Defence was dominated and Frazier needs to be more aggressive

[LABILLBACKER]

24 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Sometimes you just dont match up well vs a certain team. The titans are one of those teams for us. They’re an extremely physical team and coached to be borderline dirty. They bully us around a little. Not a good matchup. 

Well said and all true. They always get up for us. 

[Teddy KGB]

8 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said:

Recipe for beating Bills is run the ball, play-action.  Imagine if they played Tampa, they would get destroyed.  Tampa has a better offense than the Titans and better D.  Hell, the Titans lost to the JETS!   Bills are not as good as we all thought and it was proven tonight.  Where would you rank the Bills now after this loss?  They were 1 or 2.  I don't think the Titans were a top 10 team.  Offense left some on the table but they scored 31 points!  

Does Tampa have Derrick Henry ?   
 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said:

Recipe for beating Bills is run the ball, play-action.  Imagine if they played Tampa, they would get destroyed.  Tampa has a better offense than the Titans and better D.  Hell, the Titans lost to the JETS!   Bills are not as good as we all thought and it was proven tonight.  Where would you rank the Bills now after this loss?  They were 1 or 2.  I don't think the Titans were a top 10 team.  Offense left some on the table but they scored 31 points!  

 

Aj brown and Julio did not play in that game.

9 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

And we held Tanny to 215 yards passing.

 

I thought the D played fine. Henry is just a beast to stop in the red zone and those little 5-yard runs here and there add up, and then he punches them in. 

 

They couldn't get off the field... they played like crap. Noticeable poor games by Milano and johnson.

[Bubba Gump]

1 minute ago, cDAVIS said:

I didn't notice that at all. I honestly am not sure what you are referencing. That's not a trait of a McDermott team. Tonight was a hell of a game and honestly not getting that 4th and inches was 1 in a 100. Hats off to the Titans. They always play us tough. Josh has a GREAT game and it just wasn't enough.

 

I have season tickets and see how the team is always so jacked up before games. Not sure if it was because of Daboll's situation, but they didn't look the same as they normally do leading up to kickoff. JMO.

[buffblue]

I feel like this was a game where we needed to establish a good working lead and we were never able to achieve that. 

 

The Titans had us coming and going and literally every success they had in the passing game came from the linebackers being sucked up to try to stop Henry. The way to get around that is to get ahead and make Tennessee one dimensional. We failed miserably in that regard

[Big Blitz]

2 plays lost this game.

 

The Henry run.

 

Josh's INT inside our own 20.

 

Take one of those away and we win - the INT imo was the biggest play.   

 

 

We're fine.  They gave us everything they had.   

 

 

Prayers for Knox. 

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, buffblue said:

I feel like this was a game where we needed to establish a good working lead and we were never able to achieve that. 

 

The Titans had us coming and going and literally every success they had in the passing game came from the linebackers being sucked up to try to stop Henry. The way to get around that is to get ahead and make Tennessee one dimensional. We failed miserably in that regard

Yep.  That’s why this loss was on the offense as much as the defense.  Just a sloppy game all around.  There’s no way we should’ve lost that game.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

40 minutes ago, JDubya76 said:

Looking back at the gameplan leaves me still trying to figure out what our defensive scheme was trying to take away. 
 

It couldn’t have been the run game because if it wasn’t for the final whistle, Henry would still be running.

 

Short to intermediate passing? After the first two series it was open all night.

 

I am guessing the defensive scheme was designed to keep the Titans punting unit on the bench. Congratulations, mission accomplished.

 

I acknowledge the "other than THAT Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?" factor in what I'm about to say, but aside from that long TD run where Poyer got wrapped up in a bundle, Henry ran for 67 yds on 19 carries.  That's 3.5 ypc, which for Henry constitutes containment.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

2 plays lost this game.

 

The Henry run.

 

Josh's INT inside our own 20.

 

Take one of those away and we win - the INT imo was the biggest play.   

 

 

We're fine.  They gave us everything they had.   

 

 

Prayers for Knox. 

 

Yep. And buffalo still has a great shot to win with 30 seconds left

[doubledd67]

Let's see where these fictional opinions about the Bills end when the playoffs start in a few months 

[Bob in STL]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

2 plays lost this game.

 

The Henry run.

 

Josh's INT inside our own 20.

 

Take one of those away and we win - the INT imo was the biggest play.   

 

 

We're fine.  They gave us everything they had.   

 

 

Prayers for Knox. 

Wrong! 
 

1. A holding call on a guy 20 yards behind the play which nullified the game winning Kick off return. 
 

2.  Later that drive a failed QB sneak on 4 and 6 inches. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

Zero pass rush, and the middle of the field was wide open all night.  Why was Obada active? What does he bring to the table?

 

Wallace was repeatedly picked on.  

 

Need to get back to playing backup quarterbacks. 

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

If we weren’t going to play for OT, why kick 2 FGs on first two drives? To me the mentality on red zone offense needs to be TDs or nothing.

