Can't wait until the Bills offense finally starts clicking

[HappyDays]

For the offense to get back to the elite level they played at last year we need to get the RBs involved in the passing game. The way defenses are playing us we should be able to pull off RB screens and passes out of the backfield with ease. The problem is Singletary and Moss have iffy hands and our line doesn't block well on screens. To compensate I am fine with Allen running more. We have to find a way to make defenses think twice about dropping everyone deep. I thought KC was a good step forward in that regard, but we stalled out for a while there in the 3rd quarter which is a legitimate concern against an awful defense.

[Greg S]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Hmmmnnnn...think I'd call a +115 point differential over the past four games "outright dominant."

 

Good point. But if the offense hasn't clicked yet then think of how much better it can still get.

[John from Riverside]

Production is just coming from different places running backs are better we have the best tight end in league

[Rubes]

19 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Production is just coming from different places running backs are better we have the best tight end in league

 

Say it again, brother!

[NickelCity]

I don't know that I'd describe individual performances the same way the OP did, but there's a lot of meat left on the bone by this offense. Which is kind of crazy and exciting.

 

[Magox]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They had one dominating performance vs. Washington and played well vs. KC.  I thought too vs. KC they stumbled in the third quarter (remember back when that was an issue?), and frankly were very good, but not at their best.

 

I think Diggs is lagging behind last year, Beasley is an enigma & Davis maybe playing injured.  Sanders & Knox have been good.  

 

Josh was mediocre (or bad) vs. Pitt, played so so vs. Miami and average vs. Houston.  

 

I know the expectations are high and funny that we can nitpick, but I'm waiting for a game like those last year vs. Seattle, Denver or SF.

 

Forecast Monday is great vs. Tennessee and want to see an air show...... 

Average vs. Houston?

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said:

Some of you crazies on this board need to do basic math and temper your expectations. Not every player on offense can have a great week every week.

 

Below is a very timid layout of what stats would make each player have a 'good week.'

 

Allen-300 yrd and 3 TD

Singletary/Moss- 60+ yards each 2 TDs

Diggs- 100 yards 1 TD at least

Sanders- 80 yards 1 TD

Beasley- 8 catches 80 yards

Knox- 80 yards 1 TD

Davis- 50 yards 1 TD

 

Do the math unless Allen throws for 400 yards and spreads it out to only the 4 WRs /TE perfectly and doesn't throw to any RBs will each player hit that yardage. Furthermore the team would have to score 6 TDs a game, as well as perfectly spread out again, but then we would be seeing threads of 'Whats up with Bass'

 

 

 

 

 

From a straight-math perspective, yeah we're doing fine!  But my eyeball and gut testometers see an offense that's still a bit disjointed... kinda glugging and spurting and out-talenting its way to victory. 
 

Barring major injuries, I don't think we've seen the best yet. 
 

I'd maybe call it 'controlled chaos' to this point. 
 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by BringMetheHeadofLeonLett

[BearNorth]

I think our four toughest remaining games are TB, NO, TEN, and CAR. Panthers still have players who played for McD and were signed by Beane.  Gilmore may be active by then and will be a tough matchup for Diggs.  Rest of schedule is basically stay healthy and focused, one game at a time.  The TB/Carolina week could be tough if they flex us to Saturday. 

[MrSarcasm]

13 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

From a straight-math perspective, yeah we're doing fine!  But my eyeball and gut testometers see an offense that's still a bit disjointed... 

 

 

So then what numbers would a nondisjointed offense produce? I would assume better but to what degree?

 

People on this board just can't relax and be happy with what is going on. It's the equivalent of throwing out a stack of hundred dollar bills because you found a fifty in there.

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said:

So then what numbers would a nondisjointed offense produce? I would assume better but to what degree?

 

People on this board just can't relax and be happy with what is going on. It's the equivalent of throwing out a stack of hundred dollar bills because you found a fifty in there.

The numbers are great, fine, plenty... and I don't expect us to score on every drive.  But the team doesn't look smooth and gelled from play-to-play.  Maybe think back to how a Brett Favre got his chunk plays- he was generally operating a controlled environment, while we are getting chunks from defensive breakdowns due to Josh bouncing around like a pinball.  It's working, but not a well-oiled machine.  Like I said, it's a feel thing vs. straight math.  

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I know about the wind & the raid, but they sputtered opening day and last year obliterated Miami through the air.  Josh was okay that game, as was the offense and yep a 35-0 shut out.  But then I'd say look at what others have done vs. Miami (particularly Tampa Bay).

