What players are true draft busts under Beane?

[Roundybout]

There are discussions on here that Beane is a terrible drafter, can't judge talent, etc. I am not really inclined to believe this. I think he's a great GM and am happy to have him. 

 

That said, I was thinking about what players are truly busts under his tenure. I think they are: 

 

Cody Ford: though he had a better day yesterday, a high second round pick needs to be a starter every week, not objectively the worst lineman on the team at times. 

 

Harrison Phillips: I'm not sure how much that ACL tear did, but he's been awful. There are multiple videos of him being tossed like a ragdoll yesterday by the Colts' offensive line. 

 

Zack Moss: it's time to write Moss off. He might be a decent goal line back, but he's way too slow to do anything else. He's the running back version of Reggie Ragland. 

 

I don't want to include Epenesa or Oliver here because they HAVE contributed plenty already. Oliver in particular has come on this season; he's had about five sacks called back due to a penalty. My eye is on them, however. 

 

I don't include picks made after round 4 since those are often crapshoots. He's gotten good value in guys like Taron Johnson and Tyler Bass, though. 

[Sugar High JA17]

Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft

2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB

 

Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today!

[Solomon Grundy]

After yesterday I’m even more pissed about the Epenesa pick. Don’t get me wrong, I like Epenesa but I would’ve been happier if Beane would’ve traded up a couple of picks and grabbed Jonathan Taylor. I beat the drums hard during that draft wishing Beane would make that move. Taylor would’ve made this offense complete. Although I know it takes two to tango to make a trade but I’d hate to think he didn’t think it necessary because he drafted Motor. Ohhh, what could’ve been.

[Sugar High JA17]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

After yesterday I’m even more pissed about the Epenesa pick. Don’t get me wrong, I like Epenesa but I would’ve been happier if Beane would’ve traded up a couple of picks and grabbed Jonathan Taylor. I beat the drums hard during that draft wishing Beane would make that move. Taylor would’ve made this offense complete. Although I know it takes two to tango to make a trade but I’d hate to think he didn’t think it necessary because he drafted Motor. Ohhh, what could’ve been.

I always thought the same during that draft regarding Jonathan Taylor!  Taylor just ooozed talent as a star to be

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

After yesterday I’m even more pissed about the Epenesa pick. Don’t get me wrong, I like Epenesa but I would’ve been happier if Beane would’ve traded up a couple of picks and grabbed Jonathan Taylor. I beat the drums hard during that draft wishing Beane would make that move. Taylor would’ve made this offense complete. Although I know it takes two to tango to make a trade but I’d hate to think he didn’t think it necessary because he drafted Motor. Ohhh, what could’ve been.

Agree.   Taylor looked like the second coming of Adrian Peterson hoing into that draft and had been doing it for years.  Looked like a cant miss.

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft

2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB

 

Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today!

 

I ignored the 2017 draft since it wasn't clear who was calling the shots. But I agree with that one, though who knows if we would have drafted Cook with Shady still playing well. 

[Sugar High JA17]

5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

I ignored the 2017 draft since it wasn't clear who was calling the shots. But I agree with that one, though who knows if we would have drafted Cook with Shady still playing well. 

You nailed it on those buddy! Thanks for taking the time also!

Cody Ford: though he had a better day yesterday, a high second round pick needs to be a starter every week, not objectively the worst lineman on the team at times. 

Harrison Phillips: I'm not sure how much that ACL tear did, but he's been awful. There are multiple videos of him being tossed like a ragdoll yesterday by the Colts' offensive line. 

Zack Moss: it's time to write Moss off. He might be a decent goal line back, but he's way too slow to do anything else. He's the running back version of Reggie Ragland. 

[BuffaloRebound]

When it comes to Ford and the Offensive Linemen on this team, it’s hard to write them off as busts until they get a chance in different offensive scheme.  See Wyatt Teller.  
And for those clamoring for Taylor, do you really think he would’ve been used properly here? Heck he probably would’ve been plastered to the bench the way he started his rookie year with Colts.  

[clearwater cadet]

How did they invest so much in the D line and no one can get to the Qb.

Edited November 22, 2021 by clearwater cadet

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

There are discussions on here that Beane is a terrible drafter, can't judge talent, etc. I am not really inclined to believe this. I think he's a great GM and am happy to have him. 

 

That said, I was thinking about what players are truly busts under his tenure. I think they are: 

 

Cody Ford: though he had a better day yesterday, a high second round pick needs to be a starter every week, not objectively the worst lineman on the team at times. 

