Is Singletary good enough?

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Singletary just put up another solid season with 4.6 YPC, 870 yards rushing, and 7 TDs. He had another 40 receptions but only 250 yards in receiving. 

Somehow it took 13 games to make him the feature back. Once that happened he looked really good down the stretch. A few more carries at the beginning of the year and he easily surpasses 1000 yards rushing.  Of course that is when Bates was inserted into the OL starting unit and the entire line started playing better.

 

I was a draft Najee Harris guy last year. 

 

Now I'm thinking, at least for 2022 I'm fine with Singletary being the feature back. I'm even fine with Moss and a cheap FA as the backups.  I just don't see RB as a top need now and they have at least 5 or 6 other spots that need or could be addressed before RB. 

 

What does the board think?

Singletary is borderline average just a JAG the Bills should be striving for more then that. Most great QBs weren’t able to get over the hump without a great running back . Peyton , Brady , Elway , Kelly , Favre all had pro bowl backs. A top 10 back would do wonders for this team and can easily be the difference in a big playoff game where a couple of inches can be the difference between a win and a loss. 

[0017]

No. 

[Momma Pecoraro]

Slow ride. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Singletary is borderline average just a JAG the Bills should be striving for more then that. Most great QBs weren’t able to get over the hump without a great running back . Peyton , Brady , Elway , Kelly , Favre all had pro bowl backs. A top 10 back would do wonders for this team and can easily be the difference in a big playoff game where a couple of inches can be the difference between a win and a loss. 

Career 4.7 YPC. Is that really a JAG? What would be an improvement? There were 9 guys that had a higher YPC this year but 3 of the were QBs. 

[John from Riverside]

I wish he was faster and if we could get a player that does what he does now and is faster I would like to get that player

[JoshAllin]

He's no Taylor, Chubb or possibly cook. But the guy is still better than most of RB's not named those guys. I know Mixon and Singletary are built differently but look at Mixon's stats this season  292 att, 1203 yrds, 13 td, 4.1 avg. I don't see how Singletary wouldn't perform better with the load he got the last 5 games this season

[Big Turk]

He's a running back. They are mostly irrelevant. He is plenty good.

[MJS]

Yes he is. But I would not be opposed to an upgrade.

[Norcalbillsfan]

Quality rbs are gonna fall really far in this draft. We could see great returns on a late round rb. But honestly I just want speed at rb. Look at brieda was able to do when he knew the plays or didn't fumble, he had some electric plays. It was wild to see a Bills rb blow past a LB. I'm sure I sound like a broken record at this point but not giving josh a speedy check down option or home run hitter in the screen game is wasting joshs talent.

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Is Singletary good enough?

 

 

Yes.

 

We don't need to spend higher-level resources on RB. An RB who they don't want to run an awful lot.

 

Wouldn't be surprised to see a low-level FA or a mid-rounder used for the future and for competition at #2, though.

[Freddie's Dead]

Yes.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Singletary is borderline average just a JAG the Bills should be striving for more then that. Most great QBs weren’t able to get over the hump without a great running back . Peyton , Brady , Elway , Kelly , Favre all had pro bowl backs. A top 10 back would do wonders for this team and can easily be the difference in a big playoff game where a couple of inches can be the difference between a win and a loss. 

 

 

4.7 YPC for his career. He is not average and certainly not borderline average. He's also not elite or even close. But he's genuinely good.

 

And that's nonsense that most great QBs "weren't able to get over the hump without a great running back."  The fact is, some did and some didn't. But the more the rules have changed to favor the passing game, the more SB winners have not needed a great running back.

 

Ronald Jones Jr./ Fournette

Damine Williams / LeSean McCoy

Sony Michel

LeGarrette Blount

LeGarrette Blount 

CJ Anderson / Ronnie Hillman

LeGarrette Blount/ Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley / Jonas Gray (with Gray as their leading rusher)

Marshawn Lynch

Ray Rice

Ahmad Bradshaw / Brandon Jacobs

Brandon Jackson / James Starks

Mike Bell / Pierre Thomas / Reggie Bush (390 yards)

 

Those are the significant RBs in the last 12 SB winners. Beyond Lynch and probably Rice before the incident, you've got a lot of decent to good RBs there. And yet Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton and the others managed to get over the hump.