 

Pitt really ground them to a halt.

 

The offense has been very good, but nowhere near their best so far.  

 

Yes nitpicking, but I see significant room for improvement & as for the defense, not sure they could be playing any better

Quit while you’re WAY behind, Dude.

[Sugar High JA17]

The Bills have been really good lately, just think about JA17 first 5 games as a rookie & how much he improved. We should all feel blessed to have this excitement for our team

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Quit while you’re WAY behind, Dude.

You really seem to have an issue.  Others agree.  I stated I am "nitpicking", but they have been no where near the efficiency they were last year vs. Mia X 2, Seattle, SF, NE (Monday Night) & Denver. 

 

Yes Houston was rain and he played well......

 

As for KC & the deep balls and commentary that is part of the reason he racked up yards.  He completed all but one of them.

 

Frankly the offense has been fine, then team is 4-1, but yep want to see 2020 Diggs for a starter and 375+ yards passing.......

Edited October 14, 2021 by Billsfan1972

[Sharky7337]

Unfortunately s lot of people are going to give you crap when you are correct. Josh hasn't played as well numbers wise, and is currently ranked behind kirk cousins in passing.

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Quit while you’re WAY behind, Dude.

He is correct though. If people take off their Homer glasses.

 

Maybe too much time at the kiddee table topics with pb and j ratios? 

Edited October 14, 2021 by Sharky7337

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I know about the wind & the raid, but they sputtered opening day and last year obliterated Miami through the air.  Josh was okay that game, as was the offense and yep a 35-0 shut out.  But then I'd say look at what others have done vs. Miami (particularly Tampa Bay).

 

Pitt really ground them to a halt.

 

The offense has been very good, but nowhere near their best so far.  

 

Yes nitpicking, but I see significant room for improvement & as for the defense, not sure they could be playing any better

 

I understand what you saying and I can see your point.  One thing though (for you and everyone else) please can we stop with the Pittsburgh thing.

It was opening week and had a lot of "one off issues".  Comparing the O from the last couple weeks to that game is illogical.

 

One thing you might want to consider is what have the O game plans been?  What is Daboll trying to add to the book?  None of us fans know

what the end game is on all of this.  Last year the Bills worked on the air raid system and it was outstanding (most of the time).  I got no problems

with them working other systems into the plan during the season.  It's all going to come down to the playoffs and they will need multiple schemes

to beat those teams.

IMO. 

[Sharky7337]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

My Mind Boggles. 

Racking up 35, 43, 40, and 38 points isn't enough for you? 

40 points vs the Texans and 35 vs Miami isn't dominating?

 

How do you define "dominating?"

I think we haven't seen many sustained drives. And when defenses play to take away the big play that is what we are going to need.

 

We have been hitting on big chunk plays which is awesome!

 

But we haven't been anywhere near as consistent as last year. 

 

I'm glad we are trying to not be one dimensional. 

 

I think we are not close to unlocking our full potential. 

 

Many times in the kc game even huge chunk plays or turnovers went for no points.

[SinceThe70s]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

My Mind Boggles. 

Racking up 35, 43, 40, and 38 points isn't enough for you? 

40 points vs the Texans and 35 vs Miami isn't dominating?

 

How do you define "dominating?"

 

Our opponents should all look like Bishop Sycamore. Nothing less will suffice.

[Freddie's Dead]

The Bills offense is clicking like a mofo.

[Rockinon]

The offense is just getting warmed up. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You really seem to have an issue.  Others agree.  I stated I am "nitpicking", but they have been no where near the efficiency they were last year vs. Mia X 2, Seattle, SF, NE (Monday Night) & Denver. 

 

Yes Houston was rain and he played well......

 

As for KC & the deep balls and commentary that is part of the reason he racked up yards.  He completed all but one of them.

 

Frankly the offense has been fine, then team is 4-1, but yep want to see 2020 Diggs for a starter and 375+ yards passing.......

There’s 31 other teams who may appreciate your criticism. You don’t have to be here..

[ndirish1978]

The offense is doing just fine, but I agree it's not firing on all cylinders - too many 3 and outs, too many slightly misplaced balls or drops, too much pressure conceded on the edges. I trust them to clean up the little mistakes and get it going full throttle. When the offense gets going full throttle this team will be terrifying. I'm not saying we're playing poorly, I just believe strongly that we can be better than what we've been thus far.

