Trubisky trade value?

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, dma0034 said:

I can see Daboll getting a HC spot and bringing Mitch with him next year

Is there an echo in here?

[gonzo1105]

Just now, dma0034 said:

I can see Daboll getting a HC spot and bringing Mitch with him next year

Yup let him stay for the year, Daboll gets a head job signs Trubisky, take the comp pick and say thank you very much then sign a Bridgwater/Lock/Darnold next year if they flip and rinse and repeat

[dma0034]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

Is there an echo in here?

 

Yeah I was writing that as you posted 😆😆😆

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Don’t  👏🏻 Trade 👏🏻Away👏🏻Good 👏🏻Depth 👏🏻 

[ganesh]

38 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

say we trade Trubisky.  What do we look like if Josh gets injured and Webb and Fromm have to step in for a few games?  That should quash any current notions of trading the backup.

May be we can trade Trubisky for Dalton as our backup !!!!! Plus the extra 1st round pick

[YattaOkasan]

4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Don’t  👏🏻 Trade 👏🏻Away👏🏻Good 👏🏻Depth 👏🏻 

Particularly when the rest of the room isn’t deep. I am for trading Butler, Addison, Klein. But those are deep rooms. We have no security if we trade Mitch. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

3 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Particularly when the rest of the room isn’t deep. I am for trading Butler, Addison, Klein. But those are deep rooms. We have no security if we trade Mitch. 

Agreed!

[Rc2catch]

One good preseason game and we want to judge compensation.. 

 

If you really did some homework you’d see our boy McCarron went down non contact injury in Atlanta and all they have is UDFA franks as backup. 
So maybe… Fromm or Webb could be sent there for a late round pick. 
Leave Mitch alone. Allen is amazing but has taken terrible hits every year, having a good backup outweighs any realistic compensation Trubisky may get. 

[BillsCuse]

44 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

say we trade Trubisky.  What do we look like if Josh gets injured and Webb and Fromm have to step in for a few games?  That should quash any current notions of trading the backup.

Exactly.  Knock on wood, but if Allen got hurt for say 4-6 games or something similar, The Bills need someone to keep them a float during that span.  Losing a lot of those games would seriously hurt playoff chances.  Keep Trubisky without a doubt.  

[Albany,n.y.]

26 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The point of the thread is not to advocate trading Trubisky.  Reading comprehension is an important skill.  Its a hypothetical question.  I am certain that Beane has already thought of his response if he is asked.   I doubt seriously his response would be "Holy *****, didn't think of that, during free agency no one wanted him."  

Hypothetical questions that aren't realistic, really aren't legitimate questions.  I can pose a question like this: If Gisele leaves Brady do you think I have a chance?  The question is something only Lloyd Christmas would ask. 

 

Beane clearly stated that Trubisky is here for 2021 when he signed.  His response would be "I already stated when we signed him he's here for the entire season" while he'd be thinking : What's wrong with you for asking such a stupid question, wasn't I clear enough when I said he's here for the season?    

[Teddy KGB]

31 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

No one is offering a second. 

 WFT, Pit, Houston, and Philly should. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Teddy KGB

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

What's wrong with having a good backup 

 

30 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

For whatever reason, people rave about our depth one minute and then want to trade them the next. It’s bizarre 

 

25 minutes ago, Beast said:

Exactly.

 

Unfortunately, for some, the college draft is what football is all about. Next year and the years after. 
 

This team is about the here and now. The goal is to win a Lombardi.

 

Nothing is wrong with having a good backup.  But if someone were to offer a 1st (unlikely but...), seeing as how he's only going to be here 1 year, I'd make the trade. 

[billsbackto81]

24 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Every one of those teams would be looking to upgrade at qb if he were starter. We did 20 years of cycling through those guys and suddenly folks think they are getting a second rounder in august/September for a low tier starter/good backup that won’t know the playbook? 

You don't know what his development would've been like with another team. Chicago just like the Jets had idiots running the show. Better coaching and acquisitions might've made a big difference for Trubisky and Darnold for that matter. I think many take for granted just how fortunate Josh was to land on a team with a staff that has competence and vision. 

[dpberr]

The Bills are legitimate SB contenders this season.  

 

The Bills are not trading Mitch Trubisky this year.   He's the Reich to the Kelly, the Hostetler to the Phil Simms, the Foles to the Wentz.  

