Bills should pay close attention to whoever the Raiders and Broncos hire as new HC

[FilthyBeast]

Reason I say this is the obvious chess match at play here. Just like the Bills, these organizations understand they have to build a team that can compete with and beat the Chiefs in the coming years. And for both the stakes are infinitely higher since the Chiefs are a divisional opponent they will see twice a year. So it's not surprising that neither have pulled the trigger yet and doing their due diligence on the next leader of their team. Will it be fresh faces or retreads. Defensive or offensive minded.

 

Miami is also in a similar situation knowing they have to deal with Allen and the Bills twice a year and have lost 6 straight to them. And overall it's somewhat surprising the first domino has not fallen yet with so many jobs open right now.

[Patrick Duffy]

I'm going out on a limb and say whoever the Raiders and Broncos hire for HC is the absolute last thing on the Bills mind. Or not on their mind at all

Edited January 26, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[klos63]

4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Reason I say this is the obvious chess match at play here. Just like the Bills, these organizations understand they have to build a team that can compete with and beat the Chiefs in the coming years. And for both the stakes are infinitely higher since the Chiefs are a divisional opponent they will see twice a year. So it's not surprising that neither have pulled the trigger yet and doing their due diligence on the next leader of their team. Will it be fresh faces or retreads. Defensive or offensive minded.

 

Miami is also in a similar situation knowing they have to deal with Allen and the Bills twice a year and have lost 6 straight to them. And overall it's somewhat surprising the first domino has not fallen yet with so many jobs open right now.

Really hate the term 'retread', such a derogatory way to describe someone looking to get another chance. Are we retreads when we seek a 2nd job in the same industry or just someone with practical experience?

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I'm going out on a limb and say whoever the Raiders and Broncos hire for HC is the absolute last thing on the Bills mind. Or not on their mind at all

 

Obviously improving their own team is first priority, but I can guarantee they will have some degree of interest in what these teams do and what the philosophy behind it says.

 

The Chiefs are the gold standard for the entire league and it's simply an arms race league wide to keep up, but more so in the the AFC West and conference as a whole.

[Nextmanup]

20 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Defensive or offensive minded.

HC should be offensive minded in every situation.

 

Having a defense guy as the HC is flat out the wrong way to go.

 

Why? B/C if the offensive genius in the house is plucked away to a HC job, you have to start over--which might well be the Bills this season.

If the offensive guy is your HC, he'll never be plucked away.

 

And offense is WAY more important than defense in the modern NFL.

 

 

[eball]

Pay attention why exactly?  Odd post and thread.

[No_Matter_What]

3 minutes ago, eball said:

Pay attention why exactly?  Odd post and thread.

Odd? That's pretty normal by OPs standards.

[FilthyBeast]

8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

HC should be offensive minded in every situation.

 

Having a defense guy as the HC is flat out the wrong way to go.

 

Why? B/C if the offensive genius in the house is plucked away to a HC job, you have to start over--which might well be the Bills this season.

If the offensive guy is your HC, he'll never be plucked away.

 

And offense is WAY more important than defense in the modern NFL.

 

 

 

I've started to think that as well in recent years.

 

I used to believe in the 'defense wins championships' mantra but it's simply a different league now which is why the patriots evolved over time as well in that their first string of titles in the early 2000's were on the backs of the defense with Brady simply being great in clutch moments, to a team that was all about offense in Brady later on during the last string of titles in the mid/late 2010's. Even Brady's title with TB last year was an outlier considering it was in fact the defense that won that game against the Chiefs.

 

But I think with the rise of a true superpower like the Chiefs, first and foremost you need to think offensively which is why the Bills should also continue to build the oline and add Allen another weapon. Then compliment your defense with one key difference maker like the Chiefs have in Chris Jones who was still a problem for the Bills last week, albeit much less of one compared to last year.