[warrior9]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You really seem to have an issue.  Others agree.  I stated I am "nitpicking", but they have been no where near the efficiency they were last year vs. Mia X 2, Seattle, SF, NE (Monday Night) & Denver. 

 

Yes Houston was rain and he played well......

 

As for KC & the deep balls and commentary that is part of the reason he racked up yards.  He completed all but one of them.

 

Frankly the offense has been fine, then team is 4-1, but yep want to see 2020 Diggs for a starter and 375+ yards passing.......

You must be really fun to around at parties. Does putting your shoes on make you upset?

 

Let's try and help you out: You probably won't see the numbers of 2020 Diggs ever again, even though he's a better player. What you will see if the emergence of Dawson Knox and Emmanuel Sanders BECAUSE of him. Emmanuel Sanders has been so good for us.... why? Not only is he a pro bowl player but Diggs causes the other team to shade a safety to his side. It's this weird thing called being good and having options. He's averaging 75 yards a game down from 95 which is 1 catch a game, essentially. 

 

Diggs is fine, our offense is number 1 in the league and we are tracking towards a historic season.... how the hell did some of you make it through the drought? 

[Ralonzo]

5 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

Amazing that we've face-stomped four teams in a row with two huge shut-outs and have the largest point differential by a large margin, and we're still looking for us to obliterate someone?

 

something like 41-3 at halftime maybe?

[BBills_88]

Once they start clicking, I hope it last for the next 50 games. 

[Nextmanup]

7 hours ago, Rockinon said:

I've watched every game so far and it does seem like the offense, with a newly revived rushing attack and how about Dawson Knox, is on the verge of really busting out. Some team is going to absolutely be obliterated soon. Maybe this weekend.

It's funny that we have won the games we have won and by those scores....and yet we are still waiting for the team to really bust out.

 

I mean, we beat Miami 35-0 and I still thought there was a lot to be unhappy about in that game--lots of stuff to work on and fix as McDermott pointed out in his post-game PC.

 

If and when we put it together, you're going to see a SB winning team.

 

Now that we passed the KC test so well, I can't wait to see what we do against Tampa.

 

 

[Dopey]

They will put it all together in front of a Monday night audience.

Bills 73

Titans 13

[AuntieEm]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the DVOA rankings has them 12th or so in the league which seems about right…. Agree with your post. They haven’t clicked like they did last year but they’ve been more than fine thanks for a much improved defense to this point…. And their running game is much better. 
 

Davis has been a non factor after a really solid rookie season. 

 

    I rather the defense has the rest that the secondary needs so letting the offense just plod a bit to give the d rest. Dl we got enough to rotate without a long rest,  secondary isn't as deep though cupboard isn't bare.  Josh can make the splash plays when needs to but enjoys watching his defense play lights out best seats in house right on the sideline. 

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You really seem to have an issue.  Others agree.  I stated I am "nitpicking", but they have been no where near the efficiency they were last year vs. Mia X 2, Seattle, SF, NE (Monday Night) & Denver. 

 

Yes Houston was rain and he played well......

 

As for KC & the deep balls and commentary that is part of the reason he racked up yards.  He completed all but one of them.

 

Frankly the offense has been fine, then team is 4-1, but yep want to see 2020 Diggs for a starter and 375+ yards passing.......

 

I agree to a certain extent.  Josh hasn't been totally on in the short to intermediate stuff.  Some dropped balls and some non interference calls account for some of those.  Expecting to see 2020 Diggs is not realistic unless its the gameplan.  He is too known now and also there are too many real targets now.  The ball is going to be spread around a lot more.  Which to me is a good thing.  The best offenses IMO are ones that spread the ball and don't have just that one guy.

 

Now you are moving your goal post from 300 yards passing to 375.  While that may happen in a game its not realistic to ask for.  I think its kind of ridiculous to expect.  Especially since the run game is going to happen more.  They are correcting a problem with our last seasons post season offense.

Edited October 15, 2021 by Scott7975

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

13 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the DVOA rankings has them 12th or so in the league which seems about right…. Agree with your post. They haven’t clicked like they did last year but they’ve been more than fine thanks for a much improved defense to this point…. And their running game is much better. 
 

Davis has been a non factor after a really solid rookie season. 

 

Last year, Davis played much more than they expected due to Brown being out hurt.  This year with Sanders play, Davis just isn't needed that much.  It also seems they also have been going with 4 WR less than lat year so again reduces his snap count.

