Bangarang Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Heard Schoen is the only candidate so far to get a second interview. Sounds like they are bringing him in to meet in person this time. Seems like he’s the leading candidate so far. I wonder if that has any implications on a potential Daboll landing spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Heard Schoen is the only candidate so far to get a second interview. Sounds like they are bringing him in to meet in person this time. Seems like he’s the leading candidate so far. I wonder if that has any implications on a potential Daboll landing spot. Good for Schoen! We have DE depth in front office. But always hate to lose talent. Hell of a better spot for Bills if BD goes to Giants and not Phins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Heard Schoen is the only candidate so far to get a second interview. Sounds like they are bringing him in to meet in person this time. Seems like he’s the leading candidate so far. I wonder if that has any implications on a potential Daboll landing spot. The sign of a good franchise is having players and staff that other teams want. The sign of a GREAT franchise is having guys right behind them, or on a list, who barely miss a beat. Part of their job is having guys to fill in. I’ll bet they hit more than miss on the replacements. I’m a believer. Not a blind believer, but a believer. . Edited January 19, 2022 by Augie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Heard Schoen is the only candidate so far to get a second interview. Sounds like they are bringing him in to meet in person this time. Seems like he’s the leading candidate so far. I wonder if that has any implications on a potential Daboll landing spot. The story out is that if he gets the job, he wants Daboll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 12 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I was told a week ago that the two real cnadidates for that job were Joe Schoen and Horiz from Baltimore. Would be stunned if the hire isn't one of those two. If they were so strong wouldn’t they have made the hire by now ? Why wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I believe I saw that Ryan Poles, who is from WNY and works for KC also has a second interview with the NYG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Looks like the Giants have narrowed it down to 3. (16) Tom Pelissero on Twitter: "The #Giants are scheduled to conduct a second interview with #49ers assistant general manager Adam Peters for their GM job Thursday, per source. Peters is the third known finalist in New York, joining Buffalo’s Joe Schoen and Kansas City’s Ryan Poles." / Twitter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Per today's Daily News the Giants have completed their 2nd round of interviews with the 3 final candidates. They are speculating that a decision could come as early as today. We might learn the fate of our assistant GM Joe Schoen today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 When I first read this my first thought was that is surprising and then thought who will cohost the afternoon program on WGR with him gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) On 1/18/2022 at 11:57 PM, klos63 said: The story out is that if he gets the job, he wants Daboll. I would be stunned if they weren’t a package deal. Daboll has certainly earned a good shot as a HC. The Giants are one of the more desirable openings too. Ownership has proven to be good at times despite recent struggles. Jobs like Jax and Houston are perfect for coaches just looking to pick up a huge paycheck so I don’t see him going to one of those. A quality GM and HC combo can win with the Giants if they have time to build their roster and can find a QB. Edited January 21, 2022 by BarleyNY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: I would be stunned if they weren’t a package deal. Daboll has certainly earned a good shot as a HC. The Giants are one of the more desirable openings too. Ownership has proven to be good at times despite recent struggles. Jobs like Jax and Houston are perfect for coaches looking to pick up a huge paycheck. A quality GM and HC combo can win with the Giants if they have time. They will definitely need time. The Giants are a bigger **** show than the Jets. What to do with Jones? I watch him play and I don't necessarily think he is bad but at the same I don't think he can be "the guy" like Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert etc etc etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Greg S said: They will definitely need time. The Giants are a bigger **** show than the Jets. What to do with Jones? I watch him play and I don't necessarily think he is bad but at the same I don't think he can be "the guy" like Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert etc etc etc. Jones is similar to Drew Lock. They can be exciting at times and then dumb plays. They are inconsistent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) On 1/18/2022 at 11:57 PM, klos63 said: The story out is that if he gets the job, he wants Daboll. Pretty sweet package for the Giants! I hope this happens, as we are almost certainly losing both, going to the NFC team that beat the Pats twice wouldn't be the worst thing. Also, I would hate pulling against Dabol for the next 3 to 4 years until Josh gets him fired in Miami. Edited January 21, 2022 by foreboding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, foreboding said: Pretty sweet package for the Giants! I hope this happens, as we are almost certainly losing both, going to the NFC team that beat the Pats twice wouldn't be the worst thing. Also, I would hate pulling against Dabol for the next 3 to 4 years until Josh gets him fired in Miami. I do agree that I don't want Daboll in Miami. I'd hate to hate him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, Greg S said: They will definitely need time. The Giants are a bigger **** show than the Jets. What to do with Jones? I watch him play and I don't necessarily think he is bad but at the same I don't think he can be "the guy" like Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert etc etc etc. Yup. It’s going to take time for sure. The Giants are a mess right now. It’s going to require a slash and burn, then total rebuild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BontitaBills Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Would the Bills receive a comp pick for losing Schoen to the Giants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, BontitaBills said: Would the Bills receive a comp pick for losing Schoen to the Giants? No, pats would. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 28 minutes ago, ganesh said: Jones is similar to Drew Lock. They can be exciting at times and then dumb plays. They are inconsistent. I think he is better than Lock. Jones has a huge turnover problem, but he's an excellent athlete. I could see him being a good starter, but never elite, provided he stops turning the ball over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, BontitaBills said: Would the Bills receive a comp pick for losing Schoen to the Giants? To my knowledge, no. It’s only for minorities. I don’t believe Schoen is considered a minority, but I don’t want to assume either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 While I really hope that Daboll and Schoen don't leave they certainly have earned it and going to an NFC opponent is far preferable over AFC. I would be very curious to see if they go to the Giants as a GM-Coach pair how much they try to mimic what Beane and McD have done. In many respects they would be entering a similar situation to the Bills in 2017: -Cap is a mess -Some talent exists but no one really knows to what extent -Culture is non-existent -General direction of the franchise is rudderless -Starting QB can do some things but has warts at the same time I would be curious on how this could play out. Beane is a disciple of cap mgmt and maximizing your assets from cap space to draft picks. Would Schoen be willing to eat cap the same way? McD was big about building a culture of competition and earning your spot. Daboll has proven to be good most of the time with the X's and O's, would he focus on culture in the way McD did. Personally I think the smartest thing McD/Beane from the outset was just taking a year to evaluate what they had while building competition along the way. 2018 was the sacrificial lamb cap wise and QB development wise. The Giants could do similar as their talent in certain places isn't awful and I could truthfully see Daboll making the offense into a competent unit. What are your thoughts on this and if the Bills plan would be copied to any degree if at all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 If a team were to hire those two in tandem, I think that the ownership expectations would be for them to follow the blueprint laid out by McDermott and Beane. The league is on notice. The Bills, despite having the greatest Fanbase in sports, have still long been known as small-market and unattractive to free agents and players in general. The way those two have turned that narrative around is what is impressing people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) It's been done over and over again. It takes many right decisions, obviously QB being the most important. Luck also plays a big role. This wouldn't be the 1st time. The Bills are an interesting study though because of how they did it. I don't think anyone will ever copy it. Hire the coach and then the GM after the draft. It might have happened before but I can’t think of a situation like that. Edited January 21, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDude Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I think the Giants will be announcing their GM decision today, and I think it will be Schoen, from what I hear. If not, then Peters. I am wondering if they would bring in Trubisky, if Daboll is brought along too as HC, but that would be speculation for the latter two mentioned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Per Ian O' Connor (NY Post beat writer, covers the Giants ) its a two man race. (16) Ian O'Connor on Twitter: "As expected, word is Adam Peters was great yesterday with the Giants. I believe he made it a two-man race with Joe Schoen. Everyone sees the younger Ryan Poles as a big star in the making. Giants will make decision today. I'd put 20 bucks on Schoen but Peters is right there." / Twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 But but but Beane sucks. He can't draft well. He overvalues his players and is horrible in FA. I heard it here. Many many many many many many times. I mean TBD posters can't be wrong. Can they???? LOL GO BILLS!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 First thing I would do with the Giants, regardless of who is hired, is take a deep dive into their team training and medical areas. Every week, the Gints seem to have some key piece that's out of action, and they never seem to return in a timely manner. "The Giants led the league with players on injured reserve with 23. They are also among the worst in starts missed due to injury with 68." “The string of injuries, especially on offense to players at the skill positions, has been silly,” writes ESPN Giants beat reporter Jordan Raanan. 