Hebert19 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Listening to the Pats players and coaches this week tells me their biggest concern is Josh on the move. So much so that Dugger said you can't take your eyes off him. I think they will he coached up to keep eyes in backfield a lot...especially safties and linebackers. I think it will set up the pump fake and double moves a lot. Just my 2 cents. Any other thoughts on how to attack this D? My other one is stretch them horizontally. Their D is good but they aren't the fastest most athletic D so making them play sideline to sideline will also open up this O. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Just now, Hebert19 said: Listening to the Pats players and coaches this week tells me their biggest concern is Josh on the move. So much so that Dugger said you can't take your eyes off him. I think they will he coached up to keep eyes in backfield a lot...especially safties and linebackers. I think it will set up the pump fake and double moves a lot. Just my 2 cents. Any other thoughts on how to attack this D? My other one is stretch them horizontally. Their D is good but they aren't the fastest most athletic D so making them play sideline to sideline will also open up this O. Just to be an ass, I don't think there's a coordinator alive who doesn't try to stretch the defense horizontally and vertically lol Those are the only two ways to stretch a defense hahahah You don't stretch them out by running backwards 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 Well agree but we don't do it well I'm run game at all other that Josh sweeps. Our wr screen game blows... So what other options are there. Throwing ropes to outside in cold will be tough as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Just win baby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Well agree but we don't do it well I'm run game at all other that Josh sweeps. Our wr screen game blows... So what other options are there. Throwing ropes to outside in cold will be tough as well. For 4 years with Josh we've been great at stretching a defense horizontally and vertically in the passing game Beasley and McKenzie have been the horizontal stretchers.. Mackenzie runs the crossers and flat routes... Beasley runs the option routes which gives him the seam or the inside outside Knox is a seam stretcher and a corner/flag master.. he will push the defense horizontally and vertically on one play Where we don't do it great in the running game.. but in big games were always due for a couple of quarterback sweeps by Josh which will keep the defense honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Come out in short sleeve shirts and throw bombs each play on the first series. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Heavy TE sets…. Play Action double move!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Just to be an ass, I don't think there's a coordinator alive who doesn't try to stretch the defense horizontally and vertically lol Those are the only two ways to stretch a defense hahahah You don't stretch them out by running backwards 🤣 shhhh. dont tell zach wilson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: For 4 years with Josh we've been great at stretching a defense horizontally and vertically in the passing game Beasley and McKenzie have been the horizontal stretchers.. Mackenzie runs the crossers and flat routes... Beasley runs the option routes which gives him the seam or the inside outside Knox is a seam stretcher and a corner/flag master.. he will push the defense horizontally and vertically on one play Where we don't do it great in the running game.. but in big games were always due for a couple of quarterback sweeps by Josh which will keep the defense honest Ya. This is what I'm thinking. Also a few quick passes when defense is off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Run backwards. This will completely confuse the defenders and they will become so flustered and disoriented, they will stop defending ... THEN run the right direction ... all the way to the endzone. Should work every time!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: shhhh. dont tell zach wilson I just spit out my tea 🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Throw a few quick outs to Diggs and Sanders and set up the double move to them later. One place I miss John Brown is the WR screen plays. He had that burst. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Im pretty sure he peruses the boards for pro level strategies. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 46 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Just to be an ass, I don't think there's a coordinator alive who doesn't try to stretch the defense horizontally and vertically lol Those are the only two ways to stretch a defense hahahah You don't stretch them out by running backwards 🤣 The Bills are gonna throw everyone for a loop and stretch them diagonally. 5D chess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I think we should play the game like I played Tecmo Bowl. I would kneel the ball at the 1 on a kickoff. I would throw a deep ball to Reed for a 99 yard TD or have him run the hook, break the tackle and go 99 yards constantly zig zagging. When I wanted Thurman to get his yards, I would get him at least one 99 yard rushing TD. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Especially with Jalen Mills, their starting CB likely to be out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: Well agree but we don't do it well I'm run game at all other that Josh sweeps. Our wr screen game blows... So what other options are there. Throwing ropes to outside in cold will be tough as well. Didn't we have a solid screen pass to Knox as one of the first plays against the Jets? *rummage* *rummage* Yes, first play. Went for 17 yds. 18 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said: Throw a few quick outs to Diggs and Sanders and set up the double move to them later. One place I miss John Brown is the WR screen plays. He had that burst. In theory, McKenzie should have same but teams are watching too much for him in the backfield whenever he's in the game, I think, because we don't use him downfield as much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: Listening to the Pats players and coaches this week tells me their biggest concern is Josh on the move. So much so that Dugger said you can't take your eyes off him. I think they will he coached up to keep eyes in backfield a lot...especially safties and linebackers. I think it will set up the pump fake and double moves a lot. Just my 2 cents. Any other thoughts on how to attack this D? My other one is stretch them horizontally. Their D is good but they aren't the fastest most athletic D so making them play sideline to sideline will also open up this O. No, it was emphasized after Tia burned them AGAIN running the ball. If anything they will have a spy on Allen, it will be the job of the line to maintain discipline in their gaps. 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Especially with Jalen Mills, their starting CB likely to be out That made me sick that reality.. he is our starting CB.. god losing our #2 CB early in the year stunk.. (Jonathan Jones) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Daboll, if you are listening ... ... WTF are you doing on a message board? Get your ass back in the film room and prepare for a playoff game! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Just to be an ass, I don't think there's a coordinator alive who doesn't try to stretch the defense horizontally and vertically lol Those are the only two ways to stretch a defense hahahah You don't stretch them out by running backwards 🤣 So that covers the X and Y coordinate. What about the Z? What if the defense gets TALLER? Hmmm? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: So that covers the X and Y coordinate. What about the Z? What if the defense gets TALLER? Hmmm? Idk but I always told Coach.. when we're on the goal line.. why don't we get a little person and put them in the backfield Snap him the ball and have your running back literally pick them up and throw them over the goal line... That sounds like a Z coordinate to me 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: Listening to the Pats players and coaches this week tells me their biggest concern is Josh on the move. So much so that Dugger said you can't take your eyes off him. I think they will he coached up to keep eyes in backfield a lot...especially safties and linebackers. I think it will set up the pump fake and double moves a lot. Just my 2 cents. Any other thoughts on how to attack this D? My other one is stretch them horizontally. Their D is good but they aren't the fastest most athletic D so making them play sideline to sideline will also open up this O. The internets are silent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Idk but I always told Coach.. when we're on the goal line.. why don't we get a little person and put them in the backfield Snap him the ball and have your running back literally pick them up and throw them over the goal line... That sounds like a Z coordinate to me 🤣 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: Listening to the Pats players and coaches this week tells me their biggest concern is Josh on the move. So much so that Dugger said you can't take your eyes off him. I think they will he coached up to keep eyes in backfield a lot...especially safties and linebackers. I think it will set up the pump fake and double moves a lot. Just my 2 cents. Any other thoughts on how to attack this D? My other one is stretch them horizontally. Their D is good but they aren't the fastest most athletic D so making them play sideline to sideline will also open up this O. I expect a route, maybe two, per game where Josh and his WR aren't on the same page. I hope they fix whatever the bad reads were by both in last weekends games. Diggs needs to finish his routes, hard, and let the officials call their games. The only other suggestion from me, and this doesn't need to be said, because I know our WRs know this better than anyone - when Josh is scrambling, find the open space. All of you, find the open spot on the field. Josh will find you. Oh, and one more via edit for giggles. Diggs says you can't catch Josh in your chest, because it hurts, especially when it's cold. You gotta use your hands Edited January 13, 2022 by Pokebball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Just to be an ass, I don't think there's a coordinator alive who doesn't try to stretch the defense horizontally and vertically lol Those are the only two ways to stretch a defense hahahah 29 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So that covers the X and Y coordinate. What about the Z? What if the defense gets TALLER? Hmmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Just to be an ass, I don't think there's a coordinator alive who doesn't try to stretch the defense horizontally and vertically lol Those are the only two ways to stretch a defense hahahah You don't stretch them out by running backwards 🤣 3 hours ago, The Wiz said: The Bills are gonna throw everyone for a loop and stretch them diagonally. 5D chess. This was going to be my smart-ass remark. You beat me to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JROC INTEL Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I mean, I think it’s pretty clear that if we can get a sizable lead early on, and force them to have to pass the ball, they are in trouble.