Daniel Jeremiah Mock Draft 2.0 - Bills take Treylon Burks: 3.0 - Bills take Breece Hall

[without a drought]

I could see Wan'Dale Robinson in the 3rd.

 

Burks in the first, not so much, but who knows.

[GunnerBill]

I love the pick for the Bills. As an overall mock? It sucks. DJ does so many versions of these things each year that he just moves guys around for something new to talk about. That mock sucks. 

4 minutes ago, without a drought said:

I could see Wan'Dale Robinson in the 3rd.

 

Burks in the first, not so much, but who knows.

 

I'm not sure I could see Wan'Dale slipping to #89. Could he go 3rd round? Yes, I think he could. All the way at the end of the 3rd? Not for me. Teams are taking these smaller speedy guys way earlier than they used to. Look at last year, Tutu Atwell and Dwayne Eskridge we seen by most analysts as third round guys and both went off the board in round 2. see Robinson's range as mid 2nd to mid 3rd. But if he is there mid third and the Bills wanted to move up a few spots to nab him I wouldn't be against that. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

I like Dotson also. 
 

 

Very much in love with him myself. Kids got it.

[John from Riverside]

I am definately open to the position....I think adding a weapon for Josh is a smart move.

 

Tired of adding a DL player every year to watch them not get sacks.....go get a vet there.

[GunnerBill]

51 minutes ago, Estro said:

I'm not as high on the 2 bigger Wrs, London and Burks.  Neither one creates much separation. I prefer the quicker, faster shifter guys like Wilson, Williams, Olave and Dotson.  

 

I also think the Bills prefer WRs that create separation and IMO Burks does not fit that description.

 

I agree with you totally on London. I am not sure I see separation in his game and that worries me because when you look at the tape I don't know where you look to find that separation in his game. 

 

I think on Burks's tape it is more inconsistent and to me there is an identifiable root cause and that is that he is a bit of a sloppy route runner right now. I think get him proper pro receiver coaching and work on his cuts and the precision at the top of his routes (he tends to round things off at the top of the route too much for my liking) and I think you will see the separation happen more consistently. The separation thing was a knock on Gabe Davis coming out of UCF and I said then with him, he can do it he needs to tidy up his footwork in the release off the line and the Bills have definitely improved that with him which leads me to believe that they could coach Burks up. It is a different technical thing but it is similar that there is a young receiver there with the capacity to separate but with a technical flaw that needs refinement. I do think 40 time will be big for Burks but to my eye he looks plenty explosive after the catch to me. It's route running technique where he needs work and that is coachable. 

[Ga boy]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Run to the podium if he’s there

Can we get someone with 4.3 speed to run to the podium 🏃🏾

[Estro]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree with you totally on London. I am not sure I see separation in his game and that worries me because when you look at the tape I don't know where you look to find that separation in his game. 

 

I think on Burks's tape it is more inconsistent and to me there is an identifiable root cause and that is that he is a bit of a sloppy route runner right now. I think get him proper pro receiver coaching and work on his cuts and the precision at the top of his routes (he tends to round things off at the top of the route too much for my liking) and I think you will see the separation happen more consistently. The separation thing was a knock on Gabe Davis coming out of UCF and I said then with him, he can do it he needs to tidy up his footwork in the release off the line and the Bills have definitely improved that with him which leads me to believe that they could coach Burks up. It is a different technical thing but it is similar that there is a young receiver there with the capacity to separate but with a technical flaw that needs refinement. I do think 40 time will be big for Burks but to my eye he looks plenty explosive after the catch to me. It's route running technique where he needs work and that is coachable. 

Upon further review I probably shouldn't have put Burks and London in the same bucket.

 

Burks does create separation, just not to the same degree as some of the others I like more. He's more of a build up speed type of guy. It takes him a little bit, but once he gets into 5th gear he's moving.

 

I'm with you 100% on London though, I dont see him a a 1st round WR prospect.

 

I saw Matt Miller comping him to Mike Evans on twitter today.....I don't see that at all. Mike Evans was 230lbs at the Combine and had some speed. London is probably 15-20 lbs lighter, and I don't see the speed/quicks to separate. He wins with physicality atthrcatch point and I think that will be totally neutralized in the pros. I see more Limas Sweed than Mike Evans.

 

I just think the Bills have a type they covet @ WR & I don't think London fits what they like at all.  I could see them talking themselves into Burks, but hes not totally their type either. 

