TH3 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Beast said: So, we have a guy that's never been accused of being a racist before. No evidence of such to my knowledge. And then we are going to assume he was dumb enough to put a racist statement in black and white where it will never go away? I suppose.....but after his explanation I am going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. My bad….his explanation TOTALLY MAKES SENSE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, Warcodered said: He's trying to frame the narrative of what he said. He's saying he was calling the guy a liar because apparently saying someone has rubbery lips means that to him(never heard of that). But he didn't say the guys lips were rubbery or even that they were like a tire which would be vague enough to mean rubbery. He said they were the size of tires. Whatever you feel about what he said aside, his explanation smells like bull#### to me. I can see how you would feel that way, honestly. But not passing the smell test in my book doesn’t equate to loss of job for a guy who has no other history of racist actions or remarks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Did anyone else read the topic and think Gruden sent an e-mail regarding Smith when he was ten years old? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Warcodered said: His explanation just doesn't make any sense. Well, if it doesn't make any sense to you why aren't you calling for his head? I mean, he was in his mid 40's when he made this statement. It's either he's racist or he isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: I can see how you would feel that way, honestly. But not passing the smell test in my book doesn’t equate to loss of job for a guy who has no other history of racist actions or remarks And I'm not saying that just that his explanation is baloney. Just now, Beast said: Well, if it doesn't make any sense to you why aren't you calling for his head? I mean, he was in his mid 40's when he made this statement. It's either he's racist or he isn't. See this guy gets it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 What a time to be alive 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) Mark Davis releases statement: Quote An important part: "...with other materials provided to us today by the NFL" Edited October 8, 2021 by delirious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 51 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Teenage Josh Allen posts rap lyrics (having worked with teens for 20+ years they [post music lyrics .. even if they shouldn't) vs a grown man making obvious racial comments .. I do not see the correlation at all. I’ve never had anything but dislike for Gruden. He was good on TV, but not a great coach or person. I was in the Tampa market and would hear comments from players there during his time (taking credit for Tony Dungy’s team) in Tampa. I also had some personal experiences as our sons traveled in some of the same high school football circles. These comments and his ridiculous (to me anyway, a guy who has never heard a liar called “rubber lips”) way to cover his tracks do not surprise me at all. Gruden is all about Gruden and I can’t begin to describe how happy I am he is not the coach of our team. I’d have some difficult decisions to make. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I hope in time that our nation can heal. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, eball said: Did anyone else read the topic and think Gruden sent an e-mail regarding Smith when he was ten years old? Gruden would sell you that if he thought you might buy it! He’s that kinda guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, eball said: Did anyone else read the topic and think Gruden sent an e-mail regarding Smith when he was ten years old? 🤚 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Even if that ridiculous explaination of "rubber lips" is truthful (Call me skeptical but I do not believe it is) comparing a man of color's lips to car tires of all things IS a racist analogy. The league may not mandate termination, however if Davis is AT ALL wanting to move on this is his chance to get out of that huge contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I don’t think Gruden is racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Urban just sent gruden a fruit basket 19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 What an ass. Davis would be smart to use this opportunity to get out that horrible contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Even if that ridiculous explaination of "rubber lips" is truthful (Call me skeptical but I do not believe it is) comparing a man of color's lips to car tires of all things IS a racist analogy. The league may not mandate termination, however if Davis is AT ALL wanting to move on this is his chance to get out of that huge contract. Can he though? If this was 10 years ago it preceded the contract by quite a bit. Davis/Raiders had their own due diligence to perform. I guess we can't really know, it's all in the wording of the contract, which we don't have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Really ignorant comments but it was 10 years ago and he didn't work for the NFL at the time. I'm not sure how they would justify a suspension or any action against Gruden. Pretty sure all of us have said something in texts, emails or Twitter posts that wouldn't have looked great at some point during our lives. Not excusing the behavior but I mean even some pretty serious crimes have a statute of limitations under 10 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 This is a nothing story, Gruden made some unsavory comments 10 years ago and has apologized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Just now, JaCrispy said: Who cares? I make fun of lips all the time...like, “Damn, check out those meat curtains!” So, in addition to saying "who cares" about racist comments you double down with sexism and misogyny. Really wish ToS would let me say more here.... 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Just now, No Place To Hyde said: So, in addition to saying "who cares" about racist comments you double down with sexism and misogyny. Really wish ToS would let me say more here.... That’s right! 👍 I was inspired after watching Dave Chappelle’s “The Closer”...good stuff...