 

Harrison Phillips: I'm not sure how much that ACL tear did, but he's been awful. There are multiple videos of him being tossed like a ragdoll yesterday by the Colts' offensive line. 

 

Zack Moss: it's time to write Moss off. He might be a decent goal line back, but he's way too slow to do anything else. He's the running back version of Reggie Ragland. 

 

I don't want to include Epenesa or Oliver here because they HAVE contributed plenty already. Oliver in particular has come on this season; he's had about five sacks called back due to a penalty. My eye is on them, however. 

 

I don't include picks made after round 4 since those are often crapshoots. He's gotten good value in guys like Taron Johnson and Tyler Bass, though. 

If you are going to mention Moss, then you absolutely have to throw Singletary’s name in there too. 

[LABILLBACKER]

24 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

After yesterday I’m even more pissed about the Epenesa pick. Don’t get me wrong, I like Epenesa but I would’ve been happier if Beane would’ve traded up a couple of picks and grabbed Jonathan Taylor. I beat the drums hard during that draft wishing Beane would make that move. Taylor would’ve made this offense complete. Although I know it takes two to tango to make a trade but I’d hate to think he didn’t think it necessary because he drafted Motor. Ohhh, what could’ve been.

 

21 minutes ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

I always thought the same during that draft regarding Jonathan Taylor!  Taylor just ooozed talent as a star to be

There were many including myself who wanted us to trade up a little to get Taylor. But in hindsight we still had a OL with zero run blocking talent. Fix the OL first then worry about what RB is available.

[auburnbillsbacker]

26 minutes ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft

2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB

 

Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today!

Beane was not the GM.  He was hired after the draft.  Whaley and McDermott had an amazing draft in 2017, the Jones pick was one of the only  misses.  White, Dawkins, and Milano were hits.   

[Reader]

2 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

If you are going to mention Moss, then you absolutely have to throw Singletary’s name in there too. 

 

Disagree, at this point Singletary is looking considerably better.

 

Also, I think what hurts us from the drafts (mentioned before) is that we lack star power. We get a lot of solid players but aside from Allen we don't have anyone who can take over a game, that we've gotten from a draft.

[Gugny]

9 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

If you are going to mention Moss, then you absolutely have to throw Singletary’s name in there too. 

 

Yeah, Singletary's 5 YPA are horrific.  Luckily, he only gets 8 carries/game, otherwise we might have a run game.

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

After yesterday I’m even more pissed about the Epenesa pick. Don’t get me wrong, I like Epenesa but I would’ve been happier if Beane would’ve traded up a couple of picks and grabbed Jonathan Taylor. I beat the drums hard during that draft wishing Beane would make that move. Taylor would’ve made this offense complete. Although I know it takes two to tango to make a trade but I’d hate to think he didn’t think it necessary because he drafted Motor. Ohhh, what could’ve been.

Link?

1 hour ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

I always thought the same during that draft regarding Jonathan Taylor!  Taylor just ooozed talent as a star to be

Link?

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

 

There were many including myself who wanted us to trade up a little to get Taylor. But in hindsight we still had a OL with zero run blocking talent. Fix the OL first then worry about what RB is available.

Link?

 

[nedboy7]

Every week Singletery is averaging about 5 yrd a carry. And he runs about 3-5 times. I don’t get it. Can’t we lose tryin to be balanced one week.  It would be refreshing. 

[RyanC883]

hiring daboll is a bust 

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft

2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB

 

Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today!

Brandon Beane wasn't even our general manager 

 

Do you even watch the Bills in 2017 LOL

[ngbills]

Trades are hard to assume. But Bills could have traded the AJE and Moss picks and drafted Jonathan Taylor...

[Bruffalo]

Jake Fromm deserves a mention.  A complete wasted pick.

 

You can't write him off yet but I'm skeptical of Tommy Doyle.  Trey Smith was on the board and I thought he made a hell of a lot more sense if you're taking a flyer on a guy. 

 

Cody Ford.  Pretty obvious choice there.

 

I'm done with Moss. The only thing he can apparently do is pass block.  I'd like to have a running back who can run.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft

2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB

 

Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today!

Zay was drafted under Beane… By Carolina? 

[DCofNC]

Honestly, I think the better question here is, what players have lived up to where they were drafted? The only one that I can really say yes, is Allen.  I don’t know if it’s him, or the way the coaching staff chooses to use players, because some of that certainly is questionable, but the end result is not good in terms of what they are getting for draft picks.  It’s been ugly, value has not been there at all.   
 

