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7 hours ago, NewEra said:

I come here for many reasons.  I enjoy discussing our favorite team and the league that it plays in.  I enjoy reading different perspectives than my own (even though they’re all wrong if not aligned with mine, obv). I enjoy learning about prospects, schemes and football 101.  I enjoy discussing the draft.  I enjoy reading the same nonsense from the same idiots on a daily basis.   It makes me feel better about myself knowing that I’m not that stupid (regardless of what you might think 🤔).

 

This loss to the chiefs was unusually painful.  Worse than any loss I can remember, as a fan or as a participant. Pain.   I haven’t watched or listened to one second of sports talk/social media since.  Every time a buddy texts me about something sports related, my reply is the same: too soon.  
 

That said, I can’t seem to stay away from tbd.  I’ve been coming here for just short of 20 years now and I enjoy it more often ever (thanks to 17, most of you guys pretty much suck).  Until this week.  This week has been pathetic.  Maybe I’ve been pathetic too, being unable to swallow anything sports related, but some of the takes this week….. good ****ing lord.  We have a great team that should have won the SB of not for 

a bad coaching decision/s. Yet all I see is doom and gloom/nonsense spewing 🤮.  Yes it sucks that we lost, but don’t over think it. We’re a championship caliber team. We didn’t lose because Motor isn’t good enough.  We didn’t lose because Beane didn’t draft Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith (like I wanted them to).  We didn’t lose because our players aren’t fast enough. We didn’t lose because Tremaine edmunds sucks.  We didn’t lose because we don’t have a premier pass rusher. We didn’t lose because Cole Beasley didn’t get vaccinated.  Stop.  We lost because of a bad coaching decision/failed communications within our STs.  Not sure which, but that’s why we lost.  We had the game 95% won and then 13 seconds happened.  We’ll never know why we lost or what we could’ve done to ensure a win.  I know it’s a message board and this is what we do…..but it’s not enjoyable right now, for me anyways.  Act like you’ve been there before…..because most of you have.  I know it was a tough loss, but get it together tbd.

I hope the venting helps.  We are all getting over it in our own ways.  i do agree with the crux of your argument though - coaching at the end lost us that game.  And what’s worse on that front is that the one coordinator who didn’t contribute to that coaching debacle is the one that just left.

 

The 2021 Bills were not a team without flaws, but they were a championship caliber team.  If we’d have won the KC game I don’t know if we’d have won it all or not, but this team was certainly capable of it.  That’s why this one hurt so bad.  Up until now the Bills haven’t been good enough to win it all, but this year they were.  And we don’t know how many good shots this team will get.  Whatever that number was, it’s one less now.

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7 hours ago, NewEra said:

I know it was a tough loss, but get it together tbd.

Thanks, dad!

 

Like you, I've avoided any national talk and have read zero articles about 13 seconds. It was a gut wrencher and it, like wide right, is something I'll not ever get past.

 

Adversity (I know, it's only sports, but something we take too seriously) brings out the best and it brings out the worst. We're hurt, depressed, angry, perplexed etc. because we care so much about that damn team. Not much in life is deserved, but dammit we deserve a SB win.  Hang tough, TBD will come through, like it always does.

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The irony of people not watching sports media stuff this week is that most of the talk was actually about the Bills - Josh Allen specifically.

 

I have never heard so many people praise Allen at any point since he was drafted. Most of the talk this week was about how amazing he is and how he didn't deserve to lose.

 

I feel less hurt about it than I have about losses in the past because of what we have in Allen and how bright he makes the future. Looking forward to seeing how many FAs want to come to Buffalo so they get the chance to play with him

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message boards allow we posters to share our innermost thoughts and reflections. Of course the fanbase is going to be all over the map emotionally...to me its a human condition ....we all process life differently. And this to we bill fans is a significant event of loss.

