Daniel Jeremiah Mock Draft 2.0 - Bills take Treylon Burks: 3.0 - Bills take Breece Hall

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am anti Dotson in the first. He is a slot receiver to me and if you are taking a guy in round 1 they better be capable of playing outside. 

 

 

I agree that you don't use a first on a slot-only WR.    

 

But you thought Justin Jefferson was slot-only though too and he's turned into nearly the opposite..........a massive big play threat.........the top yardage producing WR in the entire NFL the past 2 seasons.

 

Dotson is physically more likely to be slot-only than the long and lanky Jefferson was, IMO...........but if he tears it up in testing I will think higher of his chances to play all 3 spots.

[DCofNC]

21 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Fred Jackson was his hero!

Then I’m sold, draft him.

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he is thinking you could play Wyatt at 1 tech on 1st and 2nd down and then play with double 3 techs in a pass rush package. 

 

 

 

Yep..........and I do believe Wyatt would be an excellent fit just like that...........and probably a nice replacement for Oliver himself when that day comes...........but  a lot would have to be off the board to keep adding to a relative strength at a mid-value position when you can satisfy a long term solution at a high value position.

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I agree that you don't use a first on a slot-only WR.    

 

But you thought Justin Jefferson was slot-only though too and he's turned into nearly the opposite..........a massive big play threat.........the top yardage producing WR in the entire NFL the past 2 seasons.

 

Dotson is physically more likely to be slot-only than the long and lanky Jefferson was, IMO...........but if he tears it up in testing I will think higher of his chances to play all 3 spots.

 

Yep. I was wrong on Jefferson, I thought he was a big slot guy only. I see Dotson as more Jalen Reagor with better hands than Justin Jefferson though. 

 

The issue with Jefferson was his tape as a wideout split wide from 2018 was very average. It left you to speculate was what you saw in 2019 and the miracle season a result of a move to the slot where he faced less press or was it a combination of that and natural development - basically he was just a much better player in 2019. It turned out it was most definitely the latter. 

[DCofNC]

23 hours ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

Isn’t he too similar to Davis? He’s 6’3”225. Should we go Dotson instead for the speed aspect of his game? I’m just asking, I would love Burke’s guys a monster and can run a 4.5 

I would rather have a WR core full of physical specimens that can not only put run a DB, but make a contested catch.  The difference in 1/20th of a second in the 40 is unlikely to be the difference of success or failure as a great player, but it often gets guys with little football skill drafted because of the perception of it meaning something.  If you look at the great WRs, there are very few burners and a bunch of guys that are 6ft tall or taller and are considered “slow” at the combine.  
 

I guess to the point, would you rather have Henry Ruggs (pre stupidity) or Julio Jones? Crazy fast is nice, if they can stay healthy, but ultimately a well rounded player is the better bet.  
 

Right now the Bills get to the Red Zone and have to rely on Allen too much to either run or make a perfect touch pass because they only have Davis (who apparently was forgot about early in the year, but I digress) or Knox to go to that can physically win off the line and box a DB out.   Love Diggs, but he’s not a RZ threat so to speak, Beasley can be and is blown up a lot at the line, Sanders was the same and that’s all they run out there.  I hope Dorsey turns up the physical play a bit more, use Doyle as a massive TE or FB, and they add another big guy or 2 as receivers. Small is great between the 20’s, but when you need to work in tight areas, size is a huge bonus. 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I was wrong on Jefferson, I thought he was a big slot guy only. I see Dotson as more Jalen Reagor with better hands than Justin Jefferson though. 

 

The issue with Jefferson was his tape as a wideout split wide from 2018 was very average. It left you to speculate was what you saw in 2019 and the miracle season a result of a move to the slot where he faced less press or was it a combination of that and natural development - basically he was just a much better player in 2019. It turned out it was most definitely the latter. 

