Can't wait until the Bills offense finally starts clicking

[Billsfan1972]

They had one dominating performance vs. Washington and played well vs. KC.  I thought too vs. KC they stumbled in the third quarter (remember back when that was an issue?), and frankly were very good, but not at their best.

 

I think Diggs is lagging behind last year, Beasley is an enigma & Davis maybe playing injured.  Sanders & Knox have been good.  

 

Josh was mediocre (or bad) vs. Pitt, played so so vs. Miami and average vs. Houston.  

 

I know the expectations are high and funny that we can nitpick, but I'm waiting for a game like those last year vs. Seattle, Denver or SF.

 

Forecast Monday is great vs. Tennessee and want to see an air show...... 

[Greg S]

The defense this year is way better than last year so the offense doesn't have to reach last year's level. If they do then watch out. This team will be outright dominant.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Davis has been a non factor after a really solid rookie season. 

Sanders is getting his targets. With Smoke injured, he was our #3 and got more snaps.  With 3WR on the field, it's been Sanders, Beasley, Diggs. With the emergence of Knox (thank you TE academy and school of catching) there is no need for a 4th WR on the field, especially since Knox is a dual threat to stay and block.  The other thing is that Moss has been a good safety valve and there haven't been as many 3rd and long's where we need the Davis style toe touch grab on a 10-15 yd out. 

 

Sanders is a lot better at finding the seams in the defense and getting separation. With Josh's pinpoint accuracy the need for the contested catch is not as relevant as last year. Daboll also seems to be scheming WR's open and having 3 great route runners like Sanders, Beasley and Diggs makes it so difficult to cover. 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by TampaBillsJunkie

[Royale with Cheese]

I would say Allen played well against the Texans.  It was raining 80% of the game.

[BigBuff423]

I don't agree with OP's take and mainly because I don't think the focus is on scoring a bunch of points and trying to outlast the other team's Offense. I think the focus is on a better balance. Balance isn't necessarily 50/50 Run-Pass, but balance is in the efficacy of the running game in support of the obvious passing game based Offense Daboll runs. So, the numbers will look different than they did last year. 

 

For example, when Sal Capaccio shares his weekly updates of rankings by the Bills Offense and Defense, it can appear the Offense isn't quite producing because it so often has to do with yards, yards per play, etc. But the Defense is SOOOOO good that the Offense is often going a shorter distance and on fewer downs, so the T.O.P. might be down or the total yards might be less, but the efficiency shared between Offense-Defense-Special Teams brings a coalesced unit together that doesn't have huge numbers except when you consider the most important part of any team evaluation in sports: scoring. Highest scoring Offense with the lowest scoring Defense. 

 

I don't know if the Bills can sustain that kind of statistical domination over 17 games, but the fact we're just shy of 1/3 of the way through the season suggests, it's more than just a blip on the radar of this team's greatness.

[wjag]

22 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They had one dominating performance vs. Washington and played well vs. KC.  I thought too vs. KC they stumbled in the third quarter (remember back when that was an issue?), and frankly were very good, but not at their best.

 

I think Diggs is lagging behind last year, Beasley is an enigma & Davis maybe playing injured.  Sanders & Knox have been good.  

 

 

 

I think what you are seeing is a team game.  Last year the offense went through Diggs and Beasley with some Davis sprinkled in,

 

This year it goes through Diggs, Beasley, Davis, Sanders, Knox and Moss.  With each passing game we look more and more like the NE Patriots during their peak years.  Each week is a different game plan that attacks the defense's style of play and weakness.  No one is getting 150+ targets this year.  Add in the emergence of somewhat of a run game and that too changes the Air Allen-Diggs show from last year..  

 

But I do agree with your point.  We are still waiting for that Bills-v-SF type game from last year.  It's coming and I strongly suspect we will see it this week.

[Rockinon]

I've watched every game so far and it does seem like the offense, with a newly revived rushing attack and how about Dawson Knox, is on the verge of really busting out. Some team is going to absolutely be obliterated soon. Maybe this weekend.

[TH3]

32 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They had one dominating performance vs. Washington and played well vs. KC.  I thought too vs. KC they stumbled in the third quarter (remember back when that was an issue?), and frankly were very good, but not at their best.

 

I think Diggs is lagging behind last year, Beasley is an enigma & Davis maybe playing injured.  Sanders & Knox have been good.  

 

Josh was mediocre (or bad) vs. Pitt, played so so vs. Miami and average vs. Houston.  

 

I know the expectations are high and funny that we can nitpick, but I'm waiting for a game like those last year vs. Seattle, Denver or SF.

 

Forecast Monday is great vs. Tennessee and want to see an air show...... 

They have the number 1 scoring offense....and they aren't clicking? Not satisfied? 