 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2022 by Thurman#1

[purple haze]

9 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

Motor is a solid second string level back. But he is not a premier guy. Sure, if he gets opportunities he’s going to put up some solid stats. Problem is he isn’t a home run hitter. He simply doesn’t have the speed to break away (from even LBs) not the ability to make people miss. 
 

Simply said, Motor doesn’t scare opposing defenses. 
 

I have no doubt we can do better than Motor. Although, he’s great to have as a change of pace back IMO. 

He makes people miss a lot.   But I agree we can get a more physically imposing back to pair him with.  Moss is too inconsistent for my taste.  Pollard from Dallas would be a great FA pick up, if he wasn’t overly expensive.  He brings speed, runs with physicality and can catch.  I look at him as a weapon moreso than just a RB.

Edited January 29, 2022 by purple haze

[PetermansRedemption]

Yes

[Buddo]

I don't think I'd have a problem with Singletary as the main man, behind a decent O-Line.

 

As others have said, he's obviously not elite, and never will be, due to a lack of top end speed. But he ran an awful lot tougher at the end of the year.

 

However, he's shown he is pretty good, imho, now certainly above average, as he grew into the role, and his blocking etc. was considerably improved. I now have a decent level of trust in him when he's on the field, and that hasn't always been the case.

 

He was also providing much more as an outlet as the season went on, and that played a significant part in some games.

 

I do believe, however, if we are going to continue to feature him, his complement needs to be a bruiser. A guaranteed 3 yards and a cloud of dust type, that can take some of the pressure off of him, and, just as importantly, Josh.

 

I actually think that that is probably our best approach for the time being. Simply because it might be the least expensive, in terms of either a draft pick, or FA.

 

Without trying to find the combination of size and speed that is just about every teams ideal, an alternative would be to try and find a Kamara type guy, who is sort of half RB, half WR, as those guys are often the type who will give you extra YAC.

 

I'd still want to try and find a 'bruiser' as well though, as we are far too reliant on trickery, scheme, or Allen on 3rd and short situations.

[VaMilBill]

2 hours ago, purple haze said:

He makes people miss a lot.   But I agree we can get a more physically imposing back to pair him with.  Moss is too inconsistent for my taste.  Pollard from Dallas would be a great FA pick up, if he wasn’t overly expensive.  He brings speed, runs with physicality and can catch.  I look at him as a weapon moreso than just a RB.

Shady made people miss a lot. Devin is very average in that department 

[JMF2006]

I really don't think it took 13 games they knew it and he is smallish and takes a lot of punishment.

 

The Bills are a playoff team and they know it

 

Last year(2020) they drained the gas tank battling for the #1 seed with their foot to the floor board.

 

This year was about work load management and being as healthy as possible for a playoff run

 

JMHO

[bobobonators]

10 hours ago, Augie said:

 

The OLine makes everyone better. 

 

I’d like more speed on both sides of the ball, but you win the game in the trenches. Both sides of the ball. I’m fine with Motor, and if we can add speed that is all the better. 

Agreed

[JaCrispy]

No...

[mjd1001]

Yes, he most certainly is 'good enough'.  That does'nt mean he is a top 5 back in the league. It also doesn't mean that it isn't possible to find someone better, but for this offense and team, he is more than good enough.

 

-The was the main feature back for the most part the last few games, and with him as the feature back this offense put on close to a historical 2 game playoff performance.

 

-The guy is averaging over 4.7 yard per carry for his career, and that is behind what is an 'average at best' run blocking line....I don't think many will say this OL is full of road-grating bulldozers opening massive holes for him.

 

-Blocking he has gotten better, I am now pretty confident on biitz pickup he will at least identify and slow down a blitzing LB or DB.  Out of the backfield he isn't a downfield receiving threat, but you have a lot of other players for that, instead he has turned into a reliable outlet guy for josh that knows how to find that short 4-7 yard dump-off area to be open for him.  He is average-to-good at those things.

