I've seen enough from the youngster Edge Rushers: Trade Mario Addison!

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

AJ Epenesa and Greg Rousseau have both looked outstanding. Jerry Hughes obviously isn't going anywhere, and rightly so. That makes Obada and 2nd round pick Basham our 4th and 5th DEs. Even Bam Johnson -- in whom the Bills have invested a lot of time and coaching -- is starting to really look the part on defense, in addition to his contributions on special teams. That's six edge rushers right there, the top 4 of whom I feel pretty darn good about.

With the sudden depth of the defensive line and the surprisingly stout play of Epenesa and Rousseau, is it time for Beane to hit the phones and find a trade partner willing to acquire Mario Addison? Would there be a significant contract savings for the Bills if they did so?

Am I taking crazy pills?!

p.s. I sure wish the Bills would've given Mario's money for this season to Ty Nsekhe instead, because HOLY COW is the backup tackle situation suddenly frightening with Brown and Doyle injured and Bobby Hart playing like...well....like Bobby Hart.

Anyway...trading Addison...yay or nay?

I'm liking the barrage of pass rushers going after opposing QBs. Anyone else notice the smile when Frelund told McDermott of pass rush effectiveness? 

[Rico]

DE: Rousseau Epenesa Hughes Addison Johnson

 

DT: Star Oliver Zimmer Obada Boogie

 

Cut Butler, trade or IR Phillips. 
 

All depends on if Star is ready & if you only go with 1 true 1T, but this way you keep your best 10 linemen.

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

You're crazy if you think he's tradable.  Maybe if we throw in a draft pick a team that's not going anywhere might take him.  Or maybe Addison and Kumerow to GB LOL

 

Trades like that for high priced players rarely happen in the NFL and when they do, they are usually for legit top ranked players.  Not for a player that is probably over paid to start with and likely has a year or two left in the tank.

 

I do wish I were a mind reader though.  Would love to know if Beane would have re-done Addison's contract if he' have known he was drafting to DE in the 1st two rounds.

He has a very tradable contract. 
 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/mario-addison-8871/

Edited August 22, 2021 by MAJBobby

[Dopey]

Yay for me.

19 minutes ago, Rico said:

DE: Rousseau Epenesa Hughes Addison Johnson

 

DT: Star Oliver Zimmer Obada Boogie

 

Cut Butler, trade or IR Phillips. 
 

All depends on if Star is ready & if you only go with 1 true 1T, but this way you keep your best 10 linemen.

I hope they don't go with only 1 true 1T. Think back to last season.

[JohnNord]

What kind of return does Addison fetch?  A 5th round draft?  The Bills are trying to win a Super Bowl this season and are more concerned with that than trying to trade for Day 3 draft pick to take another Jake Fromm next year.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Maybe a better idea to keep Addison and trade Jerry Hughes to Atlanta for Hayden Hurst and maybe a pick.

I like a Pass Rusher for a CB swap.

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

What kind of return does Addison fetch?  A 5th round draft?  The Bills are trying to win a Super Bowl this season and are more concerned with that than trying to trade for Day 3 draft pick to take another Jake Fromm next year.

More like a 6th or 7th Rd pick.  

[Kwai San]

1 hour ago, Saint Doug said:

I don’t understand this. We finally have enough depth to make a serious SB run. Instead, we want to thin out our D-line for a likely 6th rounder? Is it worth it? Remember, we constantly rotate players in and out on the D-line. What happens when one of these young players goes down for an extended amount of time or hits a physical wall after playing 10 games?

 

Personally I would be real worried about Groot hitting said wall with him being over a year without any meaningful games.....just saying.

 

Go BILLS!!

[Rico]

16 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Yay for me.

I hope they don't go with only 1 true 1T. Think back to last season.

You can always have a couple 1T’s on the PS if you need one later.

Edited August 22, 2021 by Rico

[Motorin']

3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Agree.  Addison, Hughes, Epenesa, Basham, Obada, Rousseau, Star, Oliver, Butler, and probably Zimmer.  Johnson is the odd man out at DE and Phillips may be on IR or cut.  Basham is your swing DE/DT.  