 

For those drooling over Williams, the speed is intoxicating and had me drooling too. I do want to point out though that he's not a natural hands catcher. A lot of body catches and double clutches is somewhat concerning.

 

The one guy that's been growing on me is Dotson, from Penn St.  A little undersized, but hes got it all. Speed, quicks,  physical......can win at the catch point. Plus he's a dog, and loves football. I could see him being a guy the Bills fall in love with

Edited February 23, 2022 by Estro

[filthymcnasty08]

Would be a great pick...probably gone by 25.

 

Seems like a big draft for O/D lineman and there's a limited amount of QB talent for all the teams that need one so you never know what else falls.

 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Oh, I know.  It's the same every year.

I think it’s interesting to see them evolve over the predraft process. DJ and Matt Miller are probably the two I pay attention to the most as well as the The Draft Network. They watch film year round as well as scout in person  and also pay close attention to team needs

[SWATeam]

4 hours ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

Isn’t he too similar to Davis? He’s 6’3”225. Should we go Dotson instead for the speed aspect of his game? I’m just asking, I would love Burke’s guys a monster and can run a 4.5 

I remember when we needed to draft James Hardy instead of Desean Jackson because we already had Roscoe Parrish.

[newcam2012]

Not sure why people are clamoring for a first round WR? If last year proved anything it was the Bills defense wasn't up to the task. They have holes at CB, LB, interior dline, and lack of a consistent pass rush. I think some younger guys will step it up. However, my pick is a CB if his the BPA. Allen and all his heroics couldn't get the win with 13 seconds left. 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-bills-land-another-playmaking-wr-for-jos

 

Pick

25

Buffalo Bills

Treylon Burks

Arkansas · WR · Junior

The Bills could opt for a CB here, but Burks would be too tempting as a big addition to their offensive firepower.

 

My likes (from watching some film):

-YAC monster (which we need).

-High-points with ferocity and authority.

-Dusted some Bama DB's, so even though he's a big boy, he does have some serious speed.

-Versatile: Saw some plays out of the backfield, jet sweeps, etc...

 

The big questions:

 

-Will he be there for us?

-IF he is there, as well as Jameson Williams, who do you choose? Tough call to make.

[Mickey]

5 hours ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

Isn’t he too similar to Davis? He’s 6’3”225. Should we go Dotson instead for the speed aspect of his game? I’m just asking, I would love Burke’s guys a monster and can run a 4.5 

 

Why not go with a a guy 6-5 who runs a 4.4?  I'm talking about you Christian Watson.  I don't want to mimic the chiefs with the cheetah, I think big targets with speed are more effective.  Guys like Tyreek are incredibly rare, odds are we won't find one.  Besides who had the better game, Davis or Tyreek?  Sign me up for a Mike Evans, Deandre Hopkins, Davante Adams type.  I love Watson but there are others in that same mold in the draft this year.  Drank London for example. 

 

 

 

[ganesh]

4 hours ago, Process said:

Really hope we go WR in Rd 1. There are several guys we should take if they are there.

 

I think McBeane will go CB or O line, but maybe the surprise us.

I wouldn't be surprised if that happens.  This is a WR rich draft and I am sure Beane and the Bills staff have ltheir targets on a WR in Rd3.   1st two picks are going to be defense.....DT and CB.

[without a drought]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I love the pick for the Bills. As an overall mock? It sucks. DJ does so many versions of these things each year that he just moves guys around for something new to talk about. That mock sucks. 

 

I'm not sure I could see Wan'Dale slipping to #89. Could he go 3rd round? Yes, I think he could. All the way at the end of the 3rd? Not for me. Teams are taking these smaller speedy guys way earlier than they used to. Look at last year, Tutu Atwell and Dwayne Eskridge we seen by most analysts as third round guys and both went off the board in round 2. see Robinson's range as mid 2nd to mid 3rd. But if he is there mid third and the Bills wanted to move up a few spots to nab him I wouldn't be against that. 

I could see the Bills moving up if he is within reach. It's  usually something I  don't  agree with doing but it's something  Beane likes to do when he gets a player in his head.

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, Special K said:

 

 

Then, run to the Podium!!😁

Ooh burn 🔥 

[offyourocker]

Watched highlights.  Fast for a huge dude.  Reminds me of Alshon Jeffreys when he goes up to grab passes.  Adjusts well to less then ideal passes also

[beerme1]

5 hours ago, Process said:

Really hope we go WR in Rd 1. There are several guys we should take if they are there.

