Can someone explain to me why Gabe Davis does not have equal snap count to Diggs?

[Ramza86]

I just dont get it. Gabe is about as reliable as you can get on this team.

 

He should be WR 2 and on the field as long as he can.

 

Hurts to watch him not in.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I think he went to the locker room for a bit with an injury.  So probably limited plays after that.

[HeHateMe]

He should be our #2 and not Sanders.

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

He should be our #2 and not Sanders.

Sanders was consistently open yesterday and freed himself for a big TD catch only to see it badly overthrown. Sanders finished top three in the NFL last year in getting separation. He is good.

Edited September 13, 2021 by dave mcbride

[RyanC883]

well, this article agrees with the OPs premise that "Davis was vastly underused and Allen needs to look his way more often."  

 

Bills report card: Offensive line, play-calls a mess against Steelers (democratandchronicle.com)

 

Sanders is also good, no clue why Allen was so bad yesterday, and I'm thinking he needs to see a sports psychologist about playing in front of crowds.  

 

 

[Beast]

7 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

He should be our #2 and not Sanders.

 

Why?

 

Sanders should have had over 100 yards and a TD yesterday. 

 

Sanders is a damned good 2 WR.

Edited September 13, 2021 by Beast

[Don Otreply]

It is an overall lack of offensive coordination by Dabol, doesn’t use the run game even when it was working, didn’t capitalize on the short pass game even when it was working… etc etc, the guy is not very intuitive when designing or adjusting a game plan, if his initial plan isn’t working he makes no useful adjustments, this makes him the weakest link on the coaching staff, one would think Beane and McDermott would jerk a knot in his azs at some point over this continuing to happen. Oh well, 

 

maybe it would be for the better if he was some other teams HC, 
 

Go Bills!!!

Edited September 13, 2021 by Don Otreply

[billsherd]

Hopefully he is not on the injury report this week.

[MrSarcasm]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

maybe it would be for the better if he was some other teams HC, 

Well it is overreaction Monday.

[SirAndrew]

Davis is very talented, but he’s still learning to be a wideout in the pros. I think it’s possible that Sanders is the better receiver right now. Davis is still working on becoming that guy who’s dependable for an entire game, and doesn’t disappear. Diggs, Beasley, and Sanders are all guys who regardless of struggles, are going to make some plays. Davis is a really good receiver, but he’s just not at their level yet. 

[Bigantall]

24 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Davis is very talented, but he’s still learning to be a wideout in the pros. I think it’s possible that Sanders is the better receiver right now. Davis is still working on becoming that guy who’s dependable for an entire game, and doesn’t disappear. Diggs, Beasley, and Sanders are all guys who regardless of struggles, are going to make some plays. Davis is a really good receiver, but he’s just not at their level yet. 

Says you?

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Sanders was consistently open yesterday and freed himself for a big TD catch only to see it badly overthrown. Sanders finished top three in the NFL last year in getting separation. He is good.

Frustrating....3 years later and Josh still hasn't grasped the concept of trajectory on deep balls. Football 1.0

[MAJBobby]

I think Davis deserves many more snaps than he gets at this point, but I admit I am not in practice.  And hard really to say after one game when the offense was bad.

 

Let me ask if Allen his either SEEM to Sanders, are we talking about Davis's snap counts?

[Rc2catch]

I find it odd sanders seems so disliked. All the guy does is get open. Receiver is similar to the D line, everyone has a bit of a rotation. More snaps doesn’t always include more production. Davis is going to have plenty of chances to shine. 

[buffalostu2]

3 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

I just dont get it. Gabe is about as reliable as you can get on this team.

 

He should be WR 2 and on the field as long as he can.

 

Hurts to watch him not in.

I think your title should say "more than Sanders" and leave Diggs out of it IMO.   I do think he should be WR 2 and I was upset when we are in the red zone in the second half and he didn't see one snap before the field goal.   I did not see him go off with an injury as suggested

[Solomon Grundy]

19 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Frustrating....3 years later and Josh still hasn't grasped the concept of trajectory on deep balls. Football 1.0

Maybe Russell Wilson will host a QB University and Josh will participate 😎

[Ramza86]

Just now, buffalostu2 said:

I think your title should say "more than Sanders" and leave Diggs out of it IMO.   I do think he should be WR 2 and I was upset when we are in the red zone in the second half and he didn't see one snap before the field goal.   I did not see him go off with an injury as suggested

Hes the 2nd most important WR on this team next to Diggs. He has surpassed Beasley in importance IMO.

[Don Otreply]

54 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Well it is overreaction Monday.

I said maybe…, but you don’t want to include the context of my post, snippets don’t tell the tale.., 

[SirAndrew]

21 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I find it odd sanders seems so disliked. All the guy does is get open. Receiver is similar to the D line, everyone has a bit of a rotation. More snaps doesn’t always include more production. Davis is going to have plenty of chances to shine. 