[billsbackto81]

38 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

It’s not harsh, it’s reality. And if signing a guy like Trubisky messes with the mind set and development of the young QB you drafted then that player was never going to ever be good if he’s that mentally weak. 

Perhaps, but Mitch could very well be the second coming of Fitzpatrick. Career back up that gets a starting opportunity every blue moon.

1 minute ago, dpberr said:

The Bills are legitimate SB contenders this season.  

 

The Bills are not trading Mitch Trubisky this year.   He's the Reich to the Kelly, the Hostetler to the Phil Simms, the Foles to the Wentz.  

You had to go there?😤

[Ethan in Cleveland]

We are in win now mode.  Give Beane credit for upgrading the back-up QB position.  Now jettison Fromm and take advantage of the open roster spot.  And let's all hope he gets 25 snaps all year in blowouts.  Bes case scenario is someone signs him to a contract next year and they get a comp pick out of it.

 

[Albany,n.y.]

23 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

10 to 1 says they wont trade him for anything this season.

 

they might, might take offers next season, might?

Nope.  A team cannot trade a free agent unless they franchise or transition him & then the tag immediately is added to their cap & they can't go over the cap.  So they would have to have the extra cap $ before tagging the player & then until they trade him it ties their hands in free agency.  It's better to hope he signs for big $ elsewhere and you can get a comp pick, but if you sign enough free agents you won't even get a comp pick.  

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Mitch Trubisky seems to be playing at a mid-range starting QB level.  He is young and has the measurables that led to him being a first round pick? What could the Bills get for him in a trade? Does the level of potential compensation warrant making a trade? 

Interesting question.   There's precedent, of course, although it happened in a slightly different circumstance.   Sam Bradford was a number one overall pick (Trubisky was second), and became the backup in Philadelphia when the Eagles drafted Wentz and he won the starting job.  Bradford had gotten to Philadelphia after a shaky start to his career in St. Louis, the same kind of shaky start Trubisky had.  

 

Minnesota gave the Eagles a first and a conditional fourth for Bradford.  

 

The Eagles situation was not completely similar.  They probably thought they needed to groom Wentz as a starter before they challenged for the Super Bowl, which is exactly what happened.  He went 7-9 the season they traded Bradford, and they wouldn't have done much better with Bradford at QB.  The next season, they got Foles to back up Wentz, and they won the Super Bowl with Wentz injured and out of the lineup.   In other words, the Eagles got themselves a quality back up when they thought they had a shot to win it all, and the backup won it for them.  

 

The Bills need a quality backup this year, so a first and a conditional fourth wouldn't be enough.  And Fromm and Webb haven't been looking like Nick Foles.  He was a third round pick, like Webb, but still.  

[Scott7975]

I remember when people were screaming for Matt Barkley to start over Josh Allen because of one game played against a terrible Jets team.  That said, you don't trade the only viable backup QB you have.  Personally I hope he is willing to sign a few year deal and stay our backup, but some team will want him for a starter.

[JimBob2232]

With the way Josh plays - having someone who can step in as a backup is critical.  Mitch hasnt been great in his career - but he has the right pedigree for a top of the line backup QB.  I'd change my mind if you could get a second rounder for him...but thats a pipe dream given that 6 months ago nobody wanted him at all.  2 preseason games wont change that. 

 

If preaseason was all that mattered - Gibron Hamdan would have been our QB for the last 10 years.

Edited August 22, 2021 by JimBob2232

[NoSaint]

23 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 WFT, Pit, Houston, and Philly should. 

 

yea man. And we totally should’ve offered a 2 for Matt Moore when we had our carousel. That would have gotten us closer to a super bowl.

[machine gun kelly]

OMG, we get our next Reich and some people say, TRADE HIM.  This is why I’m glad McD is our coach.  Absolutely not under any circumstances as anyone saying that and then Allen gets hurt, and the same people scream the sky is falling. I knew we should’ve kept Mitch.

 

Just play the percentages and even though Allen has been playing smarter and smarter every year, he still rushes so that’s a potential injury waiting to happen.  Not likely, but you really want to trust Fromm or Webb for four games.  Didn’t a percentage of posters whine about Barkley.  So we upgrade on the cheap as top level backups are getting $5 mil.+, and now trade him.