 

 

Yeah, similarly I see Garrett Wilson as a significantly different player in 2021 than he had been in 2020.    I think that's why he's passed Olave in the minds of a lot of people.       

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah, similarly I see Garrett Wilson as a significantly different player in 2021 than he had been in 2020.    I think that's why he's passed Olave in the minds of a lot of people.       

 

I am still higher on Olave but I aclnowledge I have a type when it comes to receivers and it is route runners. Olave is the best route runner in the class to my eye. 

[The Jokeman]

He freaky athletic ability makes him sound like a Beane type pick in the 1st, it's not out of the question unless a freaky NT or OG prospect fell to us. I also could see us taking a LB Devin Lloyd if we don't bring Klein back and successor to Edmunds in his 2nd season. 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/22/2022 at 4:57 PM, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

My likes (from watching some film):

-YAC monster (which we need).

-High-points with ferocity and authority.

-Dusted some Bama DB's, so even though he's a big boy, he does have some serious speed.

-Versatile: Saw some plays out of the backfield, jet sweeps, etc...

 

The big questions:

 

-Will he be there for us?

-IF he is there, as well as Jameson Williams, who do you choose? Tough call to make.

Interesting that DJ has Linderbaum at 26 and Williams at 27. If we can get a couple random unexpected players drafted early (like the Raiders always do), we're going to have some real good choices at 25.  After watching our 3 DE's kinda have quiet seasons, I say full steam ahead on offensive picks. Get your pass rusher by FA or trade.

[Motor26]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Interesting that DJ has Linderbaum at 26 and Williams at 27. If we can get a couple random unexpected players drafted early (like the Raiders always do), we're going to have some real good choices at 25.  After watching our 3 DE's kinda have quiet seasons, I say full steam ahead on offensive picks. Get your pass rusher by FA or trade.

If Linderbaum is there at 25 (no way he makes it past the 3 Eagles picks) he is the guy I’d want. 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, Motor26 said:

If Linderbaum is there at 25 (no way he makes it past the 3 Eagles picks) he is the guy I’d want. 

 

See my post earlier in the week in the "Draft Thoughts" thread. The noises seem to be that teams are not universally high on him. Zone blocking teams like him, teams running more gap or power schemes are less keen and there are teams who have him off their boards. If the Bills are (as it appears) going to be more of a gap blocking team then not sure they'd take him even if he got to #25. 

[newcam2012]

16 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

He freaky athletic ability makes him sound like a Beane type pick in the 1st, it's not out of the question unless a freaky NT or OG prospect fell to us. I also could see us taking a LB Devin Lloyd if we don't bring Klein back and successor to Edmunds in his 2nd season. 

I prefer Lloyd. 

[Simon Says]

On 2/22/2022 at 3:00 PM, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

Isn’t he too similar to Davis? He’s 6’3”225. Should we go Dotson instead for the speed aspect of his game? I’m just asking, I would love Burke’s guys a monster and can run a 4.5 

Is 4.5 really THAT fast? LOL! I kind of like the idea of adding offensive fire power,with Sanders and McKenzie becoming free agents and Beasley’s future up in the air. 

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, Georgie said:

Is 4.5 really THAT fast? LOL! I kind of like the idea of adding offensive fire power,with Sanders and McKenzie becoming free agents and Beasley’s future up in the air. 

 

No, but there ain't many guys that size and that physical running low 4.5s. He reminds me a bit of CeeDee Lamb in that he is a pretty big guy (Burks is 6'3, Lamb is 6'2) but actually he is better with the ball in his hands after the catch than as a contested catch guy. He isn't as polished as Lamb nor does he have quite the same college production but that is who I see. A slightly less refined CeeDee. I think CeeDee ran a low 4.5 and I think Burks needs to do the same or better to be a 1st rounder. 

[starrymessenger]

On 2/23/2022 at 5:56 PM, Motor26 said:

If Linderbaum is there at 25 (no way he makes it past the 3 Eagles picks) he is the guy I’d want. 