 

I am under no illusions he is a top 10 back in the NFL, but in this offense I do not want premium dollars spent on that, I'd rather have it spent on the OL.  But, is he 'good enough'?  To me he is more than good enough for the role that needs to be played by a rb.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Career 4.7 YPC. Is that really a JAG? What would be an improvement? There were 9 guys that had a higher YPC this year but 3 of the were QBs. 

How many of those running backs see light boxes as much as Singletary? 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

4.7 YPC for his career. He is not average and certainly not borderline average. He's also not elite or even close. But he's genuinely good.

 

And that's nonsense that most great QBs "weren't able to get over the hump without a great running back."  The fact is, some did and some didn't. But the more the rules have changed to favor the passing game, the more SB winners have not needed a great running back.

 

Ronald Jones Jr./ Fournette

Damine Williams / LeSean McCoy

Sony Michel

LeGarrette Blount

LeGarrette Blount 

CJ Anderson / Ronnie Hillman

LeGarrette Blount/ Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley / Jonas Gray (with Gray as their leading rusher)

Marshawn Lynch

Ray Rice

Ahmad Bradshaw / Brandon Jacobs

Brandon Jackson / James Starks

Mike Bell / Pierre Thomas / Reggie Bush (390 yards)

 

Those are the significant RBs in the last 12 SB winners. Beyond Lynch and probably Rice before the incident, you've got a lot of decent to good RBs there. And yet Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton and the others managed to get over the hump.

 

 

 

A lot of these players your mentioning have way more talent then Singletary.

[filthymcnasty08]

If there's a shot at Saquan, ya take it.

 

His stock is low.  Buy the dip.

 

 

[T master]

I believe he is i just hope the coaching staff sees it ! Moss on the other hand i think needs to be trade bait maybe he can go to NY with Dabol but i never did like or understand the pick him & Motor are the same size and no real outstanding differences .

 

He may be more of a north south type but he's not big enough IMHO for that role in the NFL the Bills need a bigger back to put in that role on this offense & Moss is not it I wish that Williams would have gotten a chance but now we will never know what he could have done here .

[PrimeTime101]

Ok... Here is my problem With Devin... he is too in the middle type of HB. Devin lacks the power to run people over 4th and 2. Lacks to speed to take it to the house on any given play... We need an Extreme...... Fast shifty guy that can pop it outside and run the distance or a big tough guy that will bulldoze over you for that extra yard.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Hes RB1 all day. But he needs to be complimented by a home run hitter and a bruiser. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

At the end of the day Singletary is a product of this offense and his stats are skewed from seeing more light boxes then 90% of the backs in the NFL. Like some said here he’s to small to run between the tackles and to slow to get outside on a consistent basis. He’s just not talented enough. 
 

When the weather changes in Buffalo the Bills need to adapt and yes part of this is having a capable Oline that can open holes consistently but other part is having a back that can make the defense pay when said hole is opened. Singletary is average at best and his stats are just as skewed as our defensive # 1 rating is. When we need him most he’s never any good . Against KC he had 10 carries for 26yds that’s not gonna cut it in a game of that magnitude where 1 play can make the difference between a win or a loss. 
 

The Bills need to get better at Running back and that doesn’t mean spending all there cap space to do it. Backs can be found all threw out the draft and in free agency. This off-season the free agent backs are looking very good .Players like Fournette, Penny, Sony, Melvin Gordon or D’Onta Foreman are available and none of these guys will break the bank to sign. All of these players would be a massive upgrade over Singletary . 

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

57 minutes ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

If there's a shot at Saquan, ya take it.

 

His stock is low.  Buy the dip.

 

 

Same with McCafree

[Albany,n.y.]

No, the Bills need to draft 2 RBs.  Definitely 1 early on & another mid round RB later.  Singletary is on the last year of his contract next year and unless he comes back on the cheap, he's gone after 2022.  There are no other NFL RBs on the roster, so almost a total revamp needs to be done ASAP. 