[Doc]

Just now, machine gun kelly said:

OMG, we get our next Reich and some people say, TRADE HIM.  This is why I’m glad McD is our coach.  Absolutely not under any circumstances as anyone saying that and then Allen gets hurt, and the same people scream the sky is falling. I knew we should’ve kept Mitch.

 

Just play the percentages and even though Allen has been playing smarter and smarter every year, he still rushes so that’s a potential injury waiting to happen.  Not likely, but you really want to trust Fromm or Webb for four games.  Didn’t a percentage of posters whine about Barkley.  So we upgrade on the cheap as top level backups are getting $5 mil.+, and now trade him.

 

Again, it will only be for 1 season.  If he's as good as he looked yesterday, there's no way he's staying,much less at a cheap contract.

[NoSaint]

25 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

You don't know what his development would've been like with another team. Chicago just like the Jets had idiots running the show. Better coaching and acquisitions might've made a big difference for Trubisky and Darnold for that matter. I think many take for granted just how fortunate Josh was to land on a team with a staff that has competence and vision. 

I also didn’t comment on what his career arc would’ve been had he been drafted elsewhere. 

[Albany,n.y.]

18 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 WFT, Pit, Houston, and Philly should. 

Houston shouldn't.  They drafted a QB with their 1st pick (round 3) in the 2021 draft.  Philadelphia spent a 2nd on Hurts last year & signed Flacco as the backup.  

The other 2 teams depend on where they draft next year because neither needs Trubisky this year & won't trade for a guy who has no contract for next season & aren't about to sign him to a long term deal.  A team trading a 2nd is either a Super Bowl contender whose QB went down or a team that is trading for a long term answer.  The Bills certainly aren't going to help another Super Bowl contender.  

[Cruiserplayer]

Tie game in fourth quarter of AFC championship. Josh goes down. Fromm enters the game, that extra second isn’t gonna help.

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

It's better to hope he signs for big $ elsewhere and you can get a comp pick, but if you sign enough free agents you won't even get a comp pick.  

 

I agree with the plan and the risk.  No one knows whether or not the comp pick will happen.

One good thing is the makeup of the team is stable and with the cap situation the way it is the Bills probably won't be

bringing in a lot of expensive FAs next year.  There also is a good chance that a number of Bills FAs may be re-signed which doesn't

count against the comp pick formula.

 

It's going to be one of those "great if it happens" situations and I'm sure Beane will be considering all these things.

In the meantime having Mitch as a backup is awesome!

[Yawning Frog]

What a silly thread.

[Shaw66]

8 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Houston shouldn't.  They drafted a QB with their 1st pick (round 3) in the 2021 draft.  Philadelphia spent a 2nd on Hurts last year & signed Flacco as the backup.  

The other 2 teams depend on where they draft next year because neither needs Trubisky this year & won't trade for a guy who has no contract for next season & aren't about to sign him to a long term deal.  A team trading a 2nd is either a Super Bowl contender whose QB went down or a team that is trading for a long term answer.  The Bills certainly aren't going to help another Super Bowl contender.  

The team that would give up a lot for Trubisky is a team that thinks it's going to the Super Bowl and their QB gets injured.  That's what happened with Bradford - Vikings thought Teddy Bridgewater was their guy.  Then Bridgewater went down, the Vikings were trading to save their season.  

[Shaw66]

26 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

 It's better to hope he signs for big $ elsewhere and you can get a comp pick, but if you sign enough free agents you won't even get a comp pick.  

This is a really good point.   Bills are going to get a conditional pick for him when he leaves.   The days of signing a lot of free agents are now in the Bills' rearview mirror.  Why?  Because Beane has said over and over that he uses free agency to plug holes, and he's now built a team that doesn't have holes.   What he will need next season is draft picks, because he wants cheap young talent.  He admitted that when he was thinking about trading back in the draft this season, it was for a pick next season.  

 

I can't see the Bills trading Trubisky for anything less than a couple of first round picks, and I can't imagine any team doing that.  Frankly, I think Trubisky is an average NFL starter, I wouldn't give up two firsts for him.  

 

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Can we pump the brakes with this kid? He was just a free agent and nobody wanted him. 

Not to mention, we are trying to win a Super Bowl this year, and having an above average QB2, especially given the aggressive nature of Josh’s game, is extremely important.  