SMH

 

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, Rockinon said:

I've watched every game so far and it does seem like the offense, with a newly revived rushing attack and how about Dawson Knox, is on the verge of really busting out. Some team is going to absolutely be obliterated soon. Maybe this weekend.

 

Please let it be against the Jets. Watching that from MetLife on Nov 14 would be sweet.

[Doc]

The 3rd quarter could have been the rain delay...and the rain.  But I agree that this offense still hasn't played their best ball yet.

[TPS]

37 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They had one dominating performance vs. Washington and played well vs. KC.  I thought too vs. KC they stumbled in the third quarter (remember back when that was an issue?), and frankly were very good, but not at their best.

 

I think Diggs is lagging behind last year, Beasley is an enigma & Davis maybe playing injured.  Sanders & Knox have been good.  

 

Josh was mediocre (or bad) vs. Pitt, played so so vs. Miami and average vs. Houston.  

 

I know the expectations are high and funny that we can nitpick, but I'm waiting for a game like those last year vs. Seattle, Denver or SF.

 

Forecast Monday is great vs. Tennessee and want to see an air show...... 

I'm sure the "stumble" in the third quarter had as much to do with KC adjusting to the Bills O which they kept under wraps until that game (those bunch formations with 2 TE often).  Then it looked like Dabol adjusted to their pressure.  I do agree, though, they can get better.

[Doc]

I'm hoping Daboll has another new offense for the Titans.

[atlbillsfan1975]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the DVOA rankings has them 12th or so in the league which seems about right…. Agree with your post. They haven’t clicked like they did last year but they’ve been more than fine thanks for a much improved defense to this point…. And their running game is much better. 
 

Davis has been a non factor after a really solid rookie season. 

Someone will get hurt probably and Davis will be able to step in. Nice having a deep roster. 

[Dan]

We’ve scored over 35 points how many weeks in a row?  We’ve beaten a team 40 to nothing?  And yet we’re still waiting for the offense to get it together or for them to obliterate some team?   
 

If we’re not happy with double digit wins and scoring 4-5 touch downs per game, then I’m afraid we’ll never be happy.    They don’t have to score on every drive to be successful.  They don’t need players to lead the league in their respective categories to be successful.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

I'm hoping Daboll has another new offense for the Titans.

With how banged up they are I don’t think it will be needed. Maybe Daboll will throw a few wrinkles in like he did with Houston and the 2 TE sets. This almost felt like practice for using it against KC. 

[Greg S]

4-1....172 points scored.....64 given up. 

 

Averaging 34.4 points a game. Giving up an average of 12.8 points a game. This is playing at an Alabama level in the NFL.

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

With how banged up they are I don’t think it will be needed. Maybe Daboll will throw a few wrinkles in like he did with Houston and the 2 TE sets. This almost felt like practice for using it against KC. 

 

Maybe.  But this and the Bucs games are the 2 biggest tests left.  

[Chandler#81]

13 minutes ago, Dan said:

We’ve scored over 35 points how many weeks in a row?  We’ve beaten a team 40 to nothing?  And yet we’re still waiting for the offense to get it together or for them to obliterate some team?   
 

If we’re not happy with double digit wins and scoring 4-5 touch downs per game, then I’m afraid we’ll never be happy.    They don’t have to score on every drive to be successful.  They don’t need players to lead the league in their respective categories to be successful.

WE are. SOME people aren’t…..

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Maybe.  But this and the Bucs games are the 2 biggest tests left.  

 

I would add turkey day against NO as well.

[Doc]

Just now, Greg S said:

I would add turkey day against NO as well.

 

I'm not so worried about NO.

[Greg S]

Just now, Doc said:

 

I'm not so worried about NO.

 

Playing at there place can be tough. Although Brees isn't there anymore Winston is capable of playing well. I would put NO right up there with TEN. Both are behind TB which is definitely the toughest game left on the schedule.

[RoyBatty is alive]

53 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the DVOA rankings has them 12th or so in the league which seems about right…. Agree with your post. They haven’t clicked like they did last year but they’ve been more than fine thanks for a much improved defense to this point…. And their running game is much better. 
 

Davis has been a non factor after a really solid rookie season. 

Didn't Davis drop a TD, it was a difficult catch but one normally made in the NFL

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They had one dominating performance vs. Washington and played well vs. KC.  I thought too vs. KC they stumbled in the third quarter (remember back when that was an issue?), and frankly were very good, but not at their best.

 

I think Diggs is lagging behind last year, Beasley is an enigma & Davis maybe playing injured.  Sanders & Knox have been good.  

 

Josh was mediocre (or bad) vs. Pitt, played so so vs. Miami and average vs. Houston.  

 

I know the expectations are high and funny that we can nitpick, but I'm waiting for a game like those last year vs. Seattle, Denver or SF.

 

Forecast Monday is great vs. Tennessee and want to see an air show...... 

