MNF - Fish at Saints Game Thread

[HomeskillitMoorman]

We've had QB's like this for the majority of my life. I don't even know how I got through all that anymore. 

[Jrb1979]

Watching this game I am very impressed with the Dolphins defense. I know it's a 4th string QB playing but they have looked good. Makes me wonder why the Bills don't play defense more like them. B

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

How can you call Miami "impressive" playing against guys who were signed today??

 

Color commentary is a tough job.

[MPT]

I am extremely salty about this game. Needed Kamara to get 18 points in PPR. No problem, right? He's literally the only offensive weapon they have. They'll draw it up so Book targets him 15 times on short throws to get the kid in a rhythm and mitigate the Dolphins' pass rush and I'll be on to the championship. 

 

Well, that seemed reasonable enough. But imagine being down to your 3rd string QB and not game planning around your only offensive weapon. Unbelievably bad coaching by the Saints.

[clayboy54]

3 minutes ago, MPT said:

I am extremely salty about this game. Needed Kamara to get 18 points in PPR. No problem, right? He's literally the only offensive weapon they have. They'll draw it up so Book targets him 15 times on short throws to get the kid in a rhythm and mitigate the Dolphins' pass rush and I'll be on to the championship. 

 

Well, that seemed reasonable enough. But imagine being down to your 3rd string QB and not game planning around your only offensive weapon. Unbelievably bad coaching by the Saints.

and, why they came out throwing the ball all over the place with this Book playing, is way beyond me.

[Warcodered]

22 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Alright now who stole the last lemon?

16 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

So the Saints QB is some radio contest winner, right?

Make a wish kid.

 

[Since1981]

Wow, that game was boring. I think I heard a pin drop on tv. I also had a case of “Bad-QB-PTSD” there. 

[PromoTheRobot]

The NFL should formally apologize for that game.

[Warcodered]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

The NFL should formally apologize for that game.

I mean did you see the one on last night?

[Bray Wyatt]

48 minutes ago, MPT said:

I am extremely salty about this game. Needed Kamara to get 18 points in PPR. No problem, right? He's literally the only offensive weapon they have. They'll draw it up so Book targets him 15 times on short throws to get the kid in a rhythm and mitigate the Dolphins' pass rush and I'll be on to the championship. 

 

Well, that seemed reasonable enough. But imagine being down to your 3rd string QB and not game planning around your only offensive weapon. Unbelievably bad coaching by the Saints.

Same here (needed 20), plus the saints were without their 2 offensive tackles. You would think check downs and screens for Kamara would have been a feature.

 

Book was also awful, didn’t seem to know where his checkdowns were and took sacks when he could have throw it away a few times 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Watching this game I am very impressed with the Dolphins defense. I know it's a 4th string QB playing but they have looked good. Makes me wonder why the Bills don't play defense more like them. B

 

You mean like the defense the Bills have that allowed a Simien led Saints 6 points?  Or Maybe the Miami D that allowed the Falcons to score 30 points.

[thenorthremembers]

4 hours ago, MPT said:

I am extremely salty about this game. Needed Kamara to get 18 points in PPR. No problem, right? He's literally the only offensive weapon they have. They'll draw it up so Book targets him 15 times on short throws to get the kid in a rhythm and mitigate the Dolphins' pass rush and I'll be on to the championship. 

 

Well, that seemed reasonable enough. But imagine being down to your 3rd string QB and not game planning around your only offensive weapon. Unbelievably bad coaching by the Saints.

To make matters worse I am pretty sure he is their 4th string QB.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I feel the NFL owes us a game day check for sticking around for this entire game.

Cut away to the studio for 2022 draft projections, and Dr. Ho advertisements, did they?

[eball]

8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

How is he winning games??

 

8 hours ago, mannc said:

By playing against bad football teams.

 

It’s the truth.  Look who they are beating.  Their strength of victory metric is only a little better than Atlanta’s.  Waddle is going to be a very good player and Gesicki is a good TE, but otherwise offensively they are deficient…and that includes QB.  Tua, to me, looks like just an average guy who will need a really good team around him to be successful.  As Bills fans we should hope that they continue the Flores/Tua experiment.

 

 

[SirAndrew]

9 minutes ago, eball said:

 

 

It’s the truth.  Look who they are beating.  Their strength of victory metric is only a little better than Atlanta’s.  Waddle is going to be a very good player and Gesicki is a good TE, but otherwise offensively they are deficient…and that includes QB.  Tua, to me, looks like just an average guy who will need a really good team around him to be successful.  As Bills fans we should hope that they continue the Flores/Tua experiment.