[SoTier]

Somehow, I don't see any HC turning Carr, Bridgewater/Lock, or Tua into facsimiles of Mahomes or Allen.   Miami is the only one of the three teams likely to make significant improve the near future, and that's because they have a massive amount of cap space and a treasure trove of draft picks.

[Billzgobowlin]

Just like other teams watched us hire coaches to compete with Belichick?

[LabattBlue]

Beane and McD need to build a team with one goal in mind…best AFC record and the #1 seed.  Nothing more, nothing less. 

[JohnNord]

20 minutes ago, SoTier said:

Somehow, I don't see any HC turning Carr, Bridgewater/Lock, or Tua into facsimiles of Mahomes or Allen.   Miami is the only one of the three teams likely to make significant improve the near future, and that's because they have a massive amount of cap space and a treasure trove of draft picks.

How much do you think Miami can improve with Tua as QB, a brand new head coach, and likely a new defensive scheme? 

Just now, BTB said:

Beane and McD need to build a team with one goal in mind…best AFC record and the #1 seed.  Nothing more, nothing less. 

That’s why they tried this year…they kept the team together and some of their decisions didn’t work out.  I think we see a little bit of a shakeup this season.  Nothing crazy but a lot of the veterans that were kept from last season probably won’t be back 

[NewEra]

So WHY should we be paying close attention to this?  What will paying close attention do for the Bills?

[SoTier]

17 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

How much do you think Miami can improve with Tua as QB, a brand new head coach, and likely a new defensive scheme? 

 

 

I think that they have a significantly better chance to add more talent than either Las Vegas or Denver.  Whether they can actually do that is TBD. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by SoTier

[Starr Almighty]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

Reason I say this is the obvious chess match at play here. Just like the Bills, these organizations understand they have to build a team that can compete with and beat the Chiefs in the coming years. And for both the stakes are infinitely higher since the Chiefs are a divisional opponent they will see twice a year. So it's not surprising that neither have pulled the trigger yet and doing their due diligence on the next leader of their team. Will it be fresh faces or retreads. Defensive or offensive minded.

 

Miami is also in a similar situation knowing they have to deal with Allen and the Bills twice a year and have lost 6 straight to them. And overall it's somewhat surprising the first domino has not fallen yet with so many jobs open right now.

It's 7 in a row but who's counting. 14-4 in the last 18

Edited January 26, 2022 by Starr Almighty

[Mr. WEO]

Given the thin pickings, the Bills can look on the next bad move by these 2 perennial bad move teams with sheer delight.

[Beast]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

So WHY should we be paying close attention to this?  What will paying close attention do for the Bills?

 

 Not freaking thing is what. One of the more nonsensical topics I have read.

[billybrew1]

54 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I've started to think that as well in recent years.

 

I used to believe in the 'defense wins championships' mantra but it's simply a different league now which is why the patriots evolved over time as well in that their first string of titles in the early 2000's were on the backs of the defense with Brady simply being great in clutch moments, to a team that was all about offense in Brady later on during the last string of titles in the mid/late 2010's. Even Brady's title with TB last year was an outlier considering it was in fact the defense that won that game against the Chiefs.

 

But I think with the rise of a true superpower like the Chiefs, first and foremost you need to think offensively which is why the Bills should also continue to build the oline and add Allen another weapon. Then compliment your defense with one key difference maker like the Chiefs have in Chris Jones who was still a problem for the Bills last week, albeit much less of one compared to last year.

Defenses still win Super Bowls. The Bucs defense rag-dolled the chefs O last year and ZkC's defense won the Super Bowl for KC the year before. I don't know why fans try to peddle this BS all the time. Go back to all the Super Bowl winners and you'll find a very good defense. The truth of the matter is you need balance. Balance is what wins Super Bowls. That's why the Bills lost to the chefs, not a good enough defense that completely choked in executing. The Bills D leaders are two safeties which is fine but we need more leaders. We need players in the front seven. Everybody in the front seven (but maybe Ed Oliver) choked in that game vs. the chefs. Oliver made a couple plays but we need more than one guy or perhaps someone better than Oliver.