He’s a great player/technician and it’s fair to say it’s a position of need. But he’s not ideal for any blocking scheme being on the small side. A lot would depend on what Kromer wanted to do. Zone great, power\man not so much.

Edited February 25, 2022 by starrymessenger

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[YoloinOhio]

On 2/25/2022 at 6:53 PM, starrymessenger said:

He’s a great player/technician and it’s fair to say it’s a position of need. But he’s not ideal for any blocking scheme being on the small side. A lot would depend on what Kromer wanted to do. Zone great, power\man not so much.

I also think he’s a Center only. Morse is 29. 

[CapeBreton]

4.5 is a solid time and I’m surprised he didn’t run faster considering how fast everyone else did, lots of crazy low times. Maybe we do have a shot at him at 25 but I don’t believe the Bills even met with him at the combine. 

[Motorin']

On 2/25/2022 at 1:04 PM, Georgie said:

Is 4.5 really THAT fast? LOL! I kind of like the idea of adding offensive fire power,with Sanders and McKenzie becoming free agents and Beasley’s future up in the air. 

 

Physically he's basically AJ Brown, a little taller, more wingspan. 

[Norcalbillsfan]

Seeing as people are comping him to deebo I highly doubt he makes it to us. Copy cat league everyone is gonna be looking for the next deebo.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

Seeing as people are comping him to deebo I highly doubt he makes it to us. Copy cat league everyone is gonna be looking for the next deebo.

 

I don't think he is the next Deebo. That is a bad comp IMO. I've seen AJ Brown and I understand that more. Personally I see a slightly bigger, less polished CeeDee Lamb. He might "look" like more of an X receiver with his size who is going to run down the field vertically and win on the outside but in reality I think he is more of Z receiver who you are going to run a lot of crossers with and be a real zone beater who will do his best work with the ball in his hands and generate major YAC. Chris Godwin is the other guy that comes to mind but he is slightly faster than Lamb and Burks. 

[Norcalbillsfan]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he is the next Deebo. That is a bad comp IMO. I've seen AJ Brown and I understand that more. Personally I see a slightly bigger, less polished CeeDee Lamb. He might "look" like more of an X receiver with his size who is going to run down the field vertically and win on the outside but in reality I think he is more of Z receiver who you are going to run a lot of crossers with and be a real zone beater who will do his best work with the ball in his hands and generate major YAC. Chris Godwin is the other guy that comes to mind but he is slightly faster than Lamb and Burks. 

I don't think he's deebo either, no one is. Deebo is just a freak outlier. But arkansas used him like a deebo all over the feild. I think more teams saw what the niners were able to do with him. And try to find that themselves, like many teams have been trying to find the next Hill, that difference maker x factor.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[TBBills]

On 2/22/2022 at 3:00 PM, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

Isn’t he too similar to Davis? He’s 6’3”225. Should we go Dotson instead for the speed aspect of his game? I’m just asking, I would love Burke’s guys a monster and can run a 4.5 

Everyone wants speed but can the speed catch the ball?

[Chicken Boo]

On 2/22/2022 at 3:00 PM, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

Isn’t he too similar to Davis? He’s 6’3”225. Should we go Dotson instead for the speed aspect of his game? I’m just asking, I would love Burke’s guys a monster and can run a 4.5 

 

I was thinking the same, but really, you could move Diggs all over the field.  I think he should be used in the slot more like Adams and Kupp.

[Motorin']

6 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Everyone wants speed but can the speed catch the ball?

 

Burks has game speed, that's for sure. 

[BigAl2526]

I thought his combine results were underwhelming.  He'll be a good pro, but I'm hoping for something a little more impactful in a first round pick.  At WR, I think Buffalo needs some speed.  Diggs is pretty fast, but outside of him the Bills are pretty average in the speed department, especially if McKenzie is gone.