 

I think McBeane will go CB or O line, but maybe the surprise us.

 

Any of that works for me.

[Brand J]

For those who want the center in round one, how does he compare to Creed Humphrey, the guy who went at the end of round 2 last year and tested in the 99th percentile as far as RAS?

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

For those who want the center in round one, how does he compare to Creed Humphrey, the guy who went at the end of round 2 last year and tested in the 99th percentile as far as RAS?

 

 

Humphrey was a better prospect.    Also a tremendous wrestler and athlete but a legit 6'5" guy who could carry 320.   Like Linderbaum, Humphrey was also considered a first rounder much of the time in the mocks the year before and leading up to his draft.   Then it's draft day and most teams know not to select a center that high.

[BrainwashedBillsFan]

2 hours ago, SWATeam said:

I remember when we needed to draft James Hardy instead of Desean Jackson because we already had Roscoe Parrish.

I mean I hear what your saying. But Dotson is more of a tyreek hill guy. 5’11” 185lb runs a 4.3. Doesn’t sound too bad don’t ya think?

[Big Blitz]

24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Humphrey was a better prospect.    Also a tremendous wrestler and athlete but a legit 6'5" guy who could carry 320.   Like Linderbaum, Humphrey was also considered a first rounder much of the time in the mocks the year before and leading up to his draft.   Then it's draft day and most teams know not to select a center that high.

 

 

This just ticks me off to read.  

 

Had we taken him, we're not worried about IOL right now - I know he may not have played Guard - but its one less hole if we did.  

 

That miss (as of now) can't happen with a window that's going to see Josh at 51 million in 2025.  These guys drafted this year must pan on for the 2nd window to open.  

[Ray Stonada]

Why do people think this is a need?

 

The Bills don’t need a wideout anywhere near as much as IOL and DE.

 

Diggs and Davis dominated defenses in 2020, and when they had a chance to play together in ‘21.

 

Why fix what isn’t broke?

 

[Brand J]

10 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

Why do people think this is a need?

 

The Bills don’t need a wideout anywhere near as much as IOL and DE.

 

Diggs and Davis dominated defenses in 2020, and when they had a chance to play together in ‘21.

 

Why fix what isn’t broke?

 

CB, IOL, and DL (anything but 3DT) are the three positions I feel the team needs to add most. WR and LB would be sweet, but not nearly as pressing.

[Sierra Foothills]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think it’s interesting to see them evolve over the predraft process. DJ and Matt Miller are probably the two I pay attention to the most as well as the The Draft Network. They watch film year round as well as scout in person  and also pay close attention to team needs

 

If you could provide some links I'd be much obliged.

 

1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said:

Why do people think this is a need?

 

The Bills don’t need a wideout anywhere near as much as IOL and DE.

 

Diggs and Davis dominated defenses in 2020, and when they had a chance to play together in ‘21.

 

Why fix what isn’t broke?

 

 

I understand what you're saying but for the sake of discussion, when you have an elite QB as we do, it's never a bad idea to add an elite weapon.

 

Say we had Elijah Moore last year (who I liked more than Kadarius Toney). A player of that impact playing with Josh would result in how many more points? How many more wins? Home field advantage? What else? I like Gregory Rousseau but how many wins was he responsible for? Did he make a difference in the playoff loss to KC?

 

So to me that's the counterargument to what you're saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bookie Man]

He had us taking him over Linderbaum and Jameson Williams. Also this is the first time I've seen Jordan Davis being taken after Georgia's other DT Devonte Wyatt. Intersting stuff. Jeremiah is generally a good mocker, I def respect his predictions. I wouldn't be mad at Burks at all. This years draft is more of a crap shoot than any other draft I ever remember. The top 5 could go so many different ways, usually you have a pretty good idea how that's gonna go. 

Just now, ßookie_tech said:

He has us taking him over Linderbaum and Jameson Williams. Also this is the first time I've seen Jordan Davis being taken after Georgia's other DT Devonte Wyatt. Interesting stuff. Jeremiah is generally a good mocker, I def respect his predictions. I wouldn't be mad at Burks at all. This years draft is more of a crap shoot than any other draft I ever remember. The top 5 could go so many different ways, usually you have a pretty good idea how that's gonna go. 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Estro said:

Upon further review I probably shouldn't have put Burks and London in the same bucket.

 

Burks does create separation, just not to the same degree as some of the others I like more. He's more of a build up speed type of guy. It takes him a little bit, but once he gets into 5th gear he's moving.