 

when I come to 2bd it is to glean wisdom and yes even a rebuke or challenge to MY possibly stinking thinking an wake Up. Take another tack.  I agree with st pete above.  This site moves fast and pick and choose threads for your own gratification AND sanity.

 

I consider myself a work in progress but NOONE here is a bandwagoner.......I really doubt it. I could be wrong. I enjoy the fellowship

 

Hang in there @NewEra. best to you/Aall

 

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7 hours ago, MJS said:

Followed by 6 more titled:

 

"Guys, I figured it out! The coaches blew our one shot for a Superbowl!"

Fire Lesley Frazier or McD or both! They cost us our chance just sickening- worst part McD won’t own up to the incompetence game management at the end of game!
Mcd & Lesley should sit in So Fi suites cheering the Chiefs on- there the Reason The Chiefs are in Super Bowl!

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7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Sorry if I touched a nerve. If you read this and see this as a lecture, good.  It’s meant for you. I ain’t lying. 

You haven’t been here before. I promise you, I have. 

Fire Lesley Frazier or McD!
we may never be that close again- but as The one post said- who cares if we get another wr,de, Reb- We still have the incompetent coaching ! Pegulas Fire who ever was responsible!

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7 hours ago, NewEra said:

I come here for many reasons.  I enjoy discussing our favorite team and the league that it plays in.  I enjoy reading different perspectives than my own (even though they’re all wrong if not aligned with mine, obv). I enjoy learning about prospects, schemes and football 101.  I enjoy discussing the draft.  I enjoy reading the same nonsense from the same idiots on a daily basis.   It makes me feel better about myself knowing that I’m not that stupid (regardless of what you might think 🤔).

 

This loss to the chiefs was unusually painful.  Worse than any loss I can remember, as a fan or as a participant. Pain.   I haven’t watched or listened to one second of sports talk/social media since.  Every time a buddy texts me about something sports related, my reply is the same: too soon.  
 

That said, I can’t seem to stay away from tbd.  I’ve been coming here for just short of 20 years now and I enjoy it more often ever (thanks to 17, most of you guys pretty much suck).  Until this week.  This week has been pathetic.  Maybe I’ve been pathetic too, being unable to swallow anything sports related, but some of the takes this week….. good ****ing lord.  We have a great team that should have won the SB of not for 

a bad coaching decision/s. Yet all I see is doom and gloom/nonsense spewing 🤮.  Yes it sucks that we lost, but don’t over think it. We’re a championship caliber team. We didn’t lose because Motor isn’t good enough.  We didn’t lose because Beane didn’t draft Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith (like I wanted them to).  We didn’t lose because our players aren’t fast enough. We didn’t lose because Tremaine edmunds sucks.  We didn’t lose because we don’t have a premier pass rusher. We didn’t lose because Cole Beasley didn’t get vaccinated.  Stop.  We lost because of a bad coaching decision/failed communications within our STs.  Not sure which, but that’s why we lost.  We had the game 95% won and then 13 seconds happened.  We’ll never know why we lost or what we could’ve done to ensure a win.  I know it’s a message board and this is what we do…..but it’s not enjoyable right now, for me anyways.  Act like you’ve been there before…..because most of you have.  I know it was a tough loss, but get it together tbd.

Pretty impressive little assessment. Much respect for that.

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Some people are just whiny *****.  Time has passed, it’s a game, get the ***** over it already.  Some posters need to realize more self worth in their own lives.  Those who can’t come in here to complain constantly.  I’m not talking posters who are venting…I’m talking about the one who will never let it go.  
 

 

let it go. 

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Hey New Era

 

Why don’t you callOne Bills drive- maybe you’ll be lucky enough to go to the Super bowl and root for the Chiefs with McD & Lesley Frazier - hell the Hunts I sure will give you all a Suite to enjoy the game in!
our coaching staff is the Reason the Chiefs are a Dynasty I’m listening to now! Enjoy this say it’s ok!
When in reality until we make changes with the ineptitude this will never change!
 