 

I think Johnson over Obada at this point.

[Stank_Nasty]

More value as solid veteran depth than the table scraps they could get for him in a trade. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

So glad to have a competent Front Office. 

 

This. Whatever we end up doing I have no reason to doubt Beane. 

1 hour ago, Rico said:

DE: Rousseau Epenesa Hughes Addison Johnson

 

DT: Star Oliver Zimmer Obada Boogie

 

 

That would be nice but is it common to keep 10 D-lineman on a 53 man roster? I would think some other positions would be thin. 

[mannc]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Is Addison even tradable

 

Only on TSW…

[Virgil]

Are we worries about the cap or something?   Do we have too many good players we can’t keep or something?   Are we worried about hitting Cam too hard?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 Do we have too many good players we can’t keep or something?   

 

Yes.

[YattaOkasan]

12 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Are we worries about the cap or something?   Do we have too many good players we can’t keep or something?   Are we worried about hitting Cam too hard?

To me it’s that we always have an eye on the long term cap situation and this would help. I like this move because we have so much depth at the position.  
 

Choices seem to be Cut Bam (maybe Obada but Ive liked his play) or trade Addison get 4 mil in cap and keep Bam. I’ll take the later as I didn’t see Addison do much for us the second half of the year (large part of that was snap count which could go down this year making him more effective).
 

With what I have seen from AJE and Groot I think we have already upgraded the position group without Addison. Lastly we have a vet in the room in Jerry. 

 

lastly I’m surprised the board banging for Murphy’s head last season isn’t more on board with this move considering we have seen more out of our young DE this year than last. 

[transplantbillsfan]

Oh... big time yay.

 

Start Hughes & Groot.  Obada, Epenesa, Boogie, Johnson as depth.... seriously?

 

DE depth is damn good and we save something like $3 million off the CAP if we cut him.

Edited August 22, 2021 by transplantbillsfan

[LABILLBACKER]

I wanted to trade him when he whiffed on the Hail Murray. We won't get much for him. Maybe a 6th or 7th? Trust me his snaps will go way down this season if he does remain.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

15 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

 

 

lastly I’m surprised the board banging for Murphy’s head last season isn’t more on board with this move considering we have seen more out of our young DE this year than last. 

 

Speaking of whom, is Murphy on a roster? I'd love to pick him up late in the season before the playoffs if it is looking like we could match up with the Ravens again. He's the ideal DE to line up against a guy like Lamar. 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

 

I've said it before...........but if Addison wants to be part of the team perhaps he will accept being cut and join the PS.

 

He's not subject to waivers and his salary is guaranteed already.........this would help the team and allow him to come in later in the season fresh......hopefully for a strong playoff run or when there are injuries etc..

 

Obviously he could possibly pick up a vet min salary elsewhere if he were cut.........but sticking around on the PS is not a concept totally out of the realm if he wants to be in Buffalo.

[Richard Noggin]

Keeping Addison is fine, UNLESS it means exposing someone younger and more dynamic/versatile like a Bam Johnson or Efe Obada. 

 

One last season of mediocre Mario Addison is not worth letting a promising, younger player go. I'm sure Addison can still be a replacement-level producer this season. But Johnson is a physical prototype who's been a STs beast and is now starting to put it together on defense. Obada looks like a specimen who can give the Bills value on the end and inside. Getting bigger and more physical up front was a focus, and Addison is not part of that movement. 

 

Sure begins to feel like the Basham pick was a luxury that will cost us something else. Hopefully he progresses to the point where that doesn't matter, eventually.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

I think Johnson over Obada at this point.

I don't know. Obada was in on alot of plays these last 2 games. You take away Johnson's ST play, is he really a better DE/ DT Hybrid than Johnson?

[njbuff]

I’m not the biggest Addison fan at all…….

 

but these youngsters still have to show that they can be consistent when the games really matter.

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don't know. Obada was in on alot of plays these last 2 games. You take away Johnson's ST play, is he really a better DE/ DT Hybrid than Johnson?

Can Johnson be better than himself? 😂

[beerme1]

5 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Maybe a better idea to keep Addison and trade Jerry Hughes to Atlanta for Hayden Hurst and maybe a pick.