 

One of the main reasons the Bills lost 6 regular season games was because there wasn't much threat of RB production.  The only real threat was Josh.  That is not sustainable for winning a championship.  The Bills may have been within 13 seconds of advancing last week, but the seeds were planted earlier by the lack of a balanced attack that cost us home field advantage.   

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Ok... Here is my problem With Devin... he is too in the middle type of HB. Devin lacks the power to run people over 4th and 2. Lacks to speed to take it to the house on any given play... We need an Extreme...... Fast shifty guy that can pop it outside and run the distance or a big tough guy that will bulldoze over you for that extra yard.

Interesting take. I see your point. I'd probably favor speed but s big bruising back in Buffalo weather would be an asset. 

Bills have rarely had a big back. I  Obviously OJ was a rare combination of both size and speed. Antowain Smith was a bruiser. And Lynch for a couple season.

Edited January 29, 2022 by Ethan in Portland

[OldTimer1960]

16 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

Motor is a solid second string level back. But he is not a premier guy. Sure, if he gets opportunities he’s going to put up some solid stats. Problem is he isn’t a home run hitter. He simply doesn’t have the speed to break away (from even LBs) not the ability to make people miss. 
 

Simply said, Motor doesn’t scare opposing defenses. 
 

I have no doubt we can do better than Motor. Although, he’s great to have as a change of pace back IMO. 

At RB, it isn’t just pure speed that matters.  Vision, elusiveness, toughness power and ability to help in pass game (blocking or receiving) all matter.

 

is Singletary All Pro?  No, but if there is decent blocking, he is pretty good running the rock.  He isn’t as much of a receiving threat as we might ideally like.

 

Could they do better?  Maybe, but with JA now eating a ton of cap, I think you need to spend the early picks on other spots to get good, cheap labor at more important spots.

[DeltaDigital]

no. 

 

[Teddy KGB]

Yes

[Thrivefourfive]

Having guys fresh in the playoffs is the end game. Period. Singletary isn’t going to “carry” any load. If he does, he’s done, and the Bills would be leaning on other backs in the playoffs. Singletary should be one of the guys that helps the team get through 17 games and then be in the mix for a bigger load in the tournament. 

[Mat68]

5 hours ago, filthymcnasty08 said:

If there's a shot at Saquan, ya take it.

 

His stock is low.  Buy the dip.

 

 

But you pay him 20 mil this year?  His 5th year cap hit is larger than Allens.  He hasnt earned that kind of money.  Idk what kind of deal he would take.  If you trade for him you are also extending him.  

[Maine-iac]

I want to pay Saquan money to a running back like I want another hole in the head.  Time and time again Motor has shown if you give him carries he produces.  As much as I thought he was capable I might have questioned his ability on the goal line but guess what, with a little bit of creativity and again some carries he produced TD's in 6 straight games.  It's hard to look like a great running back on a team that doesn't want to run.  If the Bill's want to run the ball Singletary can do it.  That said I would love to see a change of pace bruiser (a guy who weighs more than 230) who has more running skill than just a full back for short yardage so it isn't always Allen's job to run in short yardage.

[Turbo44]

4 hours ago, Mat68 said:

But you pay him 20 mil this year?  His 5th year cap hit is larger than Allens.  He hasnt earned that kind of money.  Idk what kind of deal he would take.  If you trade for him you are also extending him.  

Nope we don’t want either in or mccafrey - why would be want the next OC to be tempted to have Josh pass less. Motor is fine

[PrimeTime101]

8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Interesting take. I see your point. I'd probably favor speed but s big bruising back in Buffalo weather would be an asset. 

Bills have rarely had a big back. I  Obviously OJ was a rare combination of both size and speed. Antowain Smith was a bruiser. And Lynch for a couple season.

yea, again... the dude has grown on me but I feel we need one end of the spectrum or the other.

[Nextmanup]

I think everyone in the entire football world that thinks a RB is important in the modern game can be found posting in this thread! 

 

😂

 

Hell, pick one up on waivers and call it good.

 

I don't want to see us burn ANYTHING in the way of assets on one!

 

 

[billsfan89]

Yes he is