NoSaint Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So you would rather the year he sat out due to covid not be added into the missed games? Yeah I dont know about that. Anyway it was time to move on from him regardless of dead cap......I like the guys that were brought in (the ex bills were just throw ins) For that matter Eli Ankau basically gave us Star's production the guy we signed to a futures contract do you expect him to sit out for covid next year? Otherwise, why would it effect you projecting his future availability in 2022? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, NoSaint said: meh. I’m not upset or anything but the calculus in my head says we are probably better either star plus levi (or insert some other similar talent) over just jones for the cap space carved out by the moves not a catastrophe or anything but probably not the play I’d make on the cards we had. and I was probably among the most critical of signing him to this deal. So I guess not a fan of how he came or went I’m aligned with your thought process. I’m very curious to know the behind the scenes conversations about Star and Levi. I feel like they had a ton of support from McD, and now they are gone. Star wasn’t a big cap savings and Levi signed for stones. Just interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: They could have designated him a post June 1. He is free to sign immediately bills would have gotten 4.2 in space June 2. There is something that caused them to do this with normal designation freeing up 1.5M now. but not wanting to carry dead money into 2023 with Allen’s increase makes sense as well. Or may be saving that designation for someone else to be cut post draft. 3 hours ago, Rico said: What a week, so many scrubby players gone from the team. Kinda reminds me of the baptism scene in The Godfather. Reminds me of when BBMB was cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I was hoping he would stick around. He could be a really good player at times. Now we need a Tongan or Samoan to replace him. You have to have one of those guys on defense to bring the mojo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: We are getting really low on whipping boys. Bease and Star gone. Knox improved. It’s down to edmunds and ford catching all the hands. Epenesa, Haack, Jackson will be in that list. 3 hours ago, newcam2012 said: You are accurately painting a picture of Coach McD's record. He is a very good coach. I happen to like his style and the way he brings the team together. The players do play hard for him. However, that has nothing to do with his utter collasal 13 second failure. He blew the game!!! Defending his record and pointing out other coaches errors is not relevant. Additionally, the magnitude of his errors multipl two fold or more. It wasn't just a regular ho hum season game. The whole football world anticipated the matchup we spent the whole off season preparing for that very game. Literally, Bills fans including myself were devasted, sick, and lost countless hours of sleep. I know it's only football but coache's mistakes in that moment and that time shouldn't be mitigated. I'd have more respect if coach just flat out said I blew it. I let the whole team and city down. I not calling for his firing or departure but I will never forget how that game was lost. It's on the history books and it will haunt many of us for years to come. I still can fathom to watch wide right or the Tenn miracle. No need to admit your stupidity... > I'd have more respect if coach just flat out said I blew it. I let the whole team and city down. It also could backfire by players and coaches then NOT respecting him. There is a thin line there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, ganesh said: Epenesa, Haack, Jackson will be in that list. > I'd have more respect if coach just flat out said I blew it. I let the whole team and city down. It also could backfire by players and coaches then NOT respecting him. There is a thin line there. A post full of huge assumptions, did McD blow a call or is he taking the hit for another coach or captain if the special teams.? Is he afraid to step up, or is he stepping in front of another and taking the hit.? I suggest that since not 1 player, cut player, free agent player, fired coach, coach who left, has even mentioned it, that tells us either there us no conspiracy or McD is very respected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 4 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said: I would love to see the Bills draft Matt Araiza With a 4th or 5th round pick. He could be a difference maker. I agree. There’s just so many comp picks teams have to take a shot. We might not even get the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Inevitable. Never as good as his contract, never as bad his worst detractors. A lot of dough for a fair bit of meh. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 38 minutes ago, ganesh said: Epenesa, Haack, Jackson will be in that list. > I'd have more respect if coach just flat out said I blew it. I let the whole team and city down. It also could backfire by players and coaches then NOT respecting him. There is a thin line there. 39 minutes ago, ganesh said: Epenesa, Haack, Jackson will be in that list. > I'd have more respect if coach just flat out said I blew it. I let the whole team and city down. It also could backfire by players and coaches then NOT respecting him. There is a thin line there. It's March 18th. This has turned out to be the longest 13 seconds of my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, ganesh said: Epenesa, Haack, Jackson will be in that list. > I'd have more respect if coach just flat out said I blew it. I let the whole team and city down. It also could backfire by players and coaches then NOT respecting him. There is a thin line there. True but I think that scenario is very slim. McD has earned the respect of the players and vice versa. I suspect in private he took some ownership. People in general prefer this type of behavior vs the latter. He doesn't have to worry about losing the locker room. In fact, he may have created an ever stronger "team bond" if he did address the players and accept some blame. Truthfully, the fans were left very short with explanation. I don't like that but maybe it's best to keep it in house. Edited March 19, 2022 by newcam2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 And even after all these years, there’s no real consensus on how to say his last name.