Gameday Bills vs Pats* Postgame Thread

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I disagree.  On that 2nd to last drive with a first and goal at the 6, running Allen three straight times might have been a good idea. Or at least employ run/pass options. It looked like they went to straight drop back passes.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, that would’ve worked splendidly since it was clear that Bill designed the whole game plan around not letting Josh run the entire game.

[Billever76]

2 minutes ago, dakrider said:

Belichick just dared the Bills to win the game but they didn't have it in them to do it. Patriots played not to lose, Bills played not to win.

Despite looking poor at times the Bills defense only gave up 1 TD.  It was the offense that lost them the game.  Allen didn't play bad but he also didn't do quite enough to win it and he did have a couple chances on those 2 drives. I seem to notice that when the Bills take a timeout on a big play, it seems to take away their momentum and they go out and make a poor play.  Don't give the defense a chance to regroup.  The Bills running backs are so weak its pathetic.  Not the the line is giving them any lanes to run thru but these guys get taken down by simple arm tackles. The Bills simply cannot beat physical teams that run the ball.  Indy, Jax, NE, etc.

You cannot put any blame on allen...he had a perfect 45 yard bomb on the money to diggs for a td and he had lasers to knox that were dropped..sure he misssed passes but he def did enough to beat the pats

[Mattymafia]

Just now, Governor said:

You’re pretty far gone dude.

 

The reason we lost the game is because the Pats lined up and ran the ball 65 times at 7-10 yards a clip because we don’t have a LB.

Our Defense let up one big TD and other than that they did fine. Our offense got he ball in the red zone on the last two drives and on the second drive and got NOTHING. They called plays that got Allen sacked instead of giving them a chance to convert a 4th down. Hence why we had to kick a field goal everyone knew we'd miss on the second to last drive. I am not far gone. The offense was the issue today; and the offenses biggest issue was the play calling was piss poor. As it has been all year. If you dont see it, thats a problem. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

You’re pretty far gone dude.

 

The reason we lost the game is because the Pats lined up and ran the ball 65 times at 7-10 yards a clip because we don’t have a LB.

I don’t think he is…it’s certainly both things as a contributing factor but we kept them out of the end zone most of the night. Obviously we probably win if we don’t choke on that long td run but the offense choked numerous times. The pats weren’t even flipping the field really I feel like they had some punting issues… they had very little to show for their 200 plus rushing yards it’s just a really tough way to sustain drives.

[Weatherman]

Worst players of the game:

 

1. Matt “fumbled any chance away from being #1RB” Breida.

 

2. Trumaine “0-36 on reads” Edmunds

 

3. Dawson “oh no I suck again” Knox

 

These 3 are a huge reason why we lost to include poor coaching from Daboll and bad time management from McD.

[klos63]

One simple explanation for tonight is that our Oline is really bad. Other issues, wasting timeouts, not trying our passing game earlier, missed FG even in the wind shouldn't have happened, nothing creative offensively, poor linebacker play, threw away great field position twice in the first qtr. Poor coaching all around.

[njbuff]

What’s more embarrassing, losing to the Jags or having a team walk into your building and throw 3 passes and walk out with a win?

 

I say thank God there are only 5 games left.

[DapperCam]

Just now, Weatherman said:

Worst players of the game:

 

1. Matt “fumbled any chance away from being #1RB” Breida.

 

2. Trumaine “0-36 on reads” Edmunds

 

3. Dawson “oh no I suck again” Knox

 

These 3 are a huge reason why we lost to include poor coaching from Daboll and bad time management from McD.

Don’t forget the complete inability to run block.

[Mattymafia]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t think he is…it’s certainly both things as a contributing factor but we kept them out of the end zone most of the night. Obviously we probably win if we don’t choke on that long td run but the offense choked numerous times. The pats weren’t even flipping the field really I feel like they had some punting issues… they had very little to show for their 200 plus rushing yards it’s just a really tough way to sustain drives.

Thank you! I didnt think so either. 

[Weatherman]

Just now, DapperCam said:

Don’t forget the complete inability to run block.

We don’t have a RB with any vision on our team.  They couldn’t hit a hole to save their lives.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Mattymafia said:

Our Defense let up one big TD and other than that they did fine. Our offense got he ball in the red zone on the last two drives and on the second drive and got NOTHING. They called plays that got Allen sacked instead of giving them a chance to convert a 4th down. Hence why we had to kick a field goal everyone knew we'd miss on the second to last drive. I am not far gone. The offense was the issue today; and the offenses biggest issue was the play calling was piss poor. As it has been all year. If you dont see it, thats a problem. 

Allen did a nice job evading the pass rush and slipped when he had a wide open receiver in the end zone too lol I forgot about that one for my list of potential offensive plays we could’ve made. Pats certainly deserved the win and they’re the team to beat now but they dodged a ton of bullets all night 

[Governor]

5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Allen is a freaking warrior. Diggs is clutch, even though he missed that TD. He normally makes crazy catches.