[John from Riverside]

On 3/4/2022 at 2:15 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he is the next Deebo. That is a bad comp IMO. I've seen AJ Brown and I understand that more. Personally I see a slightly bigger, less polished CeeDee Lamb. He might "look" like more of an X receiver with his size who is going to run down the field vertically and win on the outside but in reality I think he is more of Z receiver who you are going to run a lot of crossers with and be a real zone beater who will do his best work with the ball in his hands and generate major YAC. Chris Godwin is the other guy that comes to mind but he is slightly faster than Lamb and Burks. 

Huge hands to catch Josh Allen's lasers...I like him

[bigduke6]

On 2/22/2022 at 3:54 PM, Big Turk said:

I'd rather take Chris Olave from Ohio State if he is there...true burner with 4.38 speed and great route runner.

hell id take Olave or Wilson tbh.

[JaCrispy]

Don’t know why, but Burke does nothing for me...I could see him dropping...

[MiltonWaddams]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Two years ago, the Philadelphia Eagles made one of the worst wide receiver draft picks in recent history. Last year, they picked a guy who should be great, but really wasn’t. Not sure if they should be the gold standard in scouting wide receivers.

[mannc]

For those who were disappointed in Burks’s 40 time at the combine, Deebo Samuel ran a 4.48…the Deebo comp still seems legit to me.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

For those who were disappointed in Burks’s 40 time at the combine, Deebo Samuel ran a 4.48…the Deebo comp still seems legit to me.

 

While I understand the Deebo comparison in that Arkansas moved him around the field I'm not sure Deebo is who I see on film. Deebo was always a swiss army knife type coming out lots of taking short passes for big ones. Sure, Burks can do some of that but I think he is better in those intermediate and deeper areas. I see a slightly less polished CeeDee Lamb myself. The first time I sat down to watch Burks's tape that is immediately who came to my mind. 

 

Agree though that people worried about his 40 time are worried about nothing. I increasingly think Burks is an option for us. I'm struggling to find obvious fits for him higher up the first round. 

[OldTimer1960]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

While I understand the Deebo comparison in that Arkansas moved him around the field I'm not sure Deebo is who I see on film. Deebo was always a swiss army knife type coming out lots of taking short passes for big ones. Sure, Burks can do some of that but I think he is better in those intermediate and deeper areas. I see a slightly less polished CeeDee Lamb myself. The first time I sat down to watch Burks's tape that is immediately who came to my mind. 

 

Agree though that people worried about his 40 time are worried about nothing. I increasingly think Burks is an option for us. I'm struggling to find obvious fits for him higher up the first round. 

Does he catch well enough with his hands?  In limited views, I felt like he favored body catching and that would not be good with Allen firing bullets at him.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Does he catch well enough with his hands?  In limited views, I felt like he favored body catching and that would not be good with Allen firing bullets at him.

 

Interesting I really like his hands. He had a super low drop rate and there is not much evidence if a hands problem on his tape. There are plenty of one handers outside the frame of the body.

[OldTimer1960]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Interesting I really like his hands. He had a super low drop rate and there is not much evidence if a hands problem on his tape. There are plenty of one handers outside the frame of the body.

Good news then, I think I saw him vs. Alabama body catch a few - maybe that was rare.  Watched some more of what I can find and I think my criticism wasn’t warranted.  He looks plenty fast on the field, too.

Edited March 12, 2022 by OldTimer1960
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[YoloinOhio]

Mock 3.0 - Bills take Breece Hall

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-packers-nab-2-receivers-in-round-1-after

[billieve420]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Mock 3.0 - Bills take Breece Hall

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-packers-nab-2-receivers-in-round-1-after

 

Hopefully not at #25 and only after trading down.

[Einstein's Dog]

I'm a big WR in the first type, but if the draft unfolded that way with the top 5 WRs gone, I would think the FO would go CB.  Andrew Booth maybe.

[GreggTX]

I'm glad he's not picking for us.