12/8/21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Either way Giants fans will hate it. They hate everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Like I said if Joshua Patrick Allen isn’t walking through that door nothing really is going to change. The Mara family are going to have to be on board with a total rebuild as Daniel Jones just isn’t the guy Daboll and Schoen are leaving. I’d full expect Kenny Pickett to be a Giant if this does happen 16 minutes ago, Kwai San said: But but but Beane sucks. He can't draft well. He overvalues his players and is horrible in FA. I heard it here. Many many many many many many times. I mean TBD posters can't be wrong. Can they???? LOL GO BILLS!!!! He’s hit on some free agents and middle round picks but other then Allen the picks he’s made the last few years in top 3 rounds aren’t exactly setting the world on fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 36 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: If a team were to hire those two in tandem, I think that the ownership expectations would be for them to follow the blueprint laid out by McDermott and Beane. The league is on notice. The Bills, despite having the greatest Fanbase in sports, have still long been known as small-market and unattractive to free agents and players in general. The way those two have turned that narrative around is what is impressing people. Question to ask: Besides Beasley, which FA have we been able to attract here? I think Buffalo is still not a preferred destination for FA for multiple reasons - Weather, Taxes, and not a big city. Star and Addison came over due to Carolina connections and also Bills were the only team to overpay for their services. Butler and Haack are average FA acquisitions. Sanders is in his last legs and is the only guy who followed the benefit of playing with a star QB. Rest of our team is home grown talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills1111 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, BillsDude said: I think the Giants will be announcing their GM decision today, and I think it will be Schoen, from what I hear. If not, then Peters. I am wondering if they would bring in Trubisky, if Daboll is brought along too as HC, but that would be speculation for the latter two mentioned. I was thinking the same thing. Makes sense for everyone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, ganesh said: Question to ask: Besides Beasley, which FA have we been able to attract here? I think Buffalo is still not a preferred destination for FA for multiple reasons - Weather, Taxes, and not a big city. It is not just FA but trade also. Most players are fine with Buffalo McCoy came, Diggs approved the trade, Hyde was a great signing. You do have a few which it is a no go but that is true for virtually every city as some players really have no desire for the big lights of NYC either. With Buffalo winning it makes it a much better destination. I would agree prior to 2017 it was not as easy a sell as the team had limited success and the area takes a little to learn and love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 🎶 Daboll Schoen, 🎵darling 🎶 🎵Daboll Schoen...🎶 * (I refuse to post a recent picture of Mr. Newton. He's had more rework done than Highmark Stadium.) Edited January 21, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, corta765 said: It is not just FA but trade also. Most players are fine with Buffalo McCoy came, Diggs approved the trade, Hyde was a great signing. You do have a few which it is a no go but that is true for virtually every city as some players really have no desire for the big lights of NYC either. With Buffalo winning it makes it a much better destination. I would agree prior to 2017 it was not as easy a sell as the team had limited success and the area takes a little to learn and love. Winning cures all. Four playoff appearances in 5 years. B2B AFCE champs. One of the best QB's in the game on one of the best teams in the game. Plus these athletes are multi-millionaires so once the season is over they can go back to their other homes in Florida, California, Vegas etc etc etc if they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taglientep Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Happy for him but sad to see him go. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigdaddyinOrlando Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Schefter announcing Schoen has been selected by the Giants! Good for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (16) Adam Schefter on Twitter: "Giants are planning to hire Bills’ asst GM Joe Schoen as their GM, per sources. They still have to work out a contract, but Giants’ other GM finalists have been told that they’re out. If they work out the deal, Schoen is expected to be the Giants’ next GM." / Twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Like I said if Joshua Patrick Allen isn’t walking through that door nothing really is going to change. The Mara family are going to have to be on board with a total rebuild as Daniel Jones just isn’t the guy Daboll and Schoen are leaving. I’d full expect Kenny Pickett to be a Giant if this does happen With GM's you really need to use the long view. Rushing a QB pick still will not fix the fundamental issue of building the roster to have depth and the talent to maximize that QB's skill set. The Chiefs and Bills both targeted QB's which they had very specific visions for and how they would support them. As fans I get you always want QB asap, but at times it pays dividends to wait a little for your guy. This is a QB weak draft and Schoen would be walking into a team that needs a full on autopsy before making adjustments. Jones probably isn't the guy but god knows what exists with him or some of the skill guys given the prior regime. You are 100% correct that you need a guy like an Allen for your long term success, but the foundation has to be ready to build on without any lingering issues from the prior build or lack there of. If the Mara family is not onboard with a total rebuild any prospective GM/coach would be a fool to take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I predict Daboll and Watson hooks up in NY with the Giants now. Not sure if Giants can fit him under the cap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 The Giants definitely need a veteran to compete with Daniel Jones for the QB spot. Considering this is expected to be a weak QB draft, it doesn't make sense to use either of their 2 top 10 picks on a QB. Let Trubisky & Jones fight it out & they will have a very good backup too since the Trubisky/Jones 1-2 in either order are a lot better than this year's disaster at backup after Jones went down. Then evaluate both & see if either is good enough to be the 2023 starter. If both fail to impress, draft a rookie in 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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