 

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Here is what I can't wrap my head around.  If all of the voices lamenting that this coaching staff is the albatross that kept us from the promised land, then why are those same voices so certain that the football red seas would have just parted for us and allowed this same coaching staff to guide us through the next two games unscathed to that promised land.  We were not entitled to win the Super Bowl, even if we had won this game.  There were two VERY tough games ahead.  The takeaway from 13 seconds, from Jacksonville, is that nothing in the NFL is a given.  Give your psyche a break and stop assuming that we were entitled to the Super Bowl had we won.  We were far from that.  "Two more rivers to cross" as Marv used to say.  And those were not little puddles to jump.

 

 

41 years ago, I and many here felt the same crushing emotion when we felt that Joe Ferguson's ankle and a defensive blown coverage cost us our shot at what would have become a  AFCCG home game against the wild card Raiders (who went on to win the Super Bowl against all odds).  Nobody believed that Raiders team was capable of beating the all powerful Air Coryell Chargers.  We did however like our chances of hosting them with our #1 defense.  But The Raiders did beat those Chargers, and then they won the Super Bowl.  It was only afterwards that I started to question the certainty that I felt that we would have beaten those wild card Raiders and rolled to a Super Bowl win against The Eagles who had upset might Dallas to get to Super Bowl XV.  And then the Eagles, whom we all assumed that The Bills would easily handle in The Super Bowl, came in to Buffalo early the following season on a Thursday night and rolled The Bills.  The Raiders were apparently the team of destiny, the team on a roll that I had assumed The Bills to be.  Presumed wins are not real.  We were not 13 seconds from winning THIS Super Bowl any more that we were a fractured ankle and a blown defensive assignment away from winning THAT Super Bowl.

 

As Bill Parcells used to say, "you are who your record says you are".  We lost in the divisional round.  I hear all this chatter about how hard it is to get "back" to the Super Bowl.  Really?  You have to get there in order to get back.  We have not been there yet for a reason an it's not all coaching.  In mid season, it was obvious that this team was good, but flawed.  The roster needs some tweaks.  During the season, they patched some holes and got on a nice run behind a great QB.  And say what you will about this coaching staff, but they do seem to have that intangible of getting their teams to peak and maximize their ability during the stretch run.    I can't help but be optimistic about where that takes us in the near future.

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As long as the world is turning,

 

There will always be a variety of different reactions to the Bills latest news/game

 

And those cursing others because of a non-uniform response

 

Or "My response is more relevant/just/smarter/better than that guy's"

 

Celebrate the variety - it will always be here. 

 

Plenty of echo chambers out there (like Twitter) to control those you want to hear from.

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7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

NewEra you make it seem like it is easy to get back to the SB. We are lamenting the lost opportunity because it is really hard. Yes Allen is a top 3 QB. But so was Marino. So was Elway. So was Brees. All kinds of things can happen in a season. We are hurting because they had a great shot to win it all. People have been posting about 10-15 year windows to win the SB. That is incredibly unlikely.  It more likely the Bills go the way of Seattle when the real effects of Allen's extension kick in. 

The coaching staff and Beane blew a great opportunity when Allen was still relatively affordable. That all comes to a halt in a couple years.  

They should have been win at all costs this year just like LA.  Hopefully Beane will adjust.

 

The pain will lessen, but not for many weeks.

 

But we wouldn't have been in the super bowl. We would have had to beat a good Bengals team with a good quarterback, something we didn't do all season. Then we likely would have had to do it again in the super bowl against the Rams. 

 

We made it to the divisional round, something we should be doing every year for the next ten years with JA. This "we lost an opportunity that's so hard to come by!" is a total exaggeration.

 

 

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1 hour ago, billsfan714 said:

Which is it?   We lost because of a bad coaching decision or we'll never know why?  It was more than the kickoff, the prevent D said here KC take easy chunks of yards with 2 timeouts.   Isn't Sean a defensive coach?    We lost because of incompetent coaching, it isnt some mystery.

