Gameday Bills vs Pats* Postgame Thread

[Dablitzkrieg]

Read 3 tweets down....eek...the CuLtUrE

Edited December 7, 2021 by Dablitzkrieg

[RobbRiddick]

I knew that upside down Bills table in the Alabama game would come back to haunt us

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I feel like in the midst of a playoff race firing Daboll would not be the right move without a viable replacement. Do you have anyone on our staff that you’d like more calling plays?

Well, I did say "somewhat" replace as in giving the guy some time off to grieve.

 

The Bills did quietly promote QB coach Ken Dorsey to passing game coordinator so if JIC Daboll were hired away they would have a replacement.  

 

1 hour ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

The offense scores a TD on one of those two red zone trips late and they win the game.

 

It's that simple. 

Also that Tennessee game if they score on that final run up the middle on 4th and one...they win.

 

1 hour ago, Governor said:

We had this guy but he moved onto a better team after the fans blamed everything on him and ran him out of town.

 

https://www.packers.com/team/coaches-roster/nathaniel-hackett

 

 

And yes, he was fired in Jacksonville by the guy who gave him his first job as an NFL OC.

 

AFAIK Packers head coach Matt LaFleur calls the plays in Green Bay. 

 

BTW, how did Blake Bortles development go? 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Wrong. Bills score they win.

It really is that simple.

 

All those rushing yards would have meant nothing. 

Did you watch the game? If they Bills scored the Patriots still have around 1 min and 55 seconds and 2 time outs to score. A field goal would tie the game assuming the Bills make the extra point. If the Bills go for 2 They are up either 2 or 4 points. There is no guarantee the Bills win.

 

Also, to play the "what if" game is pretty ridiculous too. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by newcam2012

[newcam2012]

54 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

In the pre-game thread I said we needed Dabolls best game plan and good execution.

 

I'd argue that we might have got Dabolls worst and the execution was poor.

 

We laid a rotten egg. !@#$ I'm pisssed.

I thought the Bills would have a few surprise plays. I can't recall one. Very little motion and countless runs up the middle that never worked. I get trying to run especially with the wind. However, the Bills line wasn't physical enough between the tackles. Yet, they continued to try to pound the ball. Even the broadcast team stated on a few occasions the Bills can't run up the middle with success. They even gave away a down or two in the endzone late in the game trying to run up the gut. Really a colossal mistake(s). The Bills defense gave up way too many yards on the ground. They never forced the Pats to pass. The offense scored one gift touchdown. The coaching staff was out classed by the Patriots. That hurts to say. The game in the trenches was won by the Patriots. What a major disappointment on so many levels. 

[jburt2625]

I actually think this is a Bills route with good weather. Had Diggs 2x in the endzone, Davis a second time. Knox couldn’t catch a cold tonight. thought it was a well played game by the offense considering…
Overall I’m ok with this game. Makes the playoffs harder to get to but still ok with this. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, jburt2625 said:

I actually think this is a Bills route with good weather. Had Diggs 2x in the endzone, Davis a second time. Knox couldn’t catch a cold tonight. thought it was a well played game by the offense considering…
Overall I’m ok with this game. Makes the playoffs harder to get to but still ok with this. 

Some people never learn and they fail to see the obvious. This is a perfect example here. No Bills fan should be "ok with this game." 

 

The fact is the game wasn't played in good weather. I could careless about woulda, coulda, shoulda, ... This team wasn't good enough to win. This team is in a dog fight to make the playoffs especially after Tampa and Brady hand them a can of whip a$$. Fournette is going to eat them alive. 

 

I'm not ok with the loss, the way the Bills played, and the weaknesses of the team. This team is not even remotely close to last years team. Stop with the excuses.  The only little hope is that the AFC doesn't seem to have a dominate team. Parity is pretty evident. This season is so frustrating compared to last year. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by newcam2012

[1997WS6]

7 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

I just can't wait to hear WGR tell me how you don't need to run the ball.

Or how there is NO way Breida will play, or how every caller that thinks different than they do is stupid, or…

[newcam2012]

10 minutes ago, 1997WS6 said:

Or how there is NO way Breida will play, or how every caller that thinks different than they do is stupid, or…

Depressing...

[JerseyBills]

7 hours ago, CSBill said:

Had our chances, could not execute in the Red Zone, again. 

We been getting stuck there all year. 

Teams don't need to make us 1 dimensional, we just are 1 dimensional and it's painfully obvious in the Red Zone. 