[billsfan5121]

I’ll be honest, at this point I feel like we will have to play the chiefs twice a year……which is a great place to be

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, billsfan5121 said:

I’ll be honest, at this point I feel like we will have to play the chiefs twice a year……which is a great place to be

Yeah, they may as well be a division rival at this point. I do have a strong hatred for them as if they were anyways....

[entropyrules]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

Really hate the term 'retread', such a derogatory way to describe someone looking to get another chance. Are we retreads when we seek a 2nd job in the same industry or just someone with practical experience?

I am a retread five times over...at least

[billybrew1]

Maybe?   Maybe?  Maybe McBeane has seen enough of our approach and now knows that you need impact players on the defense to combat players like Josh Allen and Mahomes? 
Maybe there will be someone out there that can help us in this regard and that someone really wants a Super Bowl?

Maybe McBeane drops its mantra of staying competitive and adopts a Super Bowl or bust ideology?

That could be what has to happen for the Bills to take the next step. Teams with much less QBs have gone peddle to the metal and it is time we joined them.

I think we need to buy a pass rusher.

I think we need to change our defensive philosophy somewhat. (Even though it was more poor execution than playing style that ruined the Bills chances. I think a better, nastier pass rush is needed.

I think our #1 pick pick should also be a pass rusher if one is there that is worth it. (We need to go BPA somewhat at positions, DE, DT, WR, CB and TE.) We need to come away with a blue chipper most of all. That is what we lack; blue chippers. Moreso on defense though.....

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

HC should be offensive minded in every situation.

 

Having a defense guy as the HC is flat out the wrong way to go.

 

Why? B/C if the offensive genius in the house is plucked away to a HC job, you have to start over--which might well be the Bills this season.

If the offensive guy is your HC, he'll never be plucked away.

 

And offense is WAY more important than defense in the modern NFL.

You hire the right coach regardless of what side of the ball they coach on. Bill Belichick is one of the greatest coaches ever and came from defense. John Harbaugh is a great coach and came from special teams.

 

And tons of coaches get hired form the offensive side and flame out. It's not about what side of the ball you come from.

[WhoTom]

I understand the logic, but the Broncos and the Raiders have been pretty inept lately. I'm not convinced that they'd hire the best person for the job, so who they hire is irrelevant.

 

Emulate people because they know what they're doing, not because they're in the same division as our conference rivals.

 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

2 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I'm going out on a limb and say whoever the Raiders and Broncos hire for HC is the absolute last thing on the Bills mind. Or not on their mind at all

 

As long as Carr is the QB....they have nothing to be concerned about...

[Patrick Duffy]

Bills should pay close attention to whoever Raiders hire as new GM, and who Broncos hire as new ST coach to see how to compete against KC. Also should pay close attention to each persons diet and how their meals are prepared leading up to when they play against KC 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[Process]

I cannot think of any information that would be more useless or irrelevant to the Bills this off-season.

 

Another great post, filthy beast.

[NewEra]

Now that I think of it, if Game of Thrones didn’t have a midget in a starring role, I may not have enjoyed it as much.  Sa da tay 

[4merper4mer]

On 1/26/2022 at 5:26 PM, FilthyBeast said:

Reason I say this is the obvious chess match at play here. Just like the Bills, these organizations understand they have to build a team that can compete with and beat the Chiefs in the coming years. And for both the stakes are infinitely higher since the Chiefs are a divisional opponent they will see twice a year. So it's not surprising that neither have pulled the trigger yet and doing their due diligence on the next leader of their team. Will it be fresh faces or retreads. Defensive or offensive minded.

 

Miami is also in a similar situation knowing they have to deal with Allen and the Bills twice a year and have lost 6 straight to them. And overall it's somewhat surprising the first domino has not fallen yet with so many jobs open right now.