Would you honestly take any of the guys that he drafted in the same position again? Allen is the only one, lets leave this draft off the table because there’s no body of work to really know yet.  Overall, I don’t think anyone would.  It looks possible that Brown was a good 3rd rounder this year, but Boogie is a big no this far and Groot is a question mark, I’m actually still high on him, but I’m sure a lot of people aren’t. 

[JerseyBills]

4 hours ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft

2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB

 

Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today!

Wasn't that technically Whaley drafting?

[Sugar High JA17]

15 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Wasn't that technically Whaley drafting?

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35 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Zay was drafted under Beane… By Carolina? 

Congrats! You passed the test, but unfortunately you dont get the elusive "Badge" That all Two Biils been searching for. You will get a honorable mention on my next post!

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Brandon Beane wasn't even our general manager 

 

Do you even watch the Bills in 2017 LOL

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[Fan in San Diego]

Ed Oliver

[BillsFanSD]

I don't think guys in 3rd and later can really ever be considered "busts."  The fact is that you're going to miss on most of those picks.  A guy like Moss is certainly disappointing, but "bust" is way too strong a term.

 

The only person who really qualifies in my opinion is Cody Ford.  Although we're getting close to being able to make a call on Epenesa too. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Not ready to write off Cody Ford just yet.  He had pretty good game yesterday, as I detailed in The Ford Report.  I'm interested to see more from him.

[SydneyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, whorlnut said:

If you are going to mention Moss, then you absolutely have to throw Singletary’s name in there too. 

 

Taken with pick 74 and has around 5 YPC behind a bad O-line.

 

He might not be elite or a home run hitter but objectively he cannot be put into the bust category IMO.

[bigduke6]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

Trades are hard to assume. But Bills could have traded the AJE and Moss picks and drafted Jonathan Taylor...

and Taylor behind this current line would probably be crap.  theres more to being a good productive RB than your own talent.

 

u need a line to at least give u a chance.   our current line cant do that.

Edited November 22, 2021 by bigduke6

[BuffaloRebound]

We’ve certainly come along way from ‘Come be the best version of yourself’.  Now all these high draft picks are busts.  

[John from Riverside]

I think ppl need to understand what a bust means to start

 

Just because a player does not become a full time starter doesnt make them a bust.

 

Yes.....some of these players however have underperformed but there are also reasons why some of them have under performed.

 

Like Moss....you honestly think Moss would be a bad player if he actually had a O Line that could block?

[hjnick]

2021

Round 1 • Pick 30 (30) • DE Greg Rousseau 

Round 2 • Pick 29 (61) • DE Boogie Basham 

Round 3 • Pick 30 (93) • OT Spencer Brown 

Round 5 • Pick 17 (161) • OT Tommy Doyle 

Round 6 • Pick 19 (203) • WR Marquez Stevenson 

Round 6 • Pick 28 (212) • S Damar Hamlin 

Round 6 • Pick 29 (213) • CB Rachad Wildgoose 

Round 7 • Pick 8 (236) • G Jack Anderson
 

2020

Round 2 • Pick 22 (54) • DE A.J. Epenesa 

Round 3 • Pick 22 (86) • RB Zack Moss 

Round 4 • Pick 22 (128) • WR Gabriel Davis 

Round 5 • Pick 22 (167) • QB Jake Fromm 

Round 6 • Pick 9 (188) • K Tyler Bass 

Round 6 • Pick 28 (207) • WR Isaiah Hodgins 

Round 7 • Pick 25 (239) • CB Dane Jackson
 

2019

Round 1 • Pick 9 (9) • DT Ed Oliver 

Round 2 • Pick 6 (38) • G Cody Ford 

Round 3 • Pick 11 (74) • RB Devin Singletary 

Round 3 • Pick 33 (96) • TE Dawson Knox 

Round 5 • Pick 9 (147) • LB Vosean Joseph 

Round 6 • Pick 8 (181) • S Jaquan Johnson 

Round 7 • Pick 11 (225) • DE Darryl Johnson 

Round 7 • Pick 14 (228) • TE Tommy Sweeney
 

2018

1 Josh Allen

1 Trumaine Edmunds

3 Harrison Phillips

4 Taron Johnson

5 Siran Neal

5 Wyatt Teller

6 Ray Ray Mc Cloud

7 Austin Proehl

 

After listing all these out, it looks like the dude can draft… but you can’t hit them all.