😉 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: So, in addition to saying "who cares" about racist comments you double down with sexism and misogyny. Really wish ToS would let me say more here.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 So does anyone remember this in 2011? - I don't. Must be racism wasn't in with the media yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 26 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Even if that ridiculous explaination of "rubber lips" is truthful (Call me skeptical but I do not believe it is) comparing a man of color's lips to car tires of all things IS a racist analogy. The league may not mandate termination, however if Davis is AT ALL wanting to move on this is his chance to get out of that huge contract. NFL HC contracts are guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: So, in addition to saying "who cares" about racist comments you double down with sexism and misogyny. Really wish ToS would let me say more here.... I can't tell if you're being serious or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIrvine Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Urban just sent gruden a fruit basket I think Urban leaked the email. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: So does anyone remember this in 2011? - I don't. Must be racism wasn't in with the media yet. Ah yes. The good old days when you could crack a racist joke and nobody cared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 22 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: What an ass. Davis would be smart to use this opportunity to get out that horrible contract. Raiders are 3-1. What are you talking about ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Imagine being a public figure and dumb enough to put that in an email 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Raiders are 3-1. What are you talking about ? What’s your point? They were 6-2 last year. The man got $100 million, is 22-30 and hasn’t made the playoffs once. Horrible contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: He's full of *****. He didn't say his lips were rubbery he said they were the size of tires, but nice try though. Well tires are made from rubber, it isn't much if a stretch to see it was following along his habit of calling someone rubbery lips if he felt they weren't totally honest. If Gruden held racist views I'm sure it would have surfaced long ago as he is in a profession that has a larger than average percentage of minorities than in most employment settings. I just don't think he could hold racist views and be able to hide it in his position for the entirety of his career. If he has then we've all lost on seeing the finest actor and he truly chose the wrong profession. Edited October 8, 2021 by AuntieEm Format and grammar corrections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, Beast said: It's always the 2nd guy that gets flagged😂 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: NFL HC contracts are guaranteed. True. But from what I understand most contracts have conduct clauses that can cause a void. If Gruden's has one or not we have no way of knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, AuntieEm said: Well tires are made from rubber, it isn't much if a stretch to see it was following along his habit of calling someone rubbery lips if he felt they weren't totally honest. If Gruden held racist views I'm sure it would have surfaced long ago as he is in a profession that has a larger than average percentage of minorities than in most employment settings. I just don't think he could hold racist views and be able to hide it in his position for the entirety of his career. If he has then we've all lost on seeing the finest actor and he truly chose the wrong profession. He didn't say they were like tires he said they were the size of tires. And I've still yet to see anyone who's ever heard of an idiom for rubber and liars. Edited October 8, 2021 by Warcodered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: It's always the 2nd guy that gets flagged😂 True. But from what I understand most contracts have conduct clauses that can cause a void. If Gruden's has one or not we have no way of knowing. They can't nullify his contract for conduct that happened years before he signed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Warcodered said: He didn't say they were like tires he said they were the size of tires. And I've still yet to see anyone who's ever heard of an idiom for rubber and liars. This is the only thing I could find about rubber and lips (which isn't associated with lying) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rubberlip&defid=2400557 Quote (verb) To accidentally mangle the pronunciation of a word due to lingual clumsiness. This happens when you stumble over a word you can usually pronounce, or when you find a specific combination of sounds you simply cannot make yourself pronounce. Edited October 9, 2021 by delirious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 31 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Imagine being a public figure and dumb enough to put that in an email Right? Who the hell talks like that? What century is it!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, AuntieEm said: Well tires are made from rubber, it isn't much of a stretch just as a complete aside… who is DeMarice Smith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: What’s your point? They were 6-2 last year. The man got $100 million, is 22-30 and hasn’t made the playoffs once. Horrible contract. Ok, he’s a horrible 3-1 Coach. You had to say something relevant to get him and fit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: They can't nullify his contract for conduct that happened years before he signed it. If the happening just came to light and would potentially damage the reputation of the organization they most certainly could. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 9 Isles Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Get over it. Society needs to find more productive ways to spend its energy otherthan to continually chase every single slightly offensive thing done in the history of mankind. The outrage mob is actually holding back any advance that society makes with the constant focus on race. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 To be fair, Gruden also said Smith “had a **** like an anaconda”. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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