 

My Mind Boggles. 

Racking up 35, 43, 40, and 38 points isn't enough for you? 

40 points vs the Texans and 35 vs Miami isn't dominating?

 

How do you define "dominating?"

[chris heff]

Last year it took a few games for the offense to start clicking, I think it was after the Titans loss. Maybe it was because of no training camp and no preseason, maybe not. I just have a feeling that the offense is going to get into that same groove, when that happens look out.

[34-78-83]

I’m just not going to worry about the offense that has averaged over 30 per game and had to play in 30mph gusts, 25 mph gusts and 2 torrential rain storms in 4 of its 5 games played.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

38 minutes ago, TH3 said:

They have the number 1 scoring offense....and they aren't clicking? Not satisfied? 

SMH

 

Lol people forget that half our games have been in bad weather/high winds and our starters have sat out 2 or 3 quarters so far because we were blowing the other team out.  I think we're better than last year offensively 

37 minutes ago, Doc said:

The 3rd quarter could have been the rain delay...and the rain.  But I agree that this offense still hasn't played their best ball yet.

Weren't we notoriously bad in third quarters last year lol not to mention one missed third down conversion that quarter was diggs getting held like crazy 

[Don Otreply]

41 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

I don't agree with OP's take and mainly because I don't think the focus is on scoring a bunch of points and trying to outlast the other team's Offense. I think the focus is on a better balance. Balance isn't necessarily 50/50 Run-Pass, but balance is in the efficacy of the running game in support of the obvious passing game based Offense Daboll runs. So, the numbers will look different than they did last year. 

 

For example, when Sal Capaccio shares his weekly updates of rankings by the Bills Offense and Defense, it can appear the Offense isn't quite producing because it so often has to do with yards, yards per play, etc. But the Defense is SOOOOO good that the Offense is often going a shorter distance and on fewer downs, so the T.O.P. might be down or the total yards might be less, but the efficiency shared between Offense-Defense-Special Teams brings a coalesced unit together that doesn't have huge numbers except when you consider the most important part of any team evaluation in sports: scoring. Highest scoring Offense with the lowest scoring Defense. 

 

I don't know if the Bills can sustain that kind of statistical domination over 17 games, but the fact we're just shy of 1/3 of the way through the season suggests, it's more than just a blip on the radar of this team's greatness.

This,^^^
 

also teams have a year plus of tape on Josh and Dabol’s offensive tendencies, so changing things up is a requirement if we are to keep our opponents on their heels as it were, and that’s exactly what we are doing, ya can’t just do the same stuff every single game and not expect your opponents to catch on, and counter what your doing. Will we see “air raid” games? Yup, sure will, but not in every game like last season.  In this case change is good, 😁👍

 

Go Bills!!!

[Billsfan1972]

I know about the wind & the raid, but they sputtered opening day and last year obliterated Miami through the air.  Josh was okay that game, as was the offense and yep a 35-0 shut out.  But then I'd say look at what others have done vs. Miami (particularly Tampa Bay).

 

Pitt really ground them to a halt.

 

The offense has been very good, but nowhere near their best so far.  

 

Yes nitpicking, but I see significant room for improvement & as for the defense, not sure they could be playing any better

[ProcessAccepted]

I'm good with the mode they are in now for a bit longer. The Defense is carrying their share of the load and we are still putting up a lot of points.

 

I'd like to offense to peak playoff time. Seen too many teams fall off as the season progresses.

[MrSarcasm]

Some of you crazies on this board need to do basic math and temper your expectations. Not every player on offense can have a great week every week.

 

Below is a very timid layout of what stats would make each player have a 'good week.'

 

Allen-300 yrd and 3 TD

Singletary/Moss- 60+ yards each 2 TDs

Diggs- 100 yards 1 TD at least

Sanders- 80 yards 1 TD

Beasley- 8 catches 80 yards

Knox- 80 yards 1 TD

Davis- 50 yards 1 TD

 

Do the math unless Allen throws for 400 yards and spreads it out to only the 4 WRs /TE perfectly and doesn't throw to any RBs will each player hit that yardage. Furthermore the team would have to score 6 TDs a game, as well as perfectly spread out again, but then we would be seeing threads of 'Whats up with Bass'

 

 

 

 

 

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, Rockinon said:

I've watched every game so far and it does seem like the offense, with a newly revived rushing attack and how about Dawson Knox, is on the verge of really busting out. Some team is going to absolutely be obliterated soon. Maybe this weekend.

 

Amazing that we've face-stomped four teams in a row with two huge shut-outs and have the largest point differential by a large margin, and we're still looking for us to obliterate someone?

 

[uninja]

43 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Playing at there place can be tough. Although Brees isn't there anymore Winston is capable of playing well. I would put NO right up there with TEN. Both are behind TB which is definitely the toughest game left on the schedule.