 

***** that. Jerry deserves better than that. 

[Kelly the Dog]

It’s impossible for us fans to know how much influence these veteran players have on the younger guys. McDermott (and I believe Beane) really like Addison as a mentor and teammate and veteran for these younger guys. But do you really need two of them?
 

Hughes is a tremendous guy to follow and learn from. Hughes is the biggest hustler on the team. He’s vocal. He’s smart. He knows both the speed game and technician game. Eric Washington the DL coach is also a ex player the young kids can respect. 
 

i totally get McDermotts vision for players, cogs, teammates, veterans, process guys, role models, etc. Not sure on DL you need two. Hughes is better role model than Addison. He tries harder than ANYONE on the entire team. For a decade. 

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

I’m not the biggest Addison fan at all…….

 

but these youngsters still have to show that they can be consistent when the games really matter.

Can Johnson be better than himself? 😂

 

That's exactly McD's become the best version of yourself process...

 

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I don't know. Obada was in on alot of plays these last 2 games. You take away Johnson's ST play, is he really a better DE/ DT Hybrid than Johnson?

 

I think they both were in on a lot of plays. I'd like to keep both, to be honest. But I think their DE performance is similar, with the edge going to Johnson due to his special teams contribution. 

[That's No Moon]

If Basham weren't a 2nd round pick his spot would be in serious jeopardy right now.  Wouldn't shock me if he were to mysteriously pick up an injury requiring IR next week. Same with Marquez Stevenson and Doyle today.  No room on the actual roster for them but they picked up injuries, have promise, and won't clear waivers. Stash em.

[Brand J]

I’d like a “do-over” on the Basham pick. Not because I don’t think he’ll be a player, but because we have far too many DEs on this team that relegate him to 6th or 7th best (right now). An interior OL in the 2nd would’ve been outstanding. Also wish we would’ve picked up OG Trey Smith in the 6th with one of those back to back picks. Mainly because I’m tired of hearing how the Chiefs got “the steal of the draft.”

[GunnerBill]

Trade him, cut him, I don't care. We don't need him. Hughes, Rousseau, Epenesa, Obada with Boogie as a developmental guy. 

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

If Basham weren't a 2nd round pick his spot would be in serious jeopardy right now.  Wouldn't shock me if he were to mysteriously pick up an injury requiring IR next week. Same with Marquez Stevenson and Doyle today.  No room on the actual roster for them but they picked up injuries, have promise, and won't clear waivers. Stash em.

 

Agree with that. If they had taken Boogie on day 3 he would be in danger. He got a sack on a nice hustle play yesterday where he ended a QB scramble short of the line but he struggled to produce penetration and lost discipline twice in the run game.

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I've been beating the pass rush drum for years.  They went with old slow veterans last year and it didn't work.  Now they are going with a nice mix of experience and youth.   People easily forget Addison led the DL with 5 sacks though it was Hughes that got more consistent pressure.  Youth will cost them some missed containment yards or some screens given up due to the inexperience.  But they will make up for it with more speed on the filed and a few strip sacks during the year.  

🤦‍♂️ I doubt there’s even one poster who’s forgotten Addison had 5 sacks. But thanks for your contribution 🥱

9 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

A little surprised the Bills haven’t given Star any reps against a different uniform after having sat out last season. He hasn’t been the “Josh Allen” equivalent on defense, so that leads me to believe something’s up (beyond getting looks at the other DL). Could he be trade bait? Knowing how much McDermott values routine, I fully expect him to treat this 3rd preseason game as a dress rehearsal, where available starters will play at least a series. If this is the case and Star doesn’t play yet again… 👋

Sean has said it’s because they’re satisfied he’s still very good and no need to see him in meaningless games. See Beasley, Cole. Diggs, Stephon. Allen, Joshua.

7 hours ago, Rico said:

DE: Rousseau Epenesa Hughes Addison Johnson

 

DT: Star Oliver Zimmer Obada Boogie

 

Cut Butler, trade or IR Phillips. 
 

All depends on if Star is ready & if you only go with 1 true 1T, but this way you keep your best 10 linemen.

