bad location.......should be downtown combined with a convention center bad open air......should be retractable roof......shoveling out the snow in january playoffs will suck.....playing in bad weather is NOT an advantage bad PSL's......only options will be expensive and extremely expensive bad sightlines.....a soccer field is considerably WIDER......seats will be farther away but other than that, this is great news 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Greg S said: It took 3 years to build MetLife right next to Giants Stadium. It was a pain in the ass with the parking those years. Both stadiums were standing which reduced the amount of parking spots. I would imagine it will be the same thing here. took that long cause it was a domed stadium 9 minutes ago, freddyjj said: The new stadium will all be built above ground. Adds tremendously to cost and construction timeline. Only the upper deck at Ralph was above ground. does not matter if its above ground or not.. your still building from the ground up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman3 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Draconator said: Oh hell yeah. I could totally see a USA vs Canada send off friendly match right before the 2026 World Cup (being dual hosted by Canada, US and Mexico.) Would be an ideal "soft" launch in May/June 2026 to work out the kinks before the Bills season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: took that long cause it was a domed stadium does not matter if its above ground or not.. your still building from the ground up. MetLife isn't domed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Process said: Lol good luck selling 50K PSLs to an open air stadium in OP I’ll take your season tickets if they’re up for sale. A thousand bucks isn’t going to keep me from going to games for the rest of my life. 6 minutes ago, papazoid said: bad location.......should be downtown combined with a convention center bad open air......should be retractable roof......shoveling out the snow in january playoffs will suck.....playing in bad weather is NOT an advantage bad PSL's......only options will be expensive and extremely expensive bad sightlines.....a soccer field is considerably WIDER......seats will be farther away but other than that, this is great news 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: How does it make sense to build a new stadium with LESS seats than the current stadium despite taking up 600,000 more square footage? I mean it literally has a 66% bigger footprint than old stadium but 8000 less seats. Especially for a team that sells out every home game regardless of weather or how good or bad the team is. 8,000 less seats is almost 12% less seats than the current stadium. That’s just gonna make tickets cost even more and harder to get. Bills literally just made a deal to build the second smallest stadium in the NFL in terms of seating capacity. Only Soldier field will have less seats (only 500 less seats). This makes no sense, why have less Bills Mafia at each home game? Best and loudest fan base in the league. Most stadiums these days also house restaurants etc and just aren't stadiums parse. The reason for less seats is you can justify making people buy PSLs because the ability to be in house will be even more limited etc. The NFL is about earning money and they can earn more by seeling 45k PSLs tickets with 15k tickets than just selling 70-75k tickets only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: does not matter if its above ground or not.. your still building from the ground up. Unless you’re underground, and the earth provides a foundation you don’t have to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I mean looking at that chart, it suggests the stadium should be at least 65,000 seats, if not 68,000. I am not saying they should build an 80,000 seat stadium or anything, I am saying building the smallest seat stadium in the NFL makes no sense IMO. Spending all this money and time for a stadium that has the least seats in the NFL is puzzling to me. And I know they mentioned they could do another 5,000 standing, but that sucks...who wants to stand in the bad weather for 3 hours? Especially if you had been tail gating all morning. Do 3,000 more seats and make the standing area 2,000 people then. I mean talk about terrible tickets, lets stand on concrete for 3 hours in freezing weather after we tailgated for 3 hours. I certainly understand your point, but I think we should get used to the fact that economics around the new stadium (and all new stadiums) are designed to benefit the owners of the business, not the fans. From the owner's perspective, fewer seats than potential maximum demand, each more expensive, is a better economic model. It benefits the team to have higher demand which restricted supply helps create. They can make more money not selling an extra 5 or 8k tickets to the general public by restricting the supply and increasing prices. The team gets the extra revenue (or at least a bigger %), not the ticket brokers. The figure being thrown out there is 50,000 target for season tickets, each carrying a seat license. That leaves only 10k seats for casual fans and demand will be very high. The price of attending a Bills game is going way up. Buffalo has been spared this until now, but it has been the way of things elsewhere for quite some time. Of course the team could collapse and the models with it, but then again an extra few thousand seats are not going to help them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: Rich was built in 14 months.. why the wait? theres no reason this cant be done in 2 years... If you've got an idea on how to cut the time on site by 50%, I think you need to get in your car and drive down to Albany for a chat. They're going to want to hear from you. Their current people want it to take twice as long as your plan. Imagine the savings in manhours alone! Get going! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Can someone explain PSLs to me? Is it just season tickets or something else? What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Word has it: New stadium will look close to Tottenham Stadium with some modifications for snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I know I sound ignorant, but it just seems insane that this stadium won't be usable until September 2026. That'd almost be like if they started a new stadium when we drafted allen, and this upcoming season it'd be opening. I just don't believe it. I think it's done before the 25 season, if not sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 We're not leaving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just now, Steptide said: I know I sound ignorant, but it just seems insane that this stadium won't be usable until September 2026. That'd almost be like if they started a new stadium when we drafted allen, and this upcoming season it'd be opening. I just don't believe it. I think it's done before the 25 season, if not sooner. You lose a lot of construction days in the winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, dma0034 said: Not being a dome will ultimately cost them if/when the team isn't doing as well No it won't This franchise has gone through multiple spells of terrible terrible droughts and 60,000 plus still show up The worst season ever at the Ralph, attendance still averaged 61,000.. the new stadiums only holding 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just now, Mike in Horseheads said: You lose a lot of construction days in the winter I wonder if the shortage in manpower and materials has them pushing it out a bit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, papazoid said: bad location.......should be downtown combined with a convention center bad open air......should be retractable roof......shoveling out the snow in january playoffs will suck.....playing in bad weather is NOT an advantage bad PSL's......only options will be expensive and extremely expensive bad sightlines.....a soccer field is considerably WIDER......seats will be farther away but other than that, this is great news Tell that to the Buffalo Bills 12 and 1 all time record at home at the Ralph in the playoffs Which always takes place in the winter Statistically it's absolutely been an advantage to the bills Edited March 28, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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