 

Mind boggling we didn't have some designed runs for 17 in that spot. In those conditions 

[newcam2012]

Ok I said my piece now I am going to shut up. I know most will be happy. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by newcam2012

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Did you watch the game? If they Bills scored the Patriots still have around 1 min and 55 seconds and 2 time outs to score. A field goal would tie the game assuming the Bills make the extra point. If the Bills go for 2 They are up either 2 or 4 points. There is no guarantee the Bills win.

 

Also, to play the "what if" game is pretty ridiculous too. 

Exactly, what IF Harry wasn’t a fool and actually got away from the punted ball. (TD Drive) What if the refs don’t call a rather soft and awful personal foul and it’s actually 4th and 1… ( FG drive)  Both sides can do it… weird stuff happens all game.. (I had put money in the swear jar for both of those lol)

[nucci]

1 hour ago, jburt2625 said:

I actually think this is a Bills route with good weather. Had Diggs 2x in the endzone, Davis a second time. Knox couldn’t catch a cold tonight. thought it was a well played game by the offense considering…
Overall I’m ok with this game. Makes the playoffs harder to get to but still ok with this. 

WHAT? There's no way anyone should be ok with this game

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

29 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Teams don't need to make us 1 dimensional, we just are 1 dimensional and it's painfully obvious in the Red Zone.

 

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a white zone.

[CSBill]

27 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Mind boggling we didn't have some designed runs for 17 in that spot. In those conditions 

 

100% agree! .... The only run we had, was the consistently most unproductive part of the Bills offense all season, a run between the tackles that goes for no gain, and thus wastes a precious down. If you're going to run there, at least have it be a play where #17 is the ball carrier. Daboll (maybe Josh checked out it?) seems to get brain freeze in the red zone.

[Steptide]

Woke up today feeling the same way I felt after the game last night, which is I think we need to prepare ourselves for the bills not making the playoffs this season. Even if they do, how far are they gonna get? After last night I think my expectations dropped dramatically. I see 3 more wins for this team and who knows if 10-7 will get us in

[Dan]

6 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I'm disappointed that no one else on the offense stepped up to make a play when we were in the red zone.  From a RB that didn't bump the run to the outside for a TD to a TE that should have out muscled the smaller DB and caught what was a fantastic throw by Allen, after he escaped a sack, for a TD. EVERY week I watch a lot of NFL games where RB's bounce that play outside to the end zone and where TE's win the ball in the end zone and score.

 

And I haven't even mentioned that spectacular 50 yard throw in brutal wind conditions that went right through Diggs hands in the end zone.  Our Franchise QB played like a franchise QB tonight.  The issue was that no one else played at the top of their game.

 

 

This is what I see every week.  No one steps up and makes a play other than Allen.  There are times when you need the RB or receiver to just do something extraordinary and break a long run.  We never seem to get that.  
 

I would add the offensive line needs a complete overhaul.   Start with the center and both guards.   They simply can’t run block and more often than not are completely run over when they need to pass block.  

[nucci]

25 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

 

The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a white zone.

Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for unloading.

Edited December 7, 2021 by nucci

[Mrbojanglezs]

6 hours ago, Governor said:

Correct. He isn’t really a football guy. He’s basically a manager that depends on others and then makes decisions. He did get QB right, or someone did.

 

I can’t give him a pass any longer tho. This team isn’t very talented.

 

At the same time, I was never sold on McD’s scheme and bringing Frazier onboard just confirmed it to me that we’d choke in big games.

 

Its not a great situation. Daboll is the least of our problems. He will probably move on and win a SB 2 years from now on another team.

 

Dabolls history as OC before Bills suggests otherwise

[PromoTheRobot]

Upon reflection, the Bills allowed themselves to be psyched out by the weather. Turns out we had our best quarter of offense going into the wind. So why didn't we figured that out in the second quarter? We convince ourselves we have to run when we are a passing team. We did this to ourselves all season. 

[nucci]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Upon reflection, the Bills allowed themselves to be psyched out by the weather. Turns out we had our best quarter of offense going into the wind. So why didn't we figured that out in the second quarter? We convince ourselves we have to run when we are a passing team. We did this to ourselves all season. 

Agree, Allen was zipping the ball most of the time and we can not run block

[Greg S]

Looking at the rest of the schedule I see 10-7 unless they can win at TB or at NE. They "should" win the 3 home games unless the pull another Jacksonville.