Again, per McD, Star is ready -plus Harry and even Ed have played 1T if needed. Get to third down or 2nd & long and a DE is flipping inside anyway, for better pressure.

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

I’d like a “do-over” on the Basham pick. Not because I don’t think he’ll be a player, but because we have far too many DEs on this team that relegate him to 6th or 7th best (right now). An interior OL in the 2nd would’ve been outstanding. Also wish we would’ve picked up OG Trey Smith in the 6th with one of those back to back picks. Mainly because I’m tired of hearing how the Chiefs got “the steal of the draft.”

Many believed Basham was more pro-ready post Draft -including pro scouts. Team isn’t giving up on him. I predict an odd injury befalls him after the GB game -kinda like ‘Speedy’ Stevenson; score on a 79 PR in Game 2, take a walk with a trainer to the locker room. We don’t need to see any more. He’ll be our new Don Beebe -After he ‘heals up’..🤕

[HOUSE]

How did Mario Addison get his own thread ?

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Virgil said:

Are we worries about the cap or something?   Do we have too many good players we can’t keep or something?   Are we worried about hitting Cam too hard?

 

We have too many at defensive end, yes. Really depends whether they feel they need Bam for special teams. If they do they can't keep 7 defensive ends so who goes? Addison is the obvious one for me.

5 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

How did Mario Addison get his own thread ?

 

Activity makes up for lack of productivity. 

[Chandler#81]

I wanna know if the Chicago 1st Responders SCUBA Team has found Fields’ helmet yet. Lake Michigan is HUUUUUGE!

[CSBill]

Either Addison or Butler will be gone, cut or traded, but gone.

[MAJBobby]

7 hours ago, mannc said:

Only on TSW…

Not true. Let me ask you did Bodine have trade value. Yes he did. So does Addison. 

[Rock'em Sock'em]

This saves about $6M if released or traded.  He may not even be active on game day.  A trade or cut is not out of the question, given we have depth at the position, the young guys that are playing well, and we have another veteran presence.  That being said, they kept Murphy last year under similar circumstances.

 

EDIT: Doesn't look like any savings at all if released, as his salary is guaranteed.  So no real possibility of that.  After the 2M pay cut earlier this year, savings will be 4M if traded.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/3/18/22338078/mario-addison-contract-restructure-will-save-buffalo-bills-2-million-in-2021

Edited August 22, 2021 by Rock'em Sock'em

[Matt_In_NH]

You have to consider the contract you are trading not just the player on the field.   Would you rather trade for Addison or Obada if you were another teams gm?   Or Butler/Phillips.  

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

How did Mario Addison get his own thread ?

Simple: Because there are very few roster spots actually up for grabs on this team. Very few.

I predicted the same about Addison a few weeks ago. By taking two DEs at the top of the draft the Bills put themselves into this sticky position.  You’re not cutting either guy that you just picked in April so veterans are definitely on the chopping block. I feel a trade coming for sure.

Edited August 22, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Simple: Because there are very few roster spots actually up for grabs on this team. Very few.

I predicted the same about Addison a few weeks ago. By taking two DEs at the top of the draft the Bills put themselves into this sticky position.  You’re not cutting either guy that you just picked in April so veterans are definitely on the chopping block. I feel a trade coming for sure.

And I hope it serves as a lesson for their “double down” draft strategy! Although it probably won’t. Their other double down pick, Doyle, hasn’t really shown he’s worthy of the top 53 either.

[Brand J]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Sean has said it’s because they’re satisfied he’s still very good and no need to see him in meaningless games. See Beasley, Cole. Diggs, Stephon. Allen, Joshua.

Yes, I’m aware coach says Star is ready so there’s no need to see him out there, but since Star has never had the level of impact as the players you mentioned, it’s still curious to see that player who sat out for over a year - and didn’t show up to camp until it was mandatory - not afforded game reps.
Ed Oliver is a better player than Star, yet Oliver has seen the field plenty this preseason.

Edited August 22, 2021 by JayBaller10

[SCBills]

We’re likely not trading anyone within division, but Schefter tweeted out that the Jets are looking to trade for a pass rusher off the Carl Lawson injury.