Some fans just expect to ignore and think this type of golden opportunity will be the norm.  Everything was falling into place,  Cincy beat the Titans which meant playing AFC title game in Buffalo and both Rogers and Brady were eliminated. The fact is the AFC is loaded with top young QB'S and those teams are going to get better. Anyone comparing this to our Super Bowl teams keep forgetting those teams had HOF talent on both sides of the football. Bruce Smith was the best DE ever along with Biscuit and Talley in front 7.  Our current front 7 is filled out with average to good players but not one elite level player

 

On offence Kelly had one of the best all round RB'S to play the game in Thomas  along with two HOF wide receivers in Reed and Lofton.  I think you could put Diggs & maybe White in those categories of elite but White is now recovering from ACL injury so you don't know how he returns.  It was a very painful meltdown and very tough to ignore and not get sick about thinking how we blew a massive opportunity.

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The Bills couldn’t hold TWO leads inside the final 1:50 of the game,  and they allowed an easy walkoff TD drive in OT to cap it off.

 

Lets face it, KC was a little better in the end.  It wasn’t all that fluky…. like the stupid Music City play all those years ago. 

It doesn’t make it easier to accept the loss, but we didn’t implode,  the Chiefs just took it.  And their coaches/players in crunch time were smarter than our D side.

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12 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said:

“The more the Internet exposes people to new points of view, the angrier people get that different views exist.”  - Benedict Evans

 

Pro Tip: The scroll-wheel on your mouse is your friend!  👍 

It's not my friend it's a ***** wheel.

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1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Super Bowl windows are a lot more complicated than simply having Josh Allen on the team.

 

And the window stays open for a lot shorter time than Josh's playing career.

 

Marino went to the SB in his second season and figured he'd be there frequently!  Never got there again in a 16 season career.

 

You just can't piss away solid gold opportunities the way we did in KC!

 

 

 


Youre  still upset.  Ok.  Maybe it’s too soon for you to see what a great team McBeane has assembled, and yes, you can make the comment how short the SB is, but if you believe in the team, you’d see they’ve done nothing but add to this team every year.

 

yeah, we blew it in 13 seconds.  I also saw a HC who coached a team for 59 minutes and 47 seconds.  BTW- I know we win that game and we’re in the SB.  We would beat Cincy.

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8 hours ago, NewEra said:

I come here for many reasons.  I enjoy discussing our favorite team and the league that it plays in.  I enjoy reading different perspectives than my own (even though they’re all wrong if not aligned with mine, obv). I enjoy learning about prospects, schemes and football 101.  I enjoy discussing the draft.  I enjoy reading the same nonsense from the same idiots on a daily basis.   It makes me feel better about myself knowing that I’m not that stupid (regardless of what you might think 🤔).

 

This loss to the chiefs was unusually painful.  Worse than any loss I can remember, as a fan or as a participant. Pain.   I haven’t watched or listened to one second of sports talk/social media since.  Every time a buddy texts me about something sports related, my reply is the same: too soon.  
 

That said, I can’t seem to stay away from tbd.  I’ve been coming here for just short of 20 years now and I enjoy it more often ever (thanks to 17, most of you guys pretty much suck).  Until this week.  This week has been pathetic.  Maybe I’ve been pathetic too, being unable to swallow anything sports related, but some of the takes this week….. good ****ing lord.  We have a great team that should have won the SB of not for 

a bad coaching decision/s. Yet all I see is doom and gloom/nonsense spewing 🤮.  Yes it sucks that we lost, but don’t over think it. We’re a championship caliber team. We didn’t lose because Motor isn’t good enough.  We didn’t lose because Beane didn’t draft Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith (like I wanted them to).  We didn’t lose because our players aren’t fast enough. We didn’t lose because Tremaine edmunds sucks.  We didn’t lose because we don’t have a premier pass rusher. We didn’t lose because Cole Beasley didn’t get vaccinated.  Stop.  We lost because of a bad coaching decision/failed communications within our STs.  Not sure which, but that’s why we lost.  We had the game 95% won and then 13 seconds happened.  We’ll never know why we lost or what we could’ve done to ensure a win.  I know it’s a message board and this is what we do…..but it’s not enjoyable right now, for me anyways.  Act like you’ve been there before…..because most of you have.  I know it was a tough loss, but get it together tbd.