 

at TB - loss

CAR - win

at NE - loss

ATL - win

NYJ - win

 

Will 10-7 be good enough for a WC. Who knows.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

This was an organizational loss. Starts with not having enough toughness, size and physicality up front. And, goes through the coaching staff not having sound strategy down and guys executing. And, apparently the leaders are now getting pissed at dumb reporters question. All that looks like to me is we are satisfied with our performance. Pathetic.

[Casey D]

I have been a Bills fan for over 50 years.  I have dim memories of Jack Kemp, Billy Shaw  and Cookie Gilchrist.  I remember my Dad being furious for trading away Daryl Lamonica.  I was in a bad marriage in 1981 when the Bills performed a miracle with a Hail Mary against the Pats and it cheered me up when I was in a really bad place. Joe Ferguson limping in San Diego.  I remember it all.

 

I have lived in Washington DC for 40 years.  My daughter who is 32 and about to give us our first grandchild is an avid Bills fan even thought she grew up here.  And my wife of 35 years (second time being the charm) is one too even though she is from down here too.  And collectively we all remember the good and the bad since the 1990s, bickering Bills, four consecutive Super Bowls, the drought, etc., etc.  I had season tix from 2002 until 2016.  Bought Club Seats to help keep the team in Buffalo.  Gave them up because of Rex Ryan.

 

I just want to say that I don't think I can do this anymore.  The pain of being a Bills fan is just too great.  And being the Washington Generals to the Pats for over 20 years, and now again, is just too much.

 

So I am passing the torch to you younger folks.  I hope it goes better for you.  I will try and focus on other pursuits.  After all it is only a game, one the Bills have played very poorly for over 50 years .  And even the Cubs and Red Sox finally one.  It can happen to you.  And I have enjoyed your company.  It has been group therapy here for nearly 25 years. 

 

And to all the trolls and Pats fans on this board.  If your intent was to make a long suffering Bills fan even more miserable, you have succeeded.  Enjoy the good fortune you have, and the additional misery you have placed on others.  I hope it makes you smile.

 

Be careful out there!  🙂

[CircleTheWagons99]

Last nights game made me less interested in the rest of the season.   I dont see this team making the playoffs let alone winning if they some how get in.

[Evian]

People need to calm dowm. The Bills are fine. Beat the Bucs and beat NE on the road and the Bills are right where they should be.  

 

The Bills won't lose again this year.  9 straight wins coming up.

 

Go Bills.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Where were the designed runs with Allen? That's our best power run game and there was not 1 called. Such a strange game plan.

[Golden*Wheels]

Build a dome or build a run game

[RunTheBall]

So much badness going on with this team. It feels like the wheels are about to come off and are just hanging on by a couple of lug nuts. 

 

I see the main issues as being the same problems we've had all year long 1) SOFT all over but especially in the trenches 2) Horrendous red zone offense. 

 

Can't fix the first one this season but there is no reason we can't fix the red zone offense. Idk if we have the coaches to do that though. 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

So much badness going on with this team. It feels like the wheels are about to come off and are just hanging on by a couple of lug nuts. 

 

I see the main issues as being the same problems we've had all year long 1) SOFT all over but especially in the trenches 2) Horrendous red zone offense. 

 

Can't fix the first one this season but there is no reason we can't fix the red zone offense. Idk if we have the coaches to do that though. 

Same problem last year and we decided to pay 💰 to keep the OL together 

[PromoTheRobot]

46 minutes ago, Casey D said:

I have been a Bills fan for over 50 years.  I have dim memories of Jack Kemp, Billy Shaw  and Cookie Gilchrist.  I remember my Dad being furious for trading away Daryl Lamonica.  I was in a bad marriage in 1981 when the Bills performed a miracle with a Hail Mary against the Pats and it cheered me up when I was in a really bad place. Joe Ferguson limping in San Diego.  I remember it all.

 

I have lived in Washington DC for 40 years.  My daughter who is 32 and about to give us our first grandchild is an avid Bills fan even thought she grew up here.  And my wife of 35 years (second time being the charm) is one too even though she is from down here too.  And collectively we all remember the good and the bad since the 1990s, bickering Bills, four consecutive Super Bowls, the drought, etc., etc.  I had season tix from 2002 until 2016.  Bought Club Seats to help keep the team in Buffalo.  Gave them up because of Rex Ryan.

 

I just want to say that I don't think I can do this anymore.  The pain of being a Bills fan is just too great.  And being the Washington Generals to the Pats for over 20 years, and now again, is just too much.