Coaches need to have feel for the game.  
 

I think McDermott did by going for it.  
 

Your QB just put his body on the line to try and win the game.. came up a half yard short.   You ride with your star QB after that play.  
 

9/10 we convert that.  Perfect storm of left side of the line being blown up AND Allen not getting the sneak off cleanly. 

[Dr.Sack]

Just now, SCBills said:

Coaches need to have feel for the game.  
 

I think McDermott did by going for it.  
 

Your QB just put his body on the line to try and win the game.. came up a half yard short.   You ride with your star QB after that play.  
 

9/10 we convert that.  Perfect storm of left side of the line being blown up AND Allen not getting the sneak off cleanly. 

I don’t mind going for it, I’m saying we needed to make a play earlier and play with more urgency earlier. Case in point Titans tried lateral middle of game. And tried a sellout punt block after our 2nd to last drive. They took chances and we didn’t take enough. Love playing to win calls.

[SCBills]

Haha…honestly this is the best word to describe how I feel too.  
 

Disappointed.  
 

I had already banked 5-1 at the bye.  I thought our defense was for real.  
 

Instead, we get 4-2 and, while over the KC hump, get to worry all year about matching up with “physical” teams like Tennessee and Cleveland.  

[Milanos Milano]

47 minutes ago, QCity said:

Our base D is nickel, we're just not built to stop a power running game.

 

And boy, did it show tonight.

One of the reasons why a healthy Cleveland scares me the most. 

24 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Does Tampa have Derrick Henry ?   
 

 

 

No, but they are balanced enough to give us problems. Balanced teams give the Bills fits. Just like I think we would struggle against a team like Cleveland. 

[Bob in STL]

25 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I feel like this was a game where we needed to establish a good working lead and we were never able to achieve that. 

 

The Titans had us coming and going and literally every success they had in the passing game came from the linebackers being sucked up to try to stop Henry. The way to get around that is to get ahead and make Tennessee one dimensional. We failed miserably in that regard

I agree.  

[Bubba Gump]

I thought Edmunds had some real good plays. He was hit and miss though. Milano seemed to be non-existent all game. Not sure if he is still hampered by the hammy. T. Johnson didn't have a very good game either. The whole D pretty much sucked. Not sure why Epenesa was scratched.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Our defense does not get the QB on the ground.

 

The pass rush almost gets there, but tonight Tannehill was not roughed up. 
 

He wasn’t sacked despite losing his LT.

[streetkings01]

30 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

If we weren’t going to play for OT, why kick 2 FGs on first two drives? To me the mentality on red zone offense needs to be TDs or nothing.

This made my head hurt. You don’t go all or nothing in the 1st quarter of a scoreless games.

[Dr.Sack]

3 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

This made my head hurt. You don’t go all or nothing in the 1st quarter of a scoreless games.

If you are trying to win you always play for TDs. 3 points is not good enough in RZ. 

[buffblue]

24 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Zero pass rush, and the middle of the field was wide open all night.  Why was Obada active? What does he bring to the table?

 

Wallace was repeatedly picked on.  

 

Need to get back to playing backup quarterbacks. 

I believe strongly that we should be looking at a trade to upgrade the interior OL or 2nd CB. This is a championship caliber team, and I for one am ready to push my chips to the middle of the table to fortify our few weaknesses and chase a Lombardi this year. 

 

Admittedly I have no idea who might be available lol

[streetkings01]

1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said:

If you are trying to win you always play for TDs. 3 points is not good enough in RZ. 

Chasing points in the 1st quarter in a 0-0 games makes no sense at all. If we would’ve went for it on 4th down on those drives and not converted you’d be complaining about how stupid is was to not kick the field goals the same way people are complaining that we didn’t kick the field goal to send this game into overtime. The saying is true ……people will only question your decision when it doesn’t work.

[Dr.Sack]

2 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Chasing points in the 1st quarter in a 0-0 games makes no sense at all. If we would’ve went for it on 4th down on those drives and not converted you’d be complaining about how stupid is was to not kick the field goals the same way people are complaining that we didn’t kick the field goal to send this game into overtime. The saying is true ……people will only question your decision when it doesn’t work.

No. I’m of the mindset you don’t punt past your 50 nor do you kick FGs when in the red zone. The hard evidence is in the data. The more aggressive you play, the more you win. Figure we turned one of the first 2 FGs into a TD. Instead of 6-0, it’s 7-0. It’s obvious down 32-34 late we kick a FG to win. The more aggressive you are early the less you need Allen to play human high jumper late. We faltered late because we were chasing points due to lack of aggression earlier in the game. 

[Big Turk]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Until we meet the Titans again in the playoffs…

 

I'd like our chances.

[TtownBillsFan]

54 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

14-3 all the way.  We’ll lose to either the Bucs or the Jets (week 18).

Bucs;  NOT the jerts.