 

I'm with you 100% on London though, I dont see him a a 1st round WR prospect.

 

I saw Matt Miller comping him to Mike Evans on twitter today.....I don't see that at all. Mike Evans was 230lbs at the Combine and had some speed. London is probably 15-20 lbs lighter, and I don't see the speed/quicks to separate. He wins with physicality atthrcatch point and I think that will be totally neutralized in the pros. I see more Limas Sweed than Mike Evans.

 

I just think the Bills have a type they covet @ WR & I don't think London fits what they like at all.  I could see them talking themselves into Burks, but hes not totally their type either. 

 

For those drooling over Williams, the speed is intoxicating and had me drooling too. I do want to point out though that he's not a natural hands catcher. A lot of body catches and double clutches is somewhat concerning.

 

The one guy that's been growing on me is Dotson, from Penn St.  A little undersized, but hes got it all. Speed, quicks,  physical......can win at the catch point. Plus he's a dog, and loves football. I could see him being a guy the Bills fall in love with

 

I am anti Dotson in the first. He is a slot receiver to me and if you are taking a guy in round 1 they better be capable of playing outside. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, ßookie_tech said:

He had us taking him over Linderbaum and Jameson Williams. Also this is the first time I've seen Jordan Davis being taken after Georgia's other DT Devonte Wyatt. Intersting stuff. Jeremiah is generally a good mocker, I def respect his predictions. I wouldn't be mad at Burks at all. This years draft is more of a crap shoot than any other draft I ever remember. The top 5 could go so many different ways, usually you have a pretty good idea how that's gonna go. 

 

I think a while back a similar thing happened. Marcus Stroud was the bigger name but Richard Seymour went higher. Both DTs were drafted top 15 though. Seymour was a player that could do more. 

 

As for our pick, it's likely to be the best available CB, DL, OL, or WR. All positions have depth issues. 

[OldTimer1960]

5 hours ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

I mean I hear what your saying. But Dotson is more of a tyreek hill guy. 5’11” 185lb runs a 4.3. Doesn’t sound too bad don’t ya think?

I like Dotson, but it will be interesting to see what he runs at the Combine.  He appears to be very quick.  He appears to be fast, but I’m not sure he is 4.3 fast.

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, Estro said:

I saw Matt Miller comping him to Mike Evans on twitter today.....I don't see that at all. Mike Evans was 230lbs at the Combine and had some speed. London is probably 15-20 lbs lighter, and I don't see the speed/quicks to separate. He wins with physicality atthrcatch point and I think that will be totally neutralized in the pros. I see more Limas Sweed than Mike Evans.

 

Yea I have conversed with Matt about him. He loves him. Has him as a top 10 player in the draft (though admittedly a top 10 player in this draft is not a top 10 player in every draft). I don't hate London at all, I see him as similar to Tee Higgins in 2020 and I was higher than most on Tee and have been proven right on that but I had him as a borderline 1st.... Tee went 33rd. I actually have London a point lower by my grading system at the moment as a high 2nd. He will go in the 1st I think.... but I think there are definitely better receivers than him in this class and I don't see Mike Evans either. 

[YoloinOhio]

4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

If you could provide some links I'd be much obliged.

 

 

I understand what you're saying but for the sake of discussion, when you have an elite QB as we do, it's never a bad idea to add an elite weapon.

 

Say we had Elijah Moore last year (who I liked more than Kadarius Toney). A player of that impact playing with Josh would result in how many more points? How many more wins? Home field advantage? What else? I like Gregory Rousseau but how many wins was he responsible for? Did he make a difference in the playoff loss to KC?

 

So to me that's the counterargument to what you're saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.thedraftscout.com/p/2022-nfl-mock-draft-post-super-bowl

 

There are various mocks at TDN, this analyst follows the Bills most closely 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-senior-bowl

[H2o]

24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

https://www.thedraftscout.com/p/2022-nfl-mock-draft-post-super-bowl

 

There are various mocks at TDN, this analyst follows the Bills most closely 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-senior-bowl

I thought Ed was supposed to be our 3-Tech and we were looking for a 1-Tech to replace Star? This guy seems to be penciling Ed into that 1-Tech spot. 

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

https://www.thedraftscout.com/p/2022-nfl-mock-draft-post-super-bowl

 

There are various mocks at TDN, this analyst follows the Bills most closely 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-mock-draft-2022-senior-bowl

 

Marino is a Bills fan. I find myself disagreeing with him a fair bit though haha. 