It’s been one game, and everyone played poorly. I don’t understand why so many have deemed Sanders worthless either. Everyone likes shiny new things. I think most of this board looks at Sanders age and gives him no respect because of that. Davis is a very good receiver, but he’s still learning the pro game. Sanders knows the pro game, and still has plenty of skill left. You don’t stick around that long as a receiver if you’re garbage. 

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, dneveu said:

I think he went to the locker room for a bit with an injury.  So probably limited plays after that.

After a play he was liming. Ithink it was the 4th down play they went for it and threw.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

This thread does not exist if Allen doesn't miss Sanders by 5 yards

[Freddie's Dead]

Sanders sucked out loud yesterday.  He should have laid out for the bomb instead of Fostering it.  He dropped the seam pass when he didn't secure the ball, and he false started when we were trying to come back in the 4th QTR.  He needs to be a LOT better next week.  I agree that Gabe Davis should be seeing much more than 38% of the offensive snaps.  If that comes at Sanders's expense, I'm good with that.

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Sanders sucked out loud yesterday.  He should have laid out for the bomb instead of Fostering it.  He dropped the seam pass when he didn't secure the ball, and he false started when we were trying to come back in the 4th QTR.  He needs to be a LOT better next week.  I agree that Gabe Davis should be seeing much more than 38% of the offensive snaps.  If that comes at Sanders's expense, I'm good with that.

Laid out for the bomb… that ball was so far overthrown.  How far you think Sanders can jump?

[JerseyBills]

Sanders is great. So is Davis, Beasley and Diggs.

Sometimes too many pieces on O at the same position can be an issue.

Not sure what the issue really was, Allen was just inaccurate.. Very frustrating 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, Beast said:

 

Why?

 

Sanders should have had over 100 yards and a TD yesterday. 

 

Sanders is a damned good 2 WR.

I thought so too, but I can understand why they are running him downfield instead of using his rout running awesomeness. 

[Freddie's Dead]

14 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Laid out for the bomb… that ball was so far overthrown.  How far you think Sanders can jump?

 

I had a bad feed, but it looked to me like it was only overthrown 2 yards.  If it was further, OK.

[Mango]

Sanders seemed to be getting open quite a bit yesterday. Josh just wasn’t really looking his way much. Putting in Davis does not really solve that problem. 

[SectionC3]

Diggs is better. 

[Maine-iac]

I can't argue with anyone who wants to see Sanders starting.  I can see both sides.  I lean toward Davis starting outside but I think Sanders is a great WR.  We throw the ball enough there should be plenty of balls to go around.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Kind of a moot point as I’m expecting Sanders, Beasley, and Davis to all end up with close to the same amount of touches

 

But I’ll agree with the sentiment of “Get Gabe the football”

[dave mcbride]

31 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I had a bad feed, but it looked to me like it was only overthrown 2 yards.  If it was further, OK.

No worries. It was a lot further than 2 yards and was totally uncatchable. And Allen has to get the ball to Sanders a LOT earlier on this play below; it should be hitting him in the hands once he gets past the sticks and is in the middle of the big hole in the zone, not as he is entering the back zone which is occupied by 2 DBs. That's the QB throwing his receiver into a bad play and creating an easy pass defense for the DB. (In the old days, the DB--Pierre--would have completely blown him up.) Josh had to deal with a sieve of an o-line, so I'm sympathetic, but he didn't have a good game either. It'll get better. 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by dave mcbride

[Freddie's Dead]

21 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

No worries. It was a lot further than 2 yards and was totally uncatchable. And Allen has to get the ball to Sanders a LOT earlier on this play below; it should be hitting him in the hands once he gets past the sticks and is in the middle of the big hole in the zone, not as he is entering the back zone which is occupied by 2 DBs. That's the QB throwing his receiver into a bad play and creating an easy pass defense for the DB. (In the old days, the DB--Pierre--would have completely blown him up.) Josh had to deal with a sieve of an o-line, so I'm sympathetic, but he didn't have a good game either. It'll get better. 

 

 

I'll agree that Allen should have delivered the ball sooner, but Sanders has to lock it up.  Reminiscent of Lee Evans in the Ravens game against the Cheats.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

I just dont get it. Gabe is about as reliable as you can get on this team.

 

He should be WR 2 and on the field as long as he can.

 

Hurts to watch him not in.

 

 

Diggs is a 6 year veteran coming off 3 consecutive seasons.

 

Davis is a promising 2nd year player coming off a rookie season with under 600 receiving yards, 56.5% catch %, and 5% drops.  He blocks well and has made some superior, game-changing sideline catches, but has also dropped balls that hit him in the hands at crucial times (see: Ravens playoff game)  He's got a great attitude by all accounts and will continue to develop, but he's not carrying Diggs shoestrings much less his jock for release and route running savvy and ability to get open or make tough catches in coverage.

 

1 hour ago, Mango said:

Sanders seemed to be getting open quite a bit yesterday. Josh just wasn’t really looking his way much. Putting in Davis does not really solve that problem. 

 

Sanders had 4 catches on 8 targets.