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: As we have discussed before, I’ll provide the additional context here for those who aren’t familiar with what really happened in terms of that quote. Correct…Star never said that. A reporter said that years ago to convey the strength of Stars love and motivation for his family. People twisted this to be something it’s not. Same article praises his work ethic and his dedication to helping and fighting for his teammates. It’s a total farce that Star didn’t love football based on people inaccurately attributing a journalists comment to Star. Just like it was a total farce he never played here like people say when he didn’t miss a single game until week 1 this year, the only game he ever missed with us due to injury. He had COVID complications that led to a few more games missed this season. It was an intimate article if I remember correctly. Something that in-depth and thought out, can we say with absolutely certainty Star didn’t convey those feelings to the journalist? Usually if a statement like that is made it’s because Star himself told the journalist that, or conveyed as much. Otherwise it’d be a striking opinionated line in what is otherwise an in-depth, factually based, editorial piece. Edited March 19, 2022 by JayBaller10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Warcodered said: Kelvin Benjamin? Benjamin and Corey Coleman were trades for WRs when we had none - worse than FA signings imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I’ve “sort of” defended Star on this board previously…not the contract, but his play on the field when healthy. I think he was brought here for a specific purpose at a time when Beane and McD were trying to build a culture and work ethic. That said, I think Star screwed the Bills when he sat out for Covid. The decision to sit out a year is by itself not what bothers me…many were rightfully concerned about the safety of themselves and their families. What irks me is that when Star came back he obviously wasn’t in football shape, he didn’t get vaccinated, and the combination of the two resulted in a half-hearted waste of a season in which he stole the Bills’ money. I’m glad he’s gone and won’t miss him one second. Kudos to Beane for ripping off that band-aid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Loving how they waited to release him so that a lot of the jobs he might have got are already taken. 😏😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Sweet now we can sign Justin Zimmer !! Should have waited till June first but whatever. 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: We are getting really low on whipping boys. Bease and Star gone. Knox improved. It’s down to edmunds and ford catching all the hands. Ford will be lucky to be here let alone be on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Finally. The nightmare is over. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 12 hours ago, Mikie's Bills said: One of those deals where you knew from the start he was overpaid. Back when we had to overpay to get guys here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 4 hours ago, bmur66 said: I was hoping he would stick around. He could be a really good player at times. Now we need a Tongan or Samoan to replace him. You have to have one of those guys on defense to bring the mojo. Dwayne Johnson is available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, eball said: I’ve “sort of” defended Star on this board previously…not the contract, but his play on the field when healthy. I think he was brought here for a specific purpose at a time when Beane and McD were trying to build a culture and work ethic. That said, I think Star screwed the Bills when he sat out for Covid. The decision to sit out a year is by itself not what bothers me…many were rightfully concerned about the safety of themselves and their families. What irks me is that when Star came back he obviously wasn’t in football shape, he didn’t get vaccinated, and the combination of the two resulted in a half-hearted waste of a season in which he stole the Bills’ money. I’m glad he’s gone and won’t miss him one second. Kudos to Beane for ripping off that band-aid. Overall agree, especially with the first and last para One point of disagreement is that when Star came back in 2021, he appeared to be in GREAT football shape, and playing very well in the first part of the season. That's not just my take, McDermott and Beane have that take and his snap counts back it up. Then he caught Covid and both Beane and McDermott have said he wasn't the same afterwards, and that's what the eyeballs and the snap counts show. Another perspective on Star "stealing the Bills money" is that he could have gotten injured (as Zimmer and Boettger did), or had a different illness such as C. diff infection or E coli O157:H7 or even LIsteria, that hindered his performance the rest of the season. The thing that sticks in a lot of our craws is that there was a preventive action he could have taken and chose not to, but that choice was his right under the CBA. I agree that he screwed the Bills (from a contract/Cap POV) when he opted-out for Covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 4 hours ago, bmur66 said: I was hoping he would stick around. He could be a really good player at times. Now we need a Tongan or Samoan to replace him. You have to have one of those guys on defense to bring the mojo. Done! Epenesa is of Samoan descent, and is in a premiere position to become the new guy the fans love to hate, too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: We are getting really low on whipping boys. Bease and Star gone. Knox improved. It’s down to edmunds and ford catching all the hands. Still got the punter! 😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 8 hours ago, eball said: What irks me is that when Star came back he obviously wasn’t in football shape, he didn’t get vaccinated, and the combination of the two resulted in a half-hearted waste of a season in which he stole the Bills’ money. Agreed. It was not his fault McBeane signed him to a horribly inflated contract for his talent. Yet another expensive drain of precious resources in another lazy attempt to bring talent from Carolina by Bills management. He was not terrible, just not worth what he was paid. He was very much an "I" guy like Beasely. Like the cliche, there is no "I" in team. At least Beasely was consistent and honest in his vaccination beliefs. Star was not. If Star was so concerned about his family he would have also got vaccinated to protect them. It looks like he just gamed the system for his personal advantage, and never did bother to make the effort to give 100% to the team and his teammates. Not sure I would have eaten that much cap up though, that's a lot of dead cap to swallow, and someone will have to be paid to do the mediocre job Star was doing, and that much money wasted could have brought some much needed talent toward winning a SB. Kind of a silent admission that Bills management's strengths are not reasonable contracts and cap management . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, simpleman said: If Star was so concerned about his family he would have also got vaccinated to protect them. It looks like he just gamed the system for his personal advantage Not sure I agree with all of your post but this part is what irks me the most about Star. I respect that all players had the right to make a personal choice about vaccination but the guy OPTED OUT and then didn’t get vaccinated — seriously, one of the most selfish (and ignorant) things I’ve seen from any player, ever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 19 hours ago, wjag said: The recasting of this team in one offseason is breathtaking Definitely not “running it back” this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Sweet now we can sign Justin Zimmer !! Should have waited till June first but whatever. Ford will be lucky to be here let alone be on the team. Zimmer for the practice squad? Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Hold on just a second.....was @BADOLBILZright? How can this be possible? 😲🏈 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 12 hours ago, eball said: I’ve “sort of” defended Star on this board previously…not the contract, but his play on the field when healthy. I think he was brought here for a specific purpose at a time when Beane and McD were trying to build a culture and work ethic. That said, I think Star screwed the Bills when he sat out for Covid. The decision to sit out a year is by itself not what bothers me…many were rightfully concerned about the safety of themselves and their families. What irks me is that when Star came back he obviously wasn’t in football shape, he didn’t get vaccinated, and the combination of the two resulted in a half-hearted waste of a season in which he stole the Bills’ money. I’m glad he’s gone and won’t miss him one second. Kudos to Beane for ripping off that band-aid. So what if he didn't want to get vaccinated you dont know his medical history etc... don't be one of those holier than thou fools 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Hold on just a second.....was @BADOLBILZright? How can this be possible? 😲🏈 If the haters only realized how stupid he makes them look. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I’m not to take the time to read through page after page of this stuff. My problem with Star was his play, or lack there of, on the football field. I’m not going fault anyone with how they choose or chose to deal with a virus situation that is/was a brand new ‘thing’ in everyone’s life. I’m pretty damn sure nobody was asked what they would do in the case of international pandemic when they were hired!! I know I wasn’t. Were you? Now…however, once he was in that situation my personal feeling is he needs to tell the team he’s not comfortable playing anymore, or something to that effect, and bow out gracefully. No shame in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 He didn't play with any juice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 22 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: The Board is creative enough to come up with more. Thanks for that. I've been working on some new whipping boys and I was thinking about Dorsey. How about "Our offense seems very stale under Dorsey, we should never have let Daboll go" It's obviously a work in progress but this is what I have so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 50 minutes ago, Rico said: If the haters only realized how stupid he makes them look. Nobody is perfect in terms of predictions, but he has been almost exclusively correct for well over 20 years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Nobody is perfect in terms of predictions, but he has been almost exclusively correct for well over 20 years. Hmmm. Not exclusively. But he is right a lot more often than he is wrong. That is beyond doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hmmm. Not exclusively. But he is right a lot more often than he is wrong. That is beyond doubt. Do note the word "almost" in my post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Nobody is perfect in terms of predictions, but he has been almost exclusively correct for well over 20 years. He is the anti-CBiscuit97. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 11 hours ago, daz28 said: Loving how they waited to release him so that a lot of the jobs he might have got are already taken. 😏😎 SMH. There are a great many jobs still available. Rosters will be shuffled right through training camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said: Hold on just a second.....was @BADOLBILZright? How can this be possible? 😲🏈 he's your boy I get it. there are a lot of great posters on this site and why we are all here. GO BILLS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Rico said: He is the anti-CBiscuit97. wheres badol from? Or what would be the opposite of riverside, I guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I do remember that when we replaced Shaq Lawson and the 3 yr, $30M, $20.8M guaranteed contract he signed with Miami by signing Mario Addison for 3 yr, $30.4M, $13.2M guaranteed - people looked at the stats and felt it was an upgrade. Likewise, when we replaced Jordan Phillips and the 3 year, $30M, $14.5M guaranteed contract he signed with AZ with Vernon Butler for 2 years, $15M with $9.3M guaranteed AND Q Jefferson for 2 yrs, $13.5M, $6.3M guaranteed And maybe it was - I believe we got more out of Addison than Miami got out of Shaq, and we got more out of Butler (though playing out of position in 2020) than Miami got out of Phillips, who struggled with injuries there. But it wasn't what we thought we were getting at the time of the signing. I can agree with that, especially on the points of Butler and Jefferson. I thought they'd do a lot better here. Addison has had his moments, but swap him and Hughes for Miller is a definitive upgrade. Lawson is just icing on the DE cake. at DT Phillips played well for us and hopefully we get the previous Bills version back. Star just lost his. mojo and I don't think its coming back. Settle is unproven but seems to be in the same category of Harrison Phillips so that may wash out. But I think the main thing we accomplished was getting size down the middle. And that's where we were vulnerable last year. The thing I feel best about is no matter what I think or anyone else thinks on this board, Beane and mcD know far more and they seem to understand where the holes are and fill them. We had a deeply talented roster last year and I expect this year that it will be the same. They created a culture where players want to come to play. That in itself is a small miracle, especially for the city of Buffalo. Edited March 19, 2022 by TampaBillsJunkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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