8 minutes ago, H2o said:

I thought Ed was supposed to be our 3-Tech and we were looking for a 1-Tech to replace Star? This guy seems to be penciling Ed into that 1-Tech spot. 

 

I am not sure he is saying that. He says Wyatt has the versatility to play over the nose (which is not actually over the nose in our scheme it is 1 tech) or as a 3 tech. 

 

I think he is thinking you could play Wyatt at 1 tech on 1st and 2nd down and then play with double 3 techs in a pass rush package. 

 

The Bills did use Ed at 1 tech a fair bit in 2020 because he was our best DT and we were struggling but he was almost exclusively a 3 tech in 2021. I suspect that is where the Bills see him long term.

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, H2o said:

I thought Ed was supposed to be our 3-Tech and we were looking for a 1-Tech to replace Star? This guy seems to be penciling Ed into that 1-Tech spot. 

He actually says he would be able to play either 1 tech or 3 tech in a rotation. He likes Oliver at 3 tech. 

[BigAl2526]

21 hours ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

Isn’t he too similar to Davis? He’s 6’3”225. Should we go Dotson instead for the speed aspect of his game? I’m just asking, I would love Burke’s guys a monster and can run a 4.5 

NFL Draft Buzz has him running a 4.34.  4.5 is on the high end of estimates I've seen lately. 

 

[John from Riverside]

14 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

Why do people think this is a need?

 

The Bills don’t need a wideout anywhere near as much as IOL and DE.

 

Diggs and Davis dominated defenses in 2020, and when they had a chance to play together in ‘21.

 

Why fix what isn’t broke?

 

Because if the passing game of this team doesnt remain a strength we will regress

Because we dont know whats going to happen with Cole and McKenzie

Because Gabe Davis (who deserves a shot at the number 2) could fall flat on his face....he takes advantage of being "that guy" that is not Diggs or Cole.

Because as good as we are on offense....we still lack a YAC monster that actually takes a ball and makes people miss down the field not named Diggs.

[Chicken Boo]

19 hours ago, Estro said:

I'm not as high on the 2 bigger Wrs, London and Burks.  Neither one creates much separation. I prefer the quicker, faster shifter guys like Wilson, Williams, Olave and Dotson.  

 

I also think the Bills prefer WRs that create separation and IMO Burks does not fit that description.

 

I like London a lot, but yes, it seems he doesn't create separation.  Definitely a red flag.

[BigAl2526]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Marino is a Bills fan. I find myself disagreeing with him a fair bit though haha. 

 

I am not sure he is saying that. He says Wyatt has the versatility to play over the nose (which is not actually over the nose in our scheme it is 1 tech) or as a 3 tech. 

 

I think he is thinking you could play Wyatt at 1 tech on 1st and 2nd down and then play with double 3 techs in a pass rush package. 

 

The Bills did use Ed at 1 tech a fair bit in 2020 because he was our best DT and we were struggling but he was almost exclusively a 3 tech in 2021. I suspect that is where the Bills see him long term.

Yeah, for a good share of his career in Buffalo, the team's plans for him at 3 tech have been undercut by issues with Lotulelei at 1 tech.  First, it was Star opting out during the "COVID season" and this past season it was Lotulelei's ineffectiveness after he got COVID.

 

Also, 2021 was the first season that Phillips has begun to live up to his potential.

Edited February 23, 2022 by BigAl2526

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

WR in the first two rounds is pretty much a foregone conclusion unless we are able to somehow sign one of the tops guys (Adams, Allen Robinson, Juju, Mike Williams) and keep their salary under the cap constraints.

 

Out of Treylon Burks, Jameson Williams, and Jahan Dotson, at least one of these guys should be available at #25. If we end up taking a small speed receiver early, I would also like to get Justyn Ross in the 3rd to add some size to our wr group. His stock has gone down, but I think he still hasn't reached his ceiling.

[Buffalo Junction]

21 hours ago, Doc said:

Mocks are worthless until about a week after FA starts. 

I prefer these real early mocks though. They haven’t been tainted by the combine numbers, so the expected rankings are off college performance. That’s the value I see in them, but team needs are worthless in them. 

21 hours ago, Doc said:

Mocks are worthless until about a week after FA starts. 

I prefer these real early mocks though. They haven’t been tainted by the combine numbers, so the expected rankings are off college performance. That’s the value I see in them, but team needs are worthless in them.