 

 

Yeah, Tua consistently leading the Fish to 9-8 seasons is the best case scenario for us. Mediocrity would allow Tua to stick around, while the Fish continue to be a minimal threat. Now that we have our QB, it’s fun to think of other teams that way. 

[SCBills]

All season long we’ve talked about how tough the North is, or how tough the West is… meanwhile, the AFCE currently has 3 playoff teams with two weeks left in the regular season.  
 

[Greg S]

I wonder who could throw a football farther noodle arm Jones or Tua? I think if you combined their throws the ball wouldn't go 20 yards. Allen could probably throw a football farther with his foot than Tua or noodle arm Jones. Even though he plays on the worst team in the division I think Wilson ends up being the 2nd best QB in the AFCE eventually.

[NoSaint]

8 hours ago, clayboy54 said:

and, why they came out throwing the ball all over the place with this Book playing, is way beyond me.

im not sure that was throwing all over the place… 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

23 minutes ago, Greg S said:

I wonder who could throw a football farther noodle arm Jones or Tua? I think if you combined their throws the ball wouldn't go 20 yards. Allen could probably throw a football farther with his foot than Tua or noodle arm Jones.

Gold standard:

Against the all powerful Uncle Rico shall all others be judged.

[gordong]

tua is a joke... thought we would see some improvement by now. Glad we have a real QB...  

[Jrb1979]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

You mean like the defense the Bills have that allowed a Simien led Saints 6 points?  Or Maybe the Miami D that allowed the Falcons to score 30 points.

You mean that same Miami defense that held the Saints to 3 points. I wasn't even talking about the points. I was referring to how much they get to QB. The Bills defense would be that much better if they blitzed more. 

[Ramza86]

Just now, gordong said:

tua is a joke... thought we would see some improvement by now. Glad we have a real QB...  

 

I think Tua looks ok. If I were the fins, id continue to give him a shot for another year or 2.

 

They do have some offensive line issues as well. 

But they need to make a call on him sooner than Tannehill, thats for sure.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

 

It’s the truth.  Look who they are beating.  Their strength of victory metric is only a little better than Atlanta’s.  Waddle is going to be a very good player and Gesicki is a good TE, but otherwise offensively they are deficient…and that includes QB.  Tua, to me, looks like just an average guy who will need a really good team around him to be successful.  As Bills fans we should hope that they continue the Flores/Tua experiment.

 

 

Except it's not "the truth". It's an idiotic narrative. Every single year the "they didn't beat anyone good" narrative gets thrown around.

 

Have you noticed this year that there really are very few dominate teams? Have you possibly noticed how many times this year a "bad team" has obliterated a "good team"? To be on the winning side of and NFL game 8 weeks in a row is a huge accomplishment. 

 

Reading here I have seen that Tua is terrible, Flores is awful. They have no offensive line and nothing at RB. And yet SOMEHOW this assembley of horrid coaches and players has lined up for 8 straight games and won. The logic is so far off it's head spinning. 

 

If the Dolphins win out, Flores is a CoY candidate. What they have done and how they have finished after a 1-7 start is impressive. 

[Meatloaf63]

34 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

You mean that same Miami defense that held the Saints to 3 points. I wasn't even talking about the points. I was referring to how much they get to QB. The Bills defense would be that much better if they blitzed more. 

Do you realize what players NO had on the field last night including a rookie qb with little time to prepare?

[JGMcD2]

According to Dolphins fans… this Dolphins team is like the early 2000s Patriots. 
 

Tua is elite and just needs an offensive line. 
 

The Saints defense is better than Tennessee and New England. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

22 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Except it's not "the truth". It's an idiotic narrative. Every single year the "they didn't beat anyone good" narrative gets thrown around.

 

Have you noticed this year that there really are very few dominate teams? Have you possibly noticed how many times this year a "bad team" has obliterated a "good team"? To be on the winning side of and NFL game 8 weeks in a row is a huge accomplishment. 

 

Reading here I have seen that Tua is terrible, Flores is awful. They have no offensive line and nothing at RB. And yet SOMEHOW this assembley of horrid coaches and players has lined up for 8 straight games and won. The logic is so far off it's head spinning. 

 

If the Dolphins win out, Flores is a CoY candidate. What they have done and how they have finished after a 1-7 start is impressive. 

 

If you look who they beat, the only decent team in the steak was the Ravens and they are about as consistent as the Bills have been this year, LOL so not super impressed there.  They beat the Pats but that was the 23-4 version to start the season.  NE also had a 7 game winning steak too.   I will give them a decent shot at beating NE for a second time.  This week at Tenn, not so sure about that one.

