RobbRiddick Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 If Flores had a franchise QB the last 2 years, would he have made the playoffs? Yes, both years 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 43 minutes ago, StHustle said: Very unpopular take. Wanna explain why? I mixed up Giants and Jest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 49 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: If Flores had a franchise QB the last 2 years, would he have made the playoffs? Yes, both years Terrible take. McD made the playoffs with Rex’s hand me downs and Tyrod. An above average coach wins with that roster. Flores is not that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, GreggTX said: I think Brian Flores will soon be showing the Dolphins the error of their ways. They should just trade Tua and try their luck again at QB, not fire a good coach. I think it will be a while before they mount a serious threat. I think he'll be looking for a team with a good, young QB next time. It says a lot about him by the way he played against Bill Belichick. He’s a great coach, I would love to have him in Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 😅😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 The owner likes Tua. It appears Flores didn't. Per Lombardi “Remember I said there was commentary between the head coach and Tua during the season and I wouldn’t reveal what the conversation was. Well, the conversation was, hey, if I’d have knew you were going to be this bad, I would have picked Mac Jones. That’s the conversation.” I kinda feel bad for Tua as he may not be a great QB .. but that is harsh Full story here: https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2022/01/brian-flores-told-tua-tagovailoa-he-should-have-picked-patriots-qb-mac-jones-instead-per-michael-lombardi.html 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Haha! Savage. No wonder he’s gone. People are way too sensitive nowadays for that kind of straight talk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 I kind of agree. At this point I feel sort of bad for Tua. I mean Tua in New England would be at least as good as Mac Jones I feel like. Apparently Flores biggest problem and why he was canned is that he didn't realize he is in the people business. He's a total jerk. And maybe more accurate just completely oblivious to personal relationships. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 AND he wanted to pick Herbert. This is what happens when your HC is micro-managed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Can you blame Flores? Taking Tua over Herbert could go down as one of biggest draft blunders of all time. 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Tua was "so bad" that he won 8 of his last 9 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: The owner likes Tua. It appears Flores didn't. Per Lombardi “Remember I said there was commentary between the head coach and Tua during the season and I wouldn’t reveal what the conversation was. Well, the conversation was, hey, if I’d have knew you were going to be this bad, I would have picked Mac Jones. That’s the conversation.” I kinda feel bad for Tua as he may not be a great QB .. but that is harsh Full story here: https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2022/01/brian-flores-told-tua-tagovailoa-he-should-have-picked-patriots-qb-mac-jones-instead-per-michael-lombardi.html This really makes you wonder who Lombardi’s source is. Flores had a reputation as being tough but not abusive toward his players. If he said that I’d like to know the context. He could have said it as a joke and patted him on the back. Still probably not the best think to joke about… but I can’t see him saying this seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 I don't think Flores is a particularly good coach but his QB takes, as reported, are like 100% correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: The owner likes Tua. It appears Flores didn't. Per Lombardi “Remember I said there was commentary between the head coach and Tua during the season and I wouldn’t reveal what the conversation was. Well, the conversation was, hey, if I’d have knew you were going to be this bad, I would have picked Mac Jones. That’s the conversation.” I kinda feel bad for Tua as he may not be a great QB .. but that is harsh Full story here: https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2022/01/brian-flores-told-tua-tagovailoa-he-should-have-picked-patriots-qb-mac-jones-instead-per-michael-lombardi.html Could’ve been to spark a fire under his arse!! Flores seemed like a motivator as a coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Just now, BuffaloBillies said: Tua was "so bad" that he won 8 of his last 9 games. Much like last season, the defense carried the team to most of those wins. Tua did play a little better however 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a K-Gun Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: The owner likes Tua. It appears Flores didn't. Per Lombardi “Remember I said there was commentary between the head coach and Tua during the season and I wouldn’t reveal what the conversation was. Well, the conversation was, hey, if I’d have knew you were going to be this bad, I would have picked Mac Jones. That’s the conversation.” I kinda feel bad for Tua as he may not be a great QB .. but that is harsh Full story here: https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2022/01/brian-flores-told-tua-tagovailoa-he-should-have-picked-patriots-qb-mac-jones-instead-per-michael-lombardi.html I mean, did Flores see Mac Jones play? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillies said: Tua was "so bad" that he won 8 of his last 9 games. Football is the ultimate team sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Doesn't really make a lot of sense, they weren't in the same draft class, now Justin Herbert that'd make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: AND he wanted to pick Herbert. This is what happens when your HC is micro-managed. There's a lot more we maybe don't know about i think. How do you bring in free agents to multi year contracts like Kyle Van Noy and Shaq Lawson and then kick them to the curb after just one season. One guy, okay I can maybe see that being a specific player issue. But two? That seems like a coach/organizational issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 John Clayton was talking about Flores yesterday, and how he is known to be too direct and hard to get along with--the sort of guy who alienates players and what not. I guess this supports that assertion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, JohnNord said: This really makes you wonder who Lombardi’s source is. Flores had a reputation as being tough but not abusive toward his players. If he said that I’d like to know the context. He could have said it as a joke and patted him on the back. Still probably not the best think to joke about… but I can’t see him saying this seriously I suppose it would of been a pretty clear joke if he said after any of the Patriot games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Dear Coach Flores, Please accept this gift in the spirit it is offered. Your Friend, Inigo Montoya 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: AND he wanted to pick Herbert. This is what happens when your HC is micro-managed. True, but there are also many times I'm sure where the head coach gets the reigns and just messes everything up lol. Chip Kelly comes to mind, Rhule so far in Carolina. Plenty more. In this instance, yes it certainly backfired hard on the Dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Hard nosed coach motivating a player is likely, if it is to believed to start with. And, what was the context? Hurt feelings in that business should mean very little. Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Hard nosed coach motivating a player is likely, if it is to believed to start with. And, what was the context? Hurt feelings in that business should mean very little. Did this happen before they won 8 of 9, I'm guessing it did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 There was another report that Flores is the kind of person to walk past his players in the facility and not just not say hello to them but pretty much not even notice them as if they weren't even there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: AND he wanted to pick Herbert. This is what happens when your HC is micro-managed. The AFC East would of been a different story with Herbert as Miami’s starting QB. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said: Dear Coach Flores, Please accept this gift in the spirit it is offered. Your Friend, Inigo Montoya This book is obviously outdated in some ways, but its basic premises remain valid after all these years. Several years ago, when I was in my first management position, I read this and did a "book club" with my team using this book. It's a classic that is still relevant. I hope it has helped me "win friends" and "influence people" here on TBD, but I am not holding my breath on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Tua to Flores: "and I want some extra ketchups for those fries, chief" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: The AFC East would of been a different story with Herbert as Miami’s starting QB. Who knows. If Herbert goes to Miami where the owner and/or GM didn't want him, maybe he'd be just as screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Can you blame Flores? Taking Tua over Herbert could go down as one of biggest draft blunders of all time. Much like Mayfield, Darnold, or B Chubb (Denver) over Allen. I love it that Jets fans have to know they passed on Allen every time we face them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 As stated above, Tua in New England may be as good or better than Mac Jones. Neither can or will hold a candle to Josh. Herbert is far better than Tua and Jones and while I prefer Allen to Herbert, Herbert at least has the talent and potential to be in the conversation. Allen remains the prefect fit for Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Apparently this was already debunked, as putting the words in Flores' mouth as a hypothetical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: Tua was "so bad" that he won 8 of his last 9 games. This is what surprised me, I thought maybe Flores won enough over the back half of the season to keep his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: Much like Mayfield, Darnold, or B Chubb (Denver) over Allen. I love it that Jets fans have to know they passed on Allen every time we face them. I work with a podiatrist who is a Jets fan, and so is his son. He knows I'm a huge Bills fan and I was talking to him about Allen a few months back, sometime after Darnold was with the Panthers. He was saying he was lamenting to his son that the Jets could have had Allen instead and he said his son said to him "yeah, but dad, the Jets would have ruined him also." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: The owner likes Tua. It appears Flores didn't. Per Lombardi “Remember I said there was commentary between the head coach and Tua during the season and I wouldn’t reveal what the conversation was. Well, the conversation was, hey, if I’d have knew you were going to be this bad, I would have picked Mac Jones. That’s the conversation.” I kinda feel bad for Tua as he may not be a great QB .. but that is harsh Full story here: https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2022/01/brian-flores-told-tua-tagovailoa-he-should-have-picked-patriots-qb-mac-jones-instead-per-michael-lombardi.html Already debunked by Lombardi himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1. Lombardi already has had to come out and say that this is not something that Flores said to Tua. 2. Both Omar Kelly and Amando Salguero (long time Dolphins beat reporters) have said that if Flores preferred Herbert that the Dolphins would have drafted him and that at the time of Tua's drafting that all 3 (Flores, Grier, Ross) were on board with drafting Tua. It wasn't until after Flores began to work with Tua that soured on him as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Good point for Flores: He knows a lousy QB when he sees one. Bad point for Flores: He cannot recognize a one read rubber arm QB. Good news for Bills: Dolphins in QB purgatory..and this usually lasts for years unless you tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: Much like Mayfield, Darnold, or B Chubb (Denver) over Allen. I love it that Jets fans have to know they passed on Allen every time we face them. Allen probably would’ve been ruined on the Jets. And Allen had a lot more questions heading into the draft than Herbert. Heck, I bet Beane would’ve taken Darnold over Allen at the time. Tua and Herbert was definitely more of a debate and Dolphins failed in that decision miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: There was another report that Flores is the kind of person to walk past his players in the facility and not just not say hello to them but pretty much not even notice them as if they weren't even there. Retired NHL players talk about that sort of thing all the time. 20 or 30 years ago, I guess almost ALL NHL coaches were like that. They treated players poorly and ruled through fear. For a long time now (at least 10 years) players talk about how you simply can't coach that way anymore. The players these days have been stars since they were 10 years old and expect to be treated like stars...and they will simply tune out any coach who coaches in the old school style. The buzz word describing a good coach now is "communicator" and "knows how to work with young players." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Can you blame Flores? Taking Tua over Herbert could go down as one of biggest draft blunders of all time. Doesn't that go to the GM's account? Did he get fired too? And with that 20/20 hindsight thing going on....Darnold ahead of Allen isn't looking too smart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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