[Billsfan1972]

11 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I agree to a certain extent.  Josh hasn't been totally on in the short to intermediate stuff.  Some dropped balls and some non interference calls account for some of those.  Expecting to see 2020 Diggs is not realistic unless its the gameplan.  He is too known now and also there are too many real targets now.  The ball is going to be spread around a lot more.  Which to me is a good thing.  The best offenses IMO are ones that spread the ball and don't have just that one guy.

 

Now you are moving your goal post from 300 yards passing to 375.  While that may happen in a game its not realistic to ask for.  I think its kind of ridiculous to expect.  Especially since the run game is going to happen more.  They are correcting a problem with our last seasons post season offense.

300 was unattainable for the Bills for 3 years (no other team did that), so yep I've moved the bar, because 300 is nothing unusual nowadays.  There have been 46 through 5 weeks (or 9.2/wk).  Already 13 over the 375 mark I threw out there.  

 

I used 375 as Josh did it 4X's last year.  

 

As stated I just think there is lot's of room for the passing game to improve & don't think it is at their 2020 level yet. 

[Virgil]

I just want to know what happened to the deep crossing routes.  They were such a big hit for us last year and you could make a two hour movie of just Bills receiver toe taps on the sideline.  I don't get it.

[warrior9]

4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I just want to know what happened to the deep crossing routes.  They were such a big hit for us last year and you could make a two hour movie of just Bills receiver toe taps on the sideline.  I don't get it.

I think that stuff is coming. 

Teams are also playing a lot more Man2. It'll open up game by game... you may see a ton of it this week and then not again for another 3. That's the one way I admire Daboll. His game plans vary drastically from week to week.

What he did last week with Moss was masterful. 

[Billsfan1972]

38 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

I think that stuff is coming. 

Teams are also playing a lot more Man2. It'll open up game by game... you may see a ton of it this week and then not again for another 3. That's the one way I admire Daboll. His game plans vary drastically from week to week.

What he did last week with Moss was masterful. 

Except Moss did drop one (as did Singletary).  

 

As per the thread, not overly worried, just an observation that I think the offense has been a little off (vs. 2020).

 

Anyone else watch the first half of Tampa/Phil last night & the easy passes Brady had?

[warrior9]

54 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Except Moss did drop one (as did Singletary).  

 

As per the thread, not overly worried, just an observation that I think the offense has been a little off (vs. 2020).

 

Anyone else watch the first half of Tampa/Phil last night & the easy passes Brady had?

Yeah I watched him throw it to RB's out of the backfield for 20 years (excluding the years he had Moss)

[Billsfan1972]

26 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Yeah I watched him throw it to RB's out of the backfield for 20 years (excluding the years he had Moss)

And 200 yards in that first half.  Open receivers and pretty easy passes.  Regardless Tampa has an offense taking advantage of his skills.

 

On the other hand Hurts looked bad.

 

[Jerome007]

On 10/14/2021 at 9:47 AM, Doc said:

The 3rd quarter could have been the rain delay...and the rain.  But I agree that this offense still hasn't played their best ball yet.

Yep. Which shows how much the potential is insane,

 

Bad games, injuries, many factors can derail in one game, so reaching, let alone winning, the Superbowl is not given at all. But Bills are so well balanced, so talented including depth, the odds of them faltering in all phases in one game at a critical game are slim. Awesome!

[skibum]

Highest scoring team in the league and we're talking about how the offense isn't good enough?

[ganesh]

On 10/14/2021 at 7:03 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

I would say Allen played well against the Texans.  It was raining 80% of the game.

Absolutely

[Fan in Chicago]

On 10/14/2021 at 9:55 AM, Rubes said:

 

Amazing that we've face-stomped four teams in a row with two huge shut-outs and have the largest point differential by a large margin, and we're still looking for us to obliterate someone?

 

While we have absolutely blown out 4 opponents, I still want more of a differential against the Pats**. I want Belichick smashing phones, headphones, clipboards and his son. I want pretty boy Jones' uniform full of grass and mud. 

[billsfan89]

The offense is adjusting and not just running things back and just do the same thing. The league adjusts so adjust your offense before teams figure you out. Knox having a larger role, the running game and Sanders are being implemented into the offense and you kind of get the feeling that by mid-November the offense is going to have it all put together. The offense now has so many different ways it can go besides split them out four wide and have the WR's and Allen play pitch and catch. The team can run the ball more consistently and they have a tight end that can play well in the passing game. They are still playing very good offense but just working out the rough edges.