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Listening to the Pats players and coaches this week tells me their biggest concern is Josh on the move. So much so that Dugger said you can't take your eyes off him. I think they will he coached up to keep eyes in backfield a lot...especially safties and linebackers. I think it will set up the pump fake and double moves a lot. Just my 2 cents. What on Earth have you seen this season to make you think that this OLine can protect longer developing plays with any reliability whatsoever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: If anything they will have a spy on Allen, it will be the job of the line to maintain discipline in their gaps. didn't they spy him the entire second game? Also have you heard any word from your area about Wynn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Listening to the Pats players and coaches this week tells me their biggest concern is Josh on the move. So much so that Dugger said you can't take your eyes off him. I think they will he coached up to keep eyes in backfield a lot...especially safties and linebackers. I think it will set up the pump fake and double moves a lot. Just my 2 cents. Any other thoughts on how to attack this D? My other one is stretch them horizontally. Their D is good but they aren't the fastest most athletic D so making them play sideline to sideline will also open up this O. Josh throws a lousy deep ball and Bills don’t have a deep ball wr… trenches and intermediate pass game. should be a win if they don’t get delusions of grandeur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Belicheat was very clear after game #2. He said he regretted not putting extra stress on Allen. I take him at his word, I might expect more blitz or stunts. May or may not be a extra man pressures but may not be the old lackadaisical-sit-back-spy, this seems less likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, Since1981 said: Belicheat was very clear after game #2. He said he regretted not putting extra stress on Allen. I take him at his word, I might expect more blitz or stunts. May or may not be a extra man pressures but may not be the old lackadaisical-sit-back-spy, this seems less likely. I’m sure you know, the blitz opens up the opportunity to hit the hot receiver. Hopefully the Bills took Belichek’s comments to heart & are prepared. Not sure how JA is rated on responding to being blitzed this year, but if I remember correctly in 2020, he was very good against the blitz. One of my favorite clips of the early 90’s Bills is Marv Levy on the sideline yelling……..”Thank you for the blitz!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 They’ve do seem overly obsessed with Josh’s running ability it’s like USC talking about Vince Young back in the day….all I can say is the receiving corps better catch some damn balls down the field cause they will be open a time or two with all the spying going on in the backfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 If he doesn't change his game plan to reflect this message board thread, then we are in trouble come Saturday night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 14 hours ago, WhoTom said: Daboll, if you are listening ... ... WTF are you doing on a message board? Get your ass back in the film room and prepare for a playoff game! He ain't reading this fodder as he is far too busy setting up his resume for the Dolphins, Bears and others. Not gonna be surprised if the offensive game plan and play calls look bad again this season for the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 14 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: So that covers the X and Y coordinate. What about the Z? What if the defense gets TALLER? Hmmm? Hmm. Would it be within the rules for Knox to carry Diggs on his shoulders?? Maybe add Beasely for triple decker. Go Bills!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 No numbers, but it feels like the pump fakes have not been there as much this year, or not as successful. Another thing and this I am sure of, last year the Bills were getting a "free play" a game the second half of the season. Where Josh would use his voice, a guy would jump and then Morse would snap it. They have tried a lot but I dont think we have had one like that where you get a free shot. There have been a couple of free plays but not where they intended to get it and took the shot like they were doing successfully last year. In fact there have been a couple of instances where Josh thought he had it but did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) Josh under center. Play action. Dink and dunk. 5 yards at a time. Brady will go to the HOF as a result of that strategy in big games. The ball is going to be a block of ice. Run it a lot and keep the passing game simple. Edited January 15, 2022 by Slack_in_MA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Depends on the defense. Does Bill pressure or play zone. I expect zone. Josh running kills any defense. Vs Man its a 30 yard pass or run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 2:08 PM, Hebert19 said: Listening to the Pats players and coaches this week tells me their biggest concern is Josh on the move. So much so that Dugger said you can't take your eyes off him. I think they will he coached up to keep eyes in backfield a lot...especially safties and linebackers. I think it will set up the pump fake and double moves a lot. Just my 2 cents. Any other thoughts on how to attack this D? My other one is stretch them horizontally. Their D is good but they aren't the fastest most athletic D so making them play sideline to sideline will also open up this O. Will just leave this here. Wasn't a double move but the pump fake because they were peaking into backfield to make sure Josh doesn't run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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