 

But we need more guys on offense who can step up.

 

Sometimes your guards and center have to make plays (blocks) at key moments.

Ya, the offense sucks. Beas sucks. Knox is still young and plays small, no quality RB’s, not big physical receiver like Mike Williams on the Chargers.

 

The team was built wrong and that falls on Beane.

[Talley56]

After tonight, would it maybe have been better if the Steelers had lost yesterday?

 

[Since1981]

Nobody should be criticizing josh. Seriously. The other guy was 2/3 for 19 yds. Daboll 100% wasted the 1H for Josh. Some of the drops were wind understandable too. 

[Floydboy12]

4 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Stop lying. Left up to you would have gotten Golliday instead of Diggs. Only thing you mentioned about Jefferson was he should be consideration for the Bills with the 1st round pick since he ran a good 40 time.

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Golliday wasn’t available I don’t think when they traded for Diggs. And yes I thought keeping the picks and drafting Jefferson was the better long term move. Diggs was really good last year. He’s been mediocre this year. Would liked to have had the extra picks. But maybe would not have made a difference with Beane’s drafting prowess. 

[IronyAbounds]

4 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

That’s what I took away from the game. Defense gave up a long TD in the 1st quart and 6 points the rest of the play. Pats only made it to the redzone 2x on 10 possessions and never had a 1st and goal. Our offense came away with 10 points on 4 redzone possessions……that’s the bigger story.

The Bills have had Red Zone issues all year. I don't know if it's bad play calling, the personnel or what, but they have sucked at scoring TDs in the Red Zone. It was the biggest factor in the loss today. It will likely be what keeps them from the playoffs.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Governor said:

Ya, the offense sucks. Beas sucks. Knox is still young and plays small, no quality RB’s, not big physical receiver like Mike Williams on the Chargers.

 

The team was built wrong and that falls on Beane.

I’d let it play out…not like we have a choice lol but if we keep losing games this way at the end of the season that could definitely be true. Steelers game and this game felt pretty unlucky to me on the offensive side but maybe the drops are a trend that were doomed.

[ALF]

All the Bills had to do was run defense and failed

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, Weatherman said:

We don’t have a RB with any vision on our team.  They couldn’t hit a hole to save their lives.  

Good point. The Pats RBs didn't have huge holes on all those runs, but they found the gaps and make the good cuts that got them decent yardage. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, IronyAbounds said:

The Bills have had Red Zone issues all year. I don't know if it's bad play calling, the personnel or what, but they have sucked at scoring TDs in the Red Zone. It was the biggest factor in the loss today. It will likely be what keeps them from the playoffs.

Yea wind definitely exacerbated it at the end of this game I think…josh hits that back shoulder to diggs 9 times out of 10. I’m with everybody that’s saying why even run the ball  in the red zone at this point though for sure lol 

[Toyo321]

Wow this team is just laying bigger eggs as the season goes on.  This one is even harder to live with.    Lose a game with only 3 pass attempts against your Dee...

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Matt Bove on ch7 news gets tonight’s Amen award!!!

[IronyAbounds]

1 minute ago, Since1981 said:

Nobody should be criticizing josh. Seriously. The other guy was 2/3 for 19 yds. Daboll 100% wasted the 1H for Josh. Some of the drops were wind understandable too. 

C'mon, he isn't blameless. Not seeing wide open receivers has been an issue for him all year. He certainly isn't helped by the OL and a mediocre receiving crews, but he hasn't played up to his salary this year.

[Solomon Grundy]

20 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

coming over his shoulder from behind...its not like he was able to run past the ball..stop....turn around and then attack it. 

Didn’t know you have to stop running to jump…okay then 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Am I crazy or did Josh Allen play a good game? I feel like his playmakers let him down tonight, all of them. 

 

Defense was basically what I expected. They got ran over but did their job for the most part.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, njbuff said:

What’s more embarrassing, losing to the Jags or having a team walk into your building and throw 3 passes and walk out with a win?

 

I say thank God there are only 5 games left.

Still the jags I think 😂 this game irritates me so much cuz I feel like belichick got a bit lucky in this one …guarantee he was shitting his pants on that deep ball to diggs. A lot of those passing plays really caught them by surprise we were one play away from laughing at him but he is going to get crowned as a genius again and in a line of work where only the win matters he deserves it 

[The Frankish Reich]

Allen: that's about as well as I've seen a QB play in conditions this horrid. With a couple makeable catches he's got a win and, amazingly, 200+ yards passing in a game where his counterpart had 19. Probably everyone but Allen shares some of the blame for how this one went.

[finn]

Not surprised by the overreactions, because I want to overreact, too. But it comes down to this: the weather evened the playing the field for the Pats against a superior team. The rest was a Belichick team vs. a McDermott team, and, frankly, all else being even, I would put money on Belichick. His teams make fewer mistakes, more clutch plays, and play more disciplined, smart football than more talented teams. We've seen that for 25 years now. 