 

McDermott specifically mentioned Sanders in his post-game presser, saying positive things about his abilities but also saying that practice time is important so that he can build timing and rappore with Josh (Sanders did not practice much in training camp due to "foot" and was limited all last week with "foot").

 

I view that as a gentle warning shot across Sanders bow, that if he is dogging practice with the foot that needs to stop.

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

Diggs is a 6 year veteran coming off 3 consecutive seasons.

 

Davis is a promising 2nd year player coming off a rookie season with under 600 receiving yards, 56.5% catch %, and 5% drops.  He blocks well and has made some superior, game-changing sideline catches, but has also dropped balls that hit him in the hands at crucial times (see: Ravens playoff game)  He's got a great attitude by all accounts and will continue to develop, but he's not carrying Diggs shoestrings much less his jock for release and route running savvy and ability to get open or make tough catches in coverage.

 

 

Sanders had 4 catches on 8 targets.

 

McDermott specifically mentioned Sanders in his post-game presser, saying positive things about his abilities but also saying that practice time is important so that he can build timing and rappore with Josh (Sanders did not practice much in training camp due to "foot" and was limited all last week with "foot").

 

I view that as a gentle warning shot across Sanders bow, that if he is dogging practice with the foot that needs to stop.

 

 

I did not take it as a dig at Sanders, more of a, "he was hurt at TC, the dude gets open, we are having to force the issue in season because of it" Sanders had a crucial drop on 3rd down. I thought maybe McD could have been covering for him publicly in a "Sanders is super quality, missed some time, he has got to get the reps to get the timing down on a new team". 

 

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Frustrating....3 years later and Josh still hasn't grasped the concept of trajectory on deep balls. Football 1.0

Dude it was overthrown by like 2 yards.. that's like a few steps for pro wide receiver... 10 yard overthrow and it would be a concern

 

That's timing at the end of the day.. in 1-2 months him and Sanders will be in connection

 

Aaron Rodgers couldn't throw a deep ball coming out of Cal.. it took him years of sitting on the bench to hone it 

 

Slowing the play down it was five-six feet away.. that's literally two strides for Emmanuel Sanders... That's chemistry that will get cleaned up in time.. he has very little live action chemistry with him 

 

If he still missing that in a month... Then maybe there's some concern

 

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Buffalo716

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

I did not take it as a dig at Sanders, more of a, "he was hurt at TC, the dude gets open, we are having to force the issue in season because of it" Sanders had a crucial drop on 3rd down. I thought maybe McD could have been covering for him publicly in a "Sanders is super quality, missed some time, he has got to get the reps to get the timing down on a new team".

 

Davis had 2 receptions on 5 targets, and arguably missed a couple catches he could have hauled in.  That's a lower percentage than Sanders 4 of 8.

[Malazan]

7 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

Sanders is also good, no clue why Allen was so bad yesterday, and I'm thinking he needs to see a sports psychologist about playing in front of crowds.  

 

Look, I won't completely discard the notion, but there's a lot of factors that are a LOT more likely. 

 

1. They spent a whole offseason reading their press clippings. Daboll has been touted as the HOTTEST HC candidate for next offseason and it seemed like he was trying to prove it with his gameplan. 

2. Last offseason, we heard about how hard they worked outside of team activities in an offseason where many teams didn't get much work at all. This season, I didn't hear about any of that occurring for the Bills. Long story short, they outworked people last season to have early season success.

3. They barely played in pre-season. That timing/rhythm doesn't necessarily carry over year to year. You have to work. I heard a lot on twitter from the Bills this offseason, but little about how much they were outworking other teams this offseason. 

4. Defenses didn't have time to prepare last year. Defenses usually are ahead of offenses early in the season. They had a season of tape to learn what everyone knew. Blitzing Allen is a way to get beat. Get the pressure you can with 4 and flood the coverage zones. Tackle the Bills receivers immediately and cut down on the YAC. 

5. The Steelers are much better than they are given credit for.. They won 11 games in a row last season. Towards the end of the season they got banged up and Ben slows down later in the year after taking hits, but that defense is a top 5 defense year in / year out and they still needed a blokced kick returned for a touchdown to win. 

6. The offensive line penalties brought plays back that would have sustained drives / had points. No one on the offense looked good, but you can't kill drive after drive with stupidly bad penalties. See #1 with a coordinator who seemed more interested in "his" gameplan working than adjusting to the reality on the field that the players were sucking at what he wanted executed and it's that much harder. 

[RobbRiddick]

Have we had a thread titled "Did the Bills make a mistake getting rid of Brown?" yet?

[Meatloaf63]

9 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Sanders was consistently open yesterday and freed himself for a big TD catch only to see it badly overthrown. Sanders finished top three in the NFL last year in getting separation. He is good.

He also dropped a very important pass that sealed our loss…

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I had a bad feed, but it looked to me like it was only overthrown 2 yards.  If it was further, OK.

It was only five feet away  

 

That's literally 2 strides for a guy like Sanders.. it wasn't that far off

Edited September 13, 2021 by Buffalo716