Creating a thread to complain that posters on a message board are making your experience less enjoyable than you want is some narcissistic BS.

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21 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The Bills couldn’t hold TWO leads inside the final 1:50 of the game,  and they allowed an easy walkoff TD drive in OT to cap it off.

 

Lets face it, KC was a little better in the end.  It wasn’t all that fluky…. like the stupid Music City play all those years ago. 

It doesn’t make it easier to accept the loss, but we didn’t implode,  the Chiefs just took it.  And their coaches/players in crunch time were smarter than our D side.

How is this not imploding? What other word would you use to describe pissing away a lead with 13 seconds left?

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1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

I agree with you on Daboll and wasting opportunities trying to run,  I also question if he was was influenced by Sean on choosing to run in this game? We have seen Daboll call games where they doin't run at all and pass close to 50 times. Once the Chiefs lost their starting safety and best DB the game plan needed to flip and you attack the middle of the field like we saw after they fell behind by 9 points.

 

The ending was terrible but even Tony Romo and Jim Nance mentioned that they thought the Bills were playing too conservative. Again how much does the conservative play calling by both coordinators connect basal to the HC because I have heard people own this site say Frazier is conservative only because Sean wants its that way.  

McD has often said he wants to see a balance and always is praising the run game.  Can see it with Allen's stats this year.  As good as they were Allen was only 10th in the league in passing yards/gm.  

 

I'd love it if McD wanted the #1 Offense in Football, not the #1 Defense.  The Bills were #3 in Offense, but only 9th in passing.  Funny they were 6th in rushing (thanks Josh Allen again).  

 

If anything they should strive to be better on Offense, but won't hear that from McD.

 

What they need too is a better DL and more sacks.   Again the Bills feasted on bad QB's.  The only good QBs all year were Mahomes & Brady.  Then Tannehill & Ryan & that was it.  Then you had Newton, Roethlisberger, Wentz, back-ups & rookies.  Everything aligned for the Bills.  There was no Rodgers, Burrow, Herbert, Prescott,  Stafford, Jackson, Cousins.....  

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As soon as the Chiefs scored the TD in Overtime to win the game, my wife and I turned to each other, commented how great of a game it was, said the Bills are better this year than last year, and looked forward to the future. She then went to bed and I stayed up for a bit for post game coverage. 

 

I get wrapped up in Bills games, but not to the point where "It's 5 days later and the pain is still so deep". I guess once your wife has 3 cancer diagnosis in one year, a Bills playoff loss is no big deal. (She had the same type of cancer Jim Kelly had. She, like Jim, is cancer free for a couple of years). 

Some here need perspective. A Bills playoff loss sucks, but it doesn't end your life. 

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37 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The Bills couldn’t hold TWO leads inside the final 1:50 of the game,  and they allowed an easy walkoff TD drive in OT to cap it off.

 

Lets face it, KC was a little better in the end.  It wasn’t all that fluky…. like the stupid Music City play all those years ago. 

It doesn’t make it easier to accept the loss, but we didn’t implode,  the Chiefs just took it.  And their coaches/players in crunch time were smarter than our D side.

I was right with you until you brought up the music city miracle into This discussion u kind of lost me,  I dont see that as relevant to our game in KC at all beyond they both are top controversial/memorable in Bills lore. No Trick play beat the Bills in KC imo at all it was straight up converting and executing plays they most certainly did.... what can u say *shrugs*  a game for the ages fcol

 

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edit: walkoff TD was a perfect description of what occurred in KC.......I'd only heard it referenced in baseball previously I like that.