 

Busts: 

2019 Cody Ford.  I wanted DK Metcalf in the first or second round when he was still there.

 

Honorable Mention Bust:

Oliver. I wanted Hockenson, but he was taken right before us. 

[Einstein]

I don’t judge a GM based only on their history of drafting busts.

 

I also want to see if they can acquire elite talent. Beane has not been able to do that.

 

He has acquired “good talent”, sometimes, but not elite (outside Allen).

 

He has also made one of the worst trades for the Bills in the last 20 years, if not longer.

 

He also sat on his hands while the OL was being mauled.

 

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Edited November 22, 2021 by Einstein

[DCofNC]

4 minutes ago, hjnick said:

2021

Round 1 • Pick 30 (30) • DE Greg Rousseau 

Round 2 • Pick 29 (61) • DE Boogie Basham 

Round 3 • Pick 30 (93) • OT Spencer Brown 

Round 5 • Pick 17 (161) • OT Tommy Doyle 

Round 6 • Pick 19 (203) • WR Marquez Stevenson 

Round 6 • Pick 28 (212) • S Damar Hamlin 

Round 6 • Pick 29 (213) • CB Rachad Wildgoose 

Round 7 • Pick 8 (236) • G Jack Anderson
 

2020

Round 2 • Pick 22 (54) • DE A.J. Epenesa 

Round 3 • Pick 22 (86) • RB Zack Moss 

Round 4 • Pick 22 (128) • WR Gabriel Davis 

Round 5 • Pick 22 (167) • QB Jake Fromm 

Round 6 • Pick 9 (188) • K Tyler Bass 

Round 6 • Pick 28 (207) • WR Isaiah Hodgins 

Round 7 • Pick 25 (239) • CB Dane Jackson
 

2019

Round 1 • Pick 9 (9) • DT Ed Oliver 

Round 2 • Pick 6 (38) • G Cody Ford 

Round 3 • Pick 11 (74) • RB Devin Singletary 

Round 3 • Pick 33 (96) • TE Dawson Knox 

Round 5 • Pick 9 (147) • LB Vosean Joseph 

Round 6 • Pick 8 (181) • S Jaquan Johnson 

Round 7 • Pick 11 (225) • DE Darryl Johnson 

Round 7 • Pick 14 (228) • TE Tommy Sweeney
 

2018

1 Josh Allen

1 Trumaine Edmunds

3 Harrison Phillips

4 Taron Johnson

5 Siran Neal

5 Wyatt Teller

6 Ray Ray Mc Cloud

7 Austin Proehl

 

After listing all these out, it looks like the dude can draft… but you can’t hit them all.

 

Busts: 

2019 Cody Ford.  I wanted DK Metcalf in the first or second round when he was still there.

 

Honorable Mention Bust:

Oliver. I wanted Hockenson, but he was taken right before us. 

You are finding this as a positive sign?  2018 is good, because Allen worked out.  Edmunds, overdrafted,  Taron Johnson was a nice find as was Teller who he subsequently traded fir a bag of chips, that’s pretty awful. 
 

I mean, what else are you really happy with?

[Patrick Duffy]

6 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

There are discussions on here that Beane is a terrible drafter, can't judge talent, etc. I am not really inclined to believe this. I think he's a great GM and am happy to have him. 

 

That said, I was thinking about what players are truly busts under his tenure. I think they are: 

 

Cody Ford: though he had a better day yesterday, a high second round pick needs to be a starter every week, not objectively the worst lineman on the team at times. 

 

Harrison Phillips: I'm not sure how much that ACL tear did, but he's been awful. There are multiple videos of him being tossed like a ragdoll yesterday by the Colts' offensive line. 

 

Zack Moss: it's time to write Moss off. He might be a decent goal line back, but he's way too slow to do anything else. He's the running back version of Reggie Ragland. 

 

I don't want to include Epenesa or Oliver here because they HAVE contributed plenty already. Oliver in particular has come on this season; he's had about five sacks called back due to a penalty. My eye is on them, however. 

 

I don't include picks made after round 4 since those are often crapshoots. He's gotten good value in guys like Taron Johnson and Tyler Bass, though. 

Just to refer to the 3 you listed.....

 

Ford is a definite disappointment so I agree 100%...

 

H.Phillips- Not sure yet, although has not been as expected or hoped for, but not ready to call him a bust yet.

 

Moss- Another one that is hard for me. The RB's are kinda hard to call due to how the Oline struggles so much. I will say though that he is not reliable catching the ball. Kinda seems slow at times hitting a hole when on the rare chance it's there though. I think he can be better but whatever the case need improvement at RB either way. But don't want to call him a bust just yet.