 

NO is an absolute enigma of a team, a big number of their starters are on IR or suspended due to various disciplinary issues. The NO team we're seeing right now is basically Payton winning by making chicken salad with beaks and gizzards. The NO team the Bills will likely face in the end of November will look quite different on offense and defense than the NO team you see now. They also seem to blow hot/cold, winning decisively against teams that are much better than them on paper and then inexplicably dropping the next game against a substandard opponent.

 

I frankly have no idea what to expect and Sean Payton (despite having one of the most punchable faces in football) is a great coach who really maximizes what he has to work with. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was one of those 'huh?!' losses the Bills had this season.

[Sugar High JA17]

Who needs offense when the teams Turnover margin is +11 through 5 games

[Homey D. Clown]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They had one dominating performance vs. Washington and played well vs. KC.  I thought too vs. KC they stumbled in the third quarter (remember back when that was an issue?), and frankly were very good, but not at their best.

 

I think Diggs is lagging behind last year, Beasley is an enigma & Davis maybe playing injured.  Sanders & Knox have been good.  

 

Josh was mediocre (or bad) vs. Pitt, played so so vs. Miami and average vs. Houston.  

 

I know the expectations are high and funny that we can nitpick, but I'm waiting for a game like those last year vs. Seattle, Denver or SF.

 

Forecast Monday is great vs. Tennessee and want to see an air show...... 

 

I find it quite surprising that more people don't see this, especially the network talking heads.  Yes, these wins have been decisive, but the offense does not seem to have the same consistency, and Allen's completion percentage so far has been down.  Can't dismiss that.  I'm not saying Josh is not playing great, I think he os, but that completion percentage has to contribute to the offense slowing down.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Homey D. Clown said:

 

I find it quite surprising that more people don't see this, especially the network talking heads.  Yes, these wins have been decisive, but the offense does not seem to have the same consistency, and Allen's completion percentage so far has been down.  Can't dismiss that.  I'm not saying Josh is not playing great, I think he os, but that completion percentage has to contribute to the offense slowing down.

Seems to me the fan base is very aware. Josh started slow, the oline was a hot mess early, and there have been some bad weather games that I don't think are conducive to optimum passing stats. KC game, we went for big chunk plays and it worked. You can have a lower completion percentage when you're getting over 20 yards a completion (ridiculous). McD wants the team to build towards peaking in the playoffs (I'm sure you know.)

 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

They have the number 1 scoring offense....and they aren't clicking? Not satisfied? 

SMH

 

I dunno that the post was as much about unsatisfied, as it was pointing out that we're winning decisively without shifting past 4th gear. Atleast that's how I took it.

 

There's a game down the road where we'll need that extra gear on offense, even if its not till the playoffs. I'd rather have it and not need it, than vice versa. Oddly enough the team I see needing it against the most is LAC, that offense is humming along. Could even be a home AFCCG

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They had one dominating performance vs. Washington and played well vs. KC.  I thought too vs. KC they stumbled in the third quarter (remember back when that was an issue?), and frankly were very good, but not at their best.

 

I think Diggs is lagging behind last year, Beasley is an enigma & Davis maybe playing injured.  Sanders & Knox have been good.  

 

Josh was mediocre (or bad) vs. Pitt, played so so vs. Miami and average vs. Houston.  

 

I know the expectations are high and funny that we can nitpick, but I'm waiting for a game like those last year vs. Seattle, Denver or SF.

 

Forecast Monday is great vs. Tennessee and want to see an air show...... 

 

Agreed. A lot of fans are just looking at the point and yardage totals and think the offense must be clicking. It is clicking in the sense of getting chunk plays, but don’t think they are even close to their median, let alone ceiling. That’s why you hear Josh being disappointed and want to “clean stuff up”— even after last game.

 

 I have seen this offense in a real groove, and it is methodical and elite (think San Fran game last year)— and I think that is the type of offense that is built for consistent Success, including in the playoffs.  
 

i think we will see it soon, as they are still trying to piece together all the new wrinkles and personnel packages.  But when they hit on it, they will be impossible to stop. 

[Rockinon]

20 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

Amazing that we've face-stomped four teams in a row with two huge shut-outs and have the largest point differential by a large margin, and we're still looking for us to obliterate someone?

 

It's more just a sense that the offense has been picking up steam. The defense has absolutely been lights out, but the offense seems to be just getting warmed up.

[starrymessenger]

OP is right. Bills O has not yet settled in. Perhaps to be expected early on. When it all comes together later this year its gonna be awesome.

[TheBrownBear]

2 hours ago, Greg S said:

The defense this year is way better than last year so the offense doesn't have to reach last year's level. If they do then watch out. This team will be outright dominant.

Hmmmnnnn...think I'd call a +115 point differential over the past four games "outright dominant."