[Rc2catch]

7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

The team that would give up a lot for Trubisky is a team that thinks it's going to the Super Bowl and their QB gets injured.  That's what happened with Bradford - Vikings thought Teddy Bridgewater was their guy.  Then Bridgewater went down, the Vikings were trading to save their season.  

Spot on. 
Too many young teams mentioned in this thread that are rebuilding, they are not a piece away (certainly not a Trubisky piece)  No reason they’d target Mitch or someone like Addison on bad teams and give up picks. They’d just wait until next offseason and try to sign them (hello comp pick) You’d need a playoff team and more than likely from the NFC to move anyone of value and get decent compensation in return. It would more than likely be an injury forcing them to fill an important spot and thus having to overpay to get someone. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

To me what would be worth exploring if I were the Bills is asking Mitch if he'd consider adding a 2nd year extension with the agreement that the Bills will trade him to whomever wants him after this year.  But that would net the Bills something in return and in exchange for the extension, give him some extra $$'s this year.  Maybe it's half mil signing bonus or something??

[Reader]

[aristocrat]

Colts or Denver might be a team to give up a pick for him

[Chaos]

38 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Interesting question.   There's precedent, of course, although it happened in a slightly different circumstance.   Sam Bradford was a number one overall pick (Trubisky was second), and became the backup in Philadelphia when the Eagles drafted Wentz and he won the starting job.  Bradford had gotten to Philadelphia after a shaky start to his career in St. Louis, the same kind of shaky start Trubisky had.  

 

Minnesota gave the Eagles a first and a conditional fourth for Bradford.  

 

The Eagles situation was not completely similar.  They probably thought they needed to groom Wentz as a starter before they challenged for the Super Bowl, which is exactly what happened.  He went 7-9 the season they traded Bradford, and they wouldn't have done much better with Bradford at QB.  The next season, they got Foles to back up Wentz, and they won the Super Bowl with Wentz injured and out of the lineup.   In other words, the Eagles got themselves a quality back up when they thought they had a shot to win it all, and the backup won it for them.  

 

The Bills need a quality backup this year, so a first and a conditional fourth wouldn't be enough.  And Fromm and Webb haven't been looking like Nick Foles.  He was a third round pick, like Webb, but still.  

Not sure I agree on value .  If Trubisky leaves the Bills next year and the Bills trade their first to acquire a Trubisky equivalent, I would be upset. 

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

Maybe we get a comp pick when he leaves in free agency

This is the correct answer, after a year sitting behind Allen he will follow Daboll to his next stop with a decent contract and that will go into the Bills comp formula.

[Chaos]

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

This is a really good point.   Bills are going to get a conditional pick for him when he leaves.   The days of signing a lot of free agents are now in the Bills' rearview mirror.  Why?  Because Beane has said over and over that he uses free agency to plug holes, and he's now built a team that doesn't have holes.   What he will need next season is draft picks, because he wants cheap young talent.  He admitted that when he was thinking about trading back in the draft this season, it was for a pick next season.  

 

I can't see the Bills trading Trubisky for anything less than a couple of first round picks, and I can't imagine any team doing that.  Frankly, I think Trubisky is an average NFL starter, I wouldn't give up two firsts for him.  

 

 

Do the comp pick rules count for a Veteran in a one year contract?  

[CorkScrewHill]

1 hour ago, BuffaloFan68 said:

I could see us getting a 3rd round pick for him once someone like Tua gets hurt halfway through the season, or even to WFT when they get tired of Pick-Patrick.  Question is, would we even make a deal with Miami?

 

Go Bills!!!!!

I stated this yesterday in the first half thread. He will get a sizable offer next year I would imagine .. as he has shown at least in preseason that perhaps it was Nagy and not him that was the problem. That will lead to a compensatory draft pick … which is one of the tools successful teams use to stay solid.

 

in addition in a league where the QB is the most important position by a mile .. if Josh gets hurt for an extended period of time the backup QB goes from pretty irrelevant to the most important player. I would like our chances much more with Mitch than Fromm or Webb. Mitch should not and I imagine is not tradable in McBeanes collective eyes

[Weatherman]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

Mitch Trubisky seems to be playing at a mid-range starting QB level.  He is young and has the measurables that led to him being a first round pick? What could the Bills get for him in a trade? Does the level of potential compensation warrant making a trade? 

We will get a 3rd Rd pick for him in the 2023 draft (compensatory).