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I won’t blame coaching for this loss since many decisions made got us to 13 seconds. After several days of sadness for the missed opportunity I think we should look at the fact we had the opportunity. With a QB like Josh and the management team continuing to find opportunities we will be in the mix every year for the foreseeable future. Andy Reid was seen as a loser in Philly after having sucess for more than 10 years. Manning and Colts finally won, Roethlesberger got his, so did Brees and Rodgers. I’ve been following Bills since the 60’s when we won our last championship. I think we are in position to be a great team for a long time.  The SB will come and it will feel great!

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8 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

The fact that we lost due to multiple choices by someone who is going to remain in charge makes it much harder to stomach. We could draft a speed WR or replace Edmunds or draft another pass rusher to give us hope if it were one of those issues. But Josh played a nearly perfect game and the leader going forward erased it with his incompetence. 

 

There’s no guarantee we will ever get back to the AFCCG. Ask a fan of a team that has won a Super Bowl(s) if a loss like this hurts any less. Ask a saints fan if the no PI call still bothers them.  We have even more right to be upset considering this would’ve been the first.

 

So lose me with the lecture less than a week since, in my opinion, the worst loss in Buffalo sports history(due to the fact it was multiple choices instead of a missed kick or “execution”) and get used to it because this isn’t going anyway anytime soon. That’s what happens when a coach screws up this bad on such a big stage. 
 

I'd love to get used to being one of the favourites to win the Superbowl season after season because of being a well run organisation from owners to GM to coaches. I think most of us do and that's why we're tired of all the doom and gloom topics and posts.
 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

I would say our coaches imploded.     If Andy Reed could of requested a defense in the final 13 seconds he couldnt of gotten a better one than the one we ran.

Your first sentence is what’s pissing me off about the entire incident. Don’t tell me it was “execution” that caused the loss. We are smarter than that!! I, personally, won’t have someone piss on me and tell me it’s raining. Tell us you were outsmarted and that you’ll do better next time. Owning your mistake goes a long way around here

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1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said:

NewEra, c'mon.  I get what you're saying but even in a gut-wrenching loss (and this was the gut-wrenchingnest), I enjoy coming to Two Bills Drive.  99% of the time you can tell by the title of the topic if you want to read it.  Read what interests you and ignore the rest.

Therein lies the problem.

 

Even avoiding threads that are (by title) not something of interest you will have to scroll through 4 or 5 pages to find something of interest. 

 

Not only do we have about 200 threads of the same 3 topics that all say the exact same thing, any topic that isn't about those 3 or 4 topics still gets overwhelmed by negativity and decomposes into being about the same topics as all the other posts.

 

Look, I get the need to vent. I get the idea that people have different thoughts and opinions. I absolutely get being upset after that loss. 

 

The trouble comes IMO, when you have a seemingly high number of people posting that have very little knowledge or understanding of what they are seeing or why (especially when it comes to penalties) that post with conviction of what they say is the only plausable correct line of thinking. 

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40 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The Bills couldn’t hold TWO leads inside the final 1:50 of the game,  and they allowed an easy walkoff TD drive in OT to cap it off.

 

Lets face it, KC was a little better in the end.  It wasn’t all that fluky…. like the stupid Music City play all those years ago. 

It doesn’t make it easier to accept the loss, but we didn’t implode,  the Chiefs just took it.  And their coaches/players in crunch time were smarter than our D side.

That's the point.  You can point to fluky with a hail mary or tipped pass (remember Diggs vs. NO?).  

 

Look at poor NO (at least they have their SB).  One year Diggs & the next the most blatant non-call PI followed by Brees showing his age & TB beating them and in a blink of an eye it's all over.

 

Fortunately Josh is much younger.

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