Any updates on this?

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

Any updates on this?

Yes!
 

The Broncos hired Nate Hackett who was a failed offensive coordinator here. They also traded for Russell Wilson who looks like a shell of himself and his teammates can’t stand him. They were eliminated from the playoffs like 2-3 weeks ago and sit at 4-11 after being blown out by the Rams yesterday. 
 

The Raiders hired Josh McDaniels who has been miserable anywhere outside of New England. That has held true in Las Vegas! They traded for superstar WR Davante Adams to compliment Renfrow, Waller and Jacobs as weapons for Carr. They sit at 6-9 after blowing a ridiculous about of games and getting a gift from the Pats 2 weeks ago. They’re still “in the hunt” but only in name. 
 

I would like to point out to FilthyTroll that McBeane are really good at their jobs, and while they should learn from other teams as much as they can, EVERY team is looking at them as the blueprint. 
 

Y'all want to act like what we have here sucks and then you look at these “stacked teams” like Miami, Denver, Las Vegas, Los Angeles and Cleveland that can’t get it to translate to the field. 

[RobbRiddick]

On 1/26/2022 at 10:26 PM, FilthyBeast said:

 

 

Miami is also in a similar situation knowing they have to deal with Allen and the Bills twice a year 

couldn't resist referencing your team right at the end there, huh

[buffaloboyinATL]

On 1/26/2022 at 4:33 PM, klos63 said:

Really hate the term 'retread', such a derogatory way to describe someone looking to get another chance. Are we retreads when we seek a 2nd job in the same industry or just someone with practical experience?

Sorry coach Ryan. He meant slightly used.

[Beck Water]

On 1/26/2022 at 4:50 PM, eball said:

Pay attention why exactly?  Odd post and thread.

 

10 month old LAMP by a Miami fan troll that received CPR by receipt-seekers

Edited December 26, 2022 by Beck Water

[NewEra]

Yet another amazing take 

[transient]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

LAMP by a Miami fan troll.  Deflection from Tua's Three Picks

4mer cashing in receipts. The original post/thread is nearly a year old. 

[Beck Water]

Just now, transient said:

4mer cashing in receipts. The original post/thread is nearly a year old. 

 

I saw that and edited

[Big Blitz]

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 1/26/2022 at 6:45 PM, SoTier said:

 

I think that they have a significantly better chance to add more talent than either Las Vegas or Denver.  Whether they can actually do that is TBD. 

Their cap situation is atrocious, 30 mill over 32 under contract. Good luck to their gm with limited top picks 

Edited December 26, 2022 by Pine Barrens Mafia

[Warcodered]

Is this some sort of cry for help because your real team, the porpoises, are in free fall trying to avoid the playoffs?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

50 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Yes!
 

The Broncos hired Nate Hackett who was a failed offensive coordinator here. They also traded for Russell Wilson who looks like a shell of himself and his teammates can’t stand him. They were eliminated from the playoffs like 2-3 weeks ago and sit at 4-11 after being blown out by the Rams yesterday. 
 

The Raiders hired Josh McDaniels who has been miserable anywhere outside of New England. That has held true in Las Vegas! They traded for superstar WR Davante Adams to compliment Renfrow, Waller and Jacobs as weapons for Carr. They sit at 6-9 after blowing a ridiculous about of games and getting a gift from the Pats 2 weeks ago. They’re still “in the hunt” but only in name. 
 

I would like to point out to FilthyTroll that McBeane are really good at their jobs, and while they should learn from other teams as much as they can, EVERY team is looking at them as the blueprint. 
 

Y'all want to act like what we have here sucks and then you look at these “stacked teams” like Miami, Denver, Las Vegas, Los Angeles and Cleveland that can’t get it to translate to the field. 

Nobody says Beane and McD suck. Literally no one.

But don't act as if they are not infallible. They make mistakes just like every other HC and GM.