 

But the gap isn't that big, and it's more than made up by the talent gap. The Bills may still win out and make it to the Super Bowl, they really might. 

 

But Breida and Knox, god. You simply don't want players like that on your team. 

[Beast]

19 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This completely misreads what happened tonight.  The damage the Pats did to the Bills on the ground WON THE FREAKING GAME for them.  Again people ignore that in a wind game like this the Pats were able to steal possessions and field position by holding onto the ball for a couple of long drives. 

 

The Bills had the ball 6 times in Patriots territory and scored 10 points.

 

10 points.

 

That isn't good enough. Not with the weapons we have, no matter what the conditions. the offense was good enough to get into Patriots territory numerous times but not good enough once they got there and got deep.

 

Three times they were inside of the Patriots 20 and came away with three points. Let that settle in.

 

If you don't think that wasn't the biggest contributing factor to the loss, good for you I suppose.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, IronyAbounds said:

C'mon, he isn't blameless. Not seeing wide open receivers has been an issue for him all year. He certainly isn't helped by the OL and a mediocre receiving crews, but he hasn't played up to his salary this year.

This game was a bit ridiculous though…griese criticized him for that falsely about 3 times. Instant pressure up the middle and he’s like ‘why can’t he see that receiver in the middle of the field’ 😂 players aren’t translucent Brian lol 

[Nelius]

McDermott having a pretty decent press conference. Being more honest, more critical. Kind of hinted at needing to look at everything. Good amount of the canned McD answers but he's fielding some tough questions well. Somewhat different than the standard McD stuff which is good to hear.

[Comebackkid]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Shocked with Daboll in charge…. The offense has been a sloppy mess outside of most of last season when Josh carried it…. And then it reared its ugly head in the playoffs…. It’s back to being a sloppy mess unless Josh wills the offense.

you still have to wonder how much better josh would be with a better coordinator.   it seems like as soon as josh got decent daboll became complacent.   

[Big Turk]

Wow...McDermott just tossed McKenzie and Stevenson under the bus hard...basically said they were inactive because he wanted a guy back there returning that he trusted to catch the balls and make good decisions.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, finn said:

Not surprised by the overreactions, because I want to overreact, too. But it comes down to this: the weather evened the playing the field for the Pats against a superior team. The rest was a Belichick team vs. a McDermott team, and, frankly, all else being even, I would put money on Belichick. His teams make fewer mistakes, more clutch plays, and play more disciplined, smart football than more talented teams. We've seen that for 25 years now. 

 

But the gap isn't that big, and it's more than made up by the talent gap. The Bills may still win out and make it to the Super Bowl, they really might. 

 

But Breida and Knox, god. You simply don't want players like that on your team. 

Agreed. Let all the “fire so and so” emotional reactions subside in the next few days. It’s clear to me the Bills are better, but the pats out-executed us today in a game where there was no margin for error due to the weather.   let’s see how they play in NE in a few weeks. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

 

The Bills had the ball 6 times in Patriots territory and scored 10 points.

 

10 points.

 

That isn't good enough. Not with the weapons we have, no matter what the conditions. the offense was good enough to get into Patriots territory numerous times but not good enough once they got there and got deep.

 

Three times they were inside of the Patriots 20 and came away with three points. Let that settle in.

 

If you don't think that wasn't the biggest contributing factor to the loss, good for you I suppose.

We fumbled away minimum 3 crucial points in the opening minutes of the game…score 7 or even 3 there and it completely changed the complexion of the game 

[letsgoteam]

6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Matt Bove on ch7 news gets tonight’s Amen award!!!

What did he say?

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Nelius said:

McDermott having a pretty decent press conference. Being more honest, more critical. Kind of hinted at needing to look at everything. Good amount of the canned McD answers but he's fielding some tough questions well. Somewhat different than the standard McD stuff which is good to hear.

Yep. He was good. Didn't embarrass anyone (that's not his style) but clearly communicated that all is not right and that this isn't simply a bad weather fluke. I suspect we'll see some changes right away.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Once we lose to the Bucs I think the next Pats Game will pretty much decide if we are in or out. Bill will get another chance to send us into deeper misery. 

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Once we lose to the Bucs I think the next Pats Game will pretty much decide if we are in or out. Bill will get another chance to send us into deeper misery. 

 

 

Can’t disagree there…I still give us a decent shot in that one. Not much wiggle room though against these mediocre teams 

[finn]

20 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

The ball went intonyhe netting and just slid by the upright. Big players make big plays with no excuses. Bass needs to make that kick.

 

Remember Vinatieri making a clutch kick in a snow storm? Big-time players make big-time plays.

Yeah, my admiration for Bass took a nose dive after this miss and the one in the Colts game. He's just another kicker at this point.