 

Having said all that I do agree with you, if they win out Flores does have a shot a CoY, think Reich would get it over him though or the Bengals coach.  Still not that impressed with Tua either.  It's kind of what they were saying yesterday about NE, the same could be said for Miami: 

 

The game needs to play out exactly how they need it to for them to win

[FLFan]

33 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Except it's not "the truth". It's an idiotic narrative. Every single year the "they didn't beat anyone good" narrative gets thrown around.

 

Have you noticed this year that there really are very few dominate teams? Have you possibly noticed how many times this year a "bad team" has obliterated a "good team"? To be on the winning side of and NFL game 8 weeks in a row is a huge accomplishment. 

 

Reading here I have seen that Tua is terrible, Flores is awful. They have no offensive line and nothing at RB. And yet SOMEHOW this assembley of horrid coaches and players has lined up for 8 straight games and won. The logic is so far off it's head spinning. 

 

If the Dolphins win out, Flores is a CoY candidate. What they have done and how they have finished after a 1-7 start is impressive. 

Well, they have not won 8 in a row yet, and odds are against that in TN, but their streak is impressive given how they started.  In my opinion though, the Coach of the Year does not lose 7 games in a row requiring a heroic finish.  He has issues.  Tua is better than Mac Jones, but he is far from an elite QB and never will be.  He has folded like a cheap suit each time against Buffalo, when he can even finish the game.  He has had a nice run against mediocre competition, just like Jones did, and now that is over for this year.  

[SCBills]

Saints, even without their linebackers last night, are a good defense.   After he threw the pick, he started to do some nice things.  That said, a good defense can only hang on so long when the Ian Book-led Offense is just handing the ball right back over to the other team.

 

I don't think Tua is very good, but I also don't think he's bad.  He's just meh.  Derek Carr type ceiling.

 

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by SCBills

[The Frankish Reich]

47 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Derek Carr type ceiling.

Lefthanded Jimmy Garoppolo?

He hasn't shown the ability to be a true game changer. But he's 12-7 in 19 starts, playing on an offense that doesn't look very impressive overall. His second season has been considerably better than his first. We're spoiled here now that we've found/developed Allen. Imagine a world where we went all Broncos and passed on a QB in 2018, tanked, and then drafted Tua in 2020. I think we'd be pretty happy about his development. He's no Losman/Edwards/Manuel. (Although we would be calling for Beane's head for not taking Herbert!)

 

 

[vanhalen26]

It’s awesome, Tua has shown enough to buy more time, and the fins will go nowhere for a few more years while they continue to watch Tua play inconsistently.

[Rocky Landing]

4 hours ago, gordong said:

tua is a joke... thought we would see some improvement by now. Glad we have a real QB...  

We've definitely seen improvement in Tua. He went into this game as the most accurate QB in the league, shockingly. Predominantly short throws, of course-- but he's learned how to play the position while keeping himself safe, and not crapping himself. That's a lot more improvement than I thought we would see.

[gordong]

54 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

We've definitely seen improvement in Tua. He went into this game as the most accurate QB in the league, shockingly. Predominantly short throws, of course-- but he's learned how to play the position while keeping himself safe, and not crapping himself. That's a lot more improvement than I thought we would see.

not really shocking as he throws 2-7 yard passes 90% on the time...

[Captain Hindsight]

55 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

We've definitely seen improvement in Tua. He went into this game as the most accurate QB in the league, shockingly. Predominantly short throws, of course-- but he's learned how to play the position while keeping himself safe, and not crapping himself. That's a lot more improvement than I thought we would see.

He looked more decisive last night than he's been in the past. Waddle is a great player and makes his job easier. I think they will regret passing on Herbert forever, but Tua looked good last night, albeit against the XFL roster the saints were able to trot out there

[gordong]

4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

According to Dolphins fans… this Dolphins team is like the early 2000s Patriots. 
 

Tua is elite and just needs an offensive line. 
 

The Saints defense is better than Tennessee and New England. 

Some of those bozos think Tua is better than Allen....   LAUGHABLE is an understatement.  

[eball]

6 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

If the Dolphins win out, Flores is a CoY candidate

 

Unfortunately the award is coach of the YEAR, not coach of the 2nd half of the year.  When you win the games you should win, you don't deserve praise.  The Saints team that trotted out onto the field last night was a joke.

 

I'd love to see Miami sneak into the playoffs and then get humiliated.