[Patrick Duffy]

By the way, what point does most define "bust" to be? Like what round? imo to be considered an actual "bust", is rounds 1-3 and sometimes 3rd round is "iffy" depending on circumstances...

 

Saw someone posted J. Fromm is a bust and I don't get that one. A 5th round "see what happens" pick can't be a bust imo. Just a lucky pick if you hit, otherwise not really expecting much.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

7 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

There are discussions on here that Beane is a terrible drafter, can't judge talent, etc. I am not really inclined to believe this. I think he's a great GM and am happy to have him. 

 

That said, I was thinking about what players are truly busts under his tenure. I think they are: 

 

Cody Ford: though he had a better day yesterday, a high second round pick needs to be a starter every week, not objectively the worst lineman on the team at times. 

 

Harrison Phillips: I'm not sure how much that ACL tear did, but he's been awful. There are multiple videos of him being tossed like a ragdoll yesterday by the Colts' offensive line. 

 

Zack Moss: it's time to write Moss off. He might be a decent goal line back, but he's way too slow to do anything else. He's the running back version of Reggie Ragland. 

 

I don't want to include Epenesa or Oliver here because they HAVE contributed plenty already. Oliver in particular has come on this season; he's had about five sacks called back due to a penalty. My eye is on them, however. 

 

I don't include picks made after round 4 since those are often crapshoots. He's gotten good value in guys like Taron Johnson and Tyler Bass, though. 

 

 

Phillips was 4th rounder Moss a 3rd rounder, per chart below hard to call them busts.  Likely too these numbers are skewed by a handful of low round superstars than play 10 plus years where as it's limited as to how far below average you can go.

 

And also not ready to write off Ford either when you look at how little the guys really played  in the past  two seasons

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Sugar High JA17 said:

Zay Jones 2nd round with the 37th overall pick in the 2017 Draft

2nd round 41st pick was Dalvin Cook RB

 

Cook on the Bills woulda been nice today!

 

Beane wasn't even here when Jones was drafted.

 

 

1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:

I don't think guys in 3rd and later can really ever be considered "busts."  The fact is that you're going to miss on most of those picks.  A guy like Moss is certainly disappointing, but "bust" is way too strong a term.

 

The only person who really qualifies in my opinion is Cody Ford.  Although we're getting close to being able to make a call on Epenesa too. 

 

[Roundybout]

19 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

Phillips was 4th rounder Moss a 3rd rounder, per chart below hard to call them busts.  Likely too these numbers are skewed by a handful of low round superstars than play 10 plus years where as it's limited as to how far below average you can go.

 

And also not ready to write off Ford either when you look at how little the guys really played  in the past  two seasons

 

 

 

 

Beane wasn't even here when Jones was drafted.

 

 

 

 

Both Phillips and Moss were third rounders which is about where I would like to see a definitive regular starter guy. Anything after that is gravy. Just don't see it with Phillips. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Both Phillips and Moss were third rounders which is about where I would like to see a definitive regular starter guy. Anything after that is gravy. Just don't see it with Phillips. 

 

Meant to say 4th season, my thinking was getting close to average length of career.

 

To me the graph shows that once you remove the over achievers that have long starred careers and become the starters, most others that are left are role players that get replaced once on 2nd contract for cheaper and newer models

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

7 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

There are discussions on here that Beane is a terrible drafter, can't judge talent, etc. I am not really inclined to believe this. I think he's a great GM and am happy to have him. 

 

That said, I was thinking about what players are truly busts under his tenure. I think they are: 

 

Cody Ford: though he had a better day yesterday, a high second round pick needs to be a starter every week, not objectively the worst lineman on the team at times. 

 

Harrison Phillips: I'm not sure how much that ACL tear did, but he's been awful. There are multiple videos of him being tossed like a ragdoll yesterday by the Colts' offensive line. 

 

Zack Moss: it's time to write Moss off. He might be a decent goal line back, but he's way too slow to do anything else. He's the running back version of Reggie Ragland. 

 

I don't want to include Epenesa or Oliver here because they HAVE contributed plenty already. Oliver in particular has come on this season; he's had about five sacks called back due to a penalty. My eye is on them, however. 

 

I don't include picks made after round 4 since those are often crapshoots. He's gotten good value in guys like Taron Johnson and Tyler Bass, though. 

 

I can't argue w/ Moss. That dude is the definition of average and underwhelming. Brieda should take his place if he already hasn't yet.