 

So I am passing the torch to you younger folks.  I hope it goes better for you.  I will try and focus on other pursuits.  After all it is only a game, one the Bills have played very poorly for over 50 years .  And even the Cubs and Red Sox finally one.  It can happen to you.  And I have enjoyed your company.  It has been group therapy here for nearly 25 years. 

 

And to all the trolls and Pats fans on this board.  If your intent was to make a long suffering Bills fan even more miserable, you have succeeded.  Enjoy the good fortune you have, and the additional misery you have placed on others.  I hope it makes you smile.

 

Be careful out there!  🙂

You need to not let sports dictate your mood. None of this really matters. It's entertainment.

[Dan]

54 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Where were the designed runs with Allen? That's our best power run game and there was not 1 called. Such a strange game plan.

Once again out OC outsmarted himself.   He proved he was the smartest guy in the room and showed BB how unpredictable he is!

 

I just know a power sweep with Allen would have scored inside the 10.  But nope, we’re gonna run Moss right into the teeth of the defense.  
 

strange is one way to put it 

[Greg S]

4 minutes ago, Dan said:

Once again out OC outsmarted himself.   He proved he was the smartest guy in the room and showed BB how unpredictable he is!

 

I just know a power sweep with Allen would have scored inside the 10.  But nope, we’re gonna run Moss right into the teeth of the defense.  
 

strange is one way to put it 

 

Moss would have scored if he went outside. The dumbass cuts right back inside and gets stuffed. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, Dan said:

Once again out OC outsmarted himself.   He proved he was the smartest guy in the room and showed BB how unpredictable he is!

 

I just know a power sweep with Allen would have scored inside the 10.  But nope, we’re gonna run Moss right into the teeth of the defense.  
 

strange is one way to put it 

I agree. I think part of the problem is they want to pretend they can pound Moss and win. Moss gives us nothing in the run game. He's actually not a bad option as a 3rd down RB, but his vision sucks. Singletary and Brieda score on this play.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Upon reflection, the Bills allowed themselves to be psyched out by the weather. Turns out we had our best quarter of offense going into the wind. So why didn't we figured that out in the second quarter? We convince ourselves we have to run when we are a passing team. We did this to ourselves all season. 

 

Dude, the weather was a problem for the passing game.  I'm not sure you can look at the placement Allen had on some of those places on the R side of the field and not see that. 

 

Likewise the deep TD pass to Diggs that he missed, it was short of where Diggs expected it.  Do you still expect a top WR in the league to haul that in, Yes, Yes you do.

 

But I digress - the point was, the wind was, in fact, an issue for the passing game.

 

The root problem is that we can't run well enough.  We need to be able to run enough that teams have to respect our run threat.

[Your Brown Eye]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I agree. I think part of the problem is they want to pretend they can pound Moss and win. Moss gives us nothing in the run game. He's actually not a bad option as a 3rd down RB, but his vision sucks. Singletary and Brieda score on this play.

 

 

 

 

Definitely a couple td's we left on the table. Diggs's td drop, the Moss play where he could've walked in if he took it outside, and the 4th down where Beasely was open over the middle. The story of 2021 season...what could've been.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

The fact that Zack Moss continues to get carries is baffling.  He is one of the least effective runners in the league.  Horrible instincts and marginal physical skills.  what exactly do the coaches need to see before they give up on him?  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

 

 

Definitely a couple td's we left on the table. Diggs's td drop, the Moss play where he could've walked in if he took it outside, and the 4th down where Beasely was open over the middle. The story of 2021 season...what could've been.

This isn't the 1st time Beasley has been open in these types of situations. Beasley needs to be the go to guy on 4th down. He's always open. 

Just now, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

The fact that Zack Moss continues to get carries is baffling.  He is one of the least effective runners in the league.  Horrible instincts and marginal physical skills.  what exactly do the coaches need to see before they give up on him?  

It's their belief he gives them a physical run game. 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

It's their belief he gives them a physical run game. 

That may be their belief, but what could possibly give them that belief?  He is horrible at all aspects of the run game.  He averaged 2.6 yards per carry yesterday with a long run of 4.  Over the last 5 games, he has a 2.5 yards per carry average!  He did exactly what any reasonable person would expect him to do. He failed miserably at moving the ball.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Golden*Wheels said:

Build a dome or build a run game

Well building a run game is a lot cheaper.  And imagine the Bils with a viable run threat last night AND with a QB who showed he could throw effectively in a gale.  If Allen was a Patriot last night they beat us 34 - 7 as the play action pass would have resulted in multiple walk in TD's and Allen, unlike Jones, could have made the throws.