 

This loss sucks, but doesn't change things.  They're a rough match-up.  We won't see them again in the AFC Championship, which is where we'll be.  Sucks to have lost this one, but it's one of those 'learn from it, and move on' games.  At least in my less-than-humble opinions.  We're better than this loss.

[Big Turk]

58 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said:

Recipe for beating Bills is run the ball, play-action.  Imagine if they played Tampa, they would get destroyed.  Tampa has a better offense than the Titans and better D.  Hell, the Titans lost to the JETS!   Bills are not as good as we all thought and it was proven tonight.  Where would you rank the Bills now after this loss?  They were 1 or 2.  I don't think the Titans were a top 10 team.  Offense left some on the table but they scored 31 points!  

 

Can't make these type of statements. It's a matchup league and for whatever reason the Titans seem to match up well against us.

 

Let's not act like the Titans did much to stop us defensively...we had 28 first downs and 417 yards of offense.

 

We will see how TB does. They are a good team but so are we.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Big Turk

[Norcalbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

100%.

Quite honestly it seemed to me that Milano had a bad game.

I usually harp on mostly edmunds but tonight they were both shredded. Seemed like neither wanted to come up and fill a gap head to head with Henry so they played up and tried to bottleneck Henry before he got steam, making the play action for tannehill easy as pie across the middle.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, QCity said:

Our base D is nickel, we're just not built to stop a power running game.

 

And boy, did it show tonight.

Outside of one running play…they pretty much did stop the running game.  It’s the passing conversions that killed the team

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, QCity said:

Our base D is nickel, we're just not built to stop a power running game.

 

And boy, did it show tonight.

Despite that, we had a real chance of winning this game at the end.

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

I very much disagree and hope to prove it when the All-22 comes out.  He was one of the better players for us and made solo tackles when others couldn’t against Henry

Correct

2 hours ago, Mango said:

Edmunds got worked tonight. He got picked on in the second half. Regularly lightly brushed out of plays. 

Really bad take and game tape will prove it

[QCity]

To quote Jay Skurski from the BN - "Please, if you hear someone say that if you “subtract the 76-yard run,” the Bills did a pretty good job against Henry, stage an intervention with that person."

 

I already know that's going to be the most repeated phrase of the next 2 weeks 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2021 by QCity

[JerseyBills]

Woulda been nice to have AJ and Boogie playing tonight 🤦‍♂️

WHERE WAS SIRAN NEAL?

Henry got in McDs and Fraziers head and their personnel and overall coaching was very different than the previous 5 games.. 

He'll learn.

This game will be a blessing in disguise 

[MJS]

4 hours ago, Mango said:

Edmunds got worked tonight. He got picked on in the second half. Regularly lightly brushed out of plays. 

This is just nonsense. Edmunds had a good game. I seriously do not know what you people are watching.

[SydneyBillsFan]

Fair to say our D laid an egg tonight.

 

Going to be a miserable 2 weeks.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, QCity said:

 

I didn't hear that narrative. How many players from this D were even on the team when we played them 3 games ago?

 

Most of them.

[GunnerBill]

I didn't love some of the calls from Leslie last night. The run blitz that resulted in the long TD run (yes Poyer was held) wasn't a call I loved. 4th quarter when we blitzed Milano and dropped Obada on a 3rd down that felt like a call you don't make with Obada in the game. 

 

As for the lack of pressure.... we struggled to get Tennessee into a the dropback game. That is when you can get to them. We did the first two drives and we nearly got to him twice. After that they called a nice game and we didn't win on 1st down enough. I get it a lot of fans will want more blitzing. Fans almost always think blitzing is the answer. I am not sure how much difference it would have made last night. The problem was not downs where we knew they were passing. It was downs where we were trying to play both the pass and the run.

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

If you are trying to win you always play for TDs. 3 points is not good enough in RZ. 

At that point in the game we didn't know our defense was helpless to stop this Titans offense.  You take the points.

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

End of the day the Bills Offence scored enough to win this game and this game was lost because our defence could not get off the field in the second half and that started in the 2nd quarter.  Frazier called a lousy game and we got zero pressure on a QB and team that was giving up sacks.  

 

 

Obviously false.

 

Bad Red Zone play calling in the 1st half (plenty of FGs!) and a bad choice to end the game are why they lost the game.  Bills are tied for the league lead with 15 FG attempted and over 1/2 are under 30 yards!  They have kicked 8 FG within that range--no other team has more than 5.

[colin]

sometimes it strikes me that our D generally plays to defend the whole field, which ends up meaning we ask our LBs or DBs to do the next to impossible covering guys all over the place, and if our front 4 don't get home it is impossible.

 

contrast that with what both teams who beat us did, they sold out to make allen running non viable, muddled up pressure and blitzes and disguises to make his job hard, and rolled the dice on the back end which allowed for some big busted plays.

 

my biggest issue with this is it makes us kinda vanilla and predictable, and we basically forced next to no punts all day vs a team missing olinemen with the most sacked qb in the nfl.