May Day 10 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 So arguably the 2nd or 3rd best team in the league doesnt have any of the best players. great job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: What's going to be interesting is as Josh gets older and his athletic abilities start to decline (as to when he's just a great athlete for the position and not a FREAK athlete), how his game evolves. He's worked a ton on being able to read defenses and become a smart passer, and an excellent leader, so I think it's quite possible that his stats never again approach 2020 levels (especially in rushing), but he continues to be a top 5 QB. I certainly don't think he peaked in 2020. Not close. I agree, he will have some decline physically, but all that really means is that he won't run as much. He'll become a 200-yard rushing guy, like more or less all QBs. But it takes longer than three years for QBs to become expert at the mental game. It takes five or six years for QBs to get into their prime, mentally. Allen is still growing mentally - he isn't close to done. Assuming he continues to improve, his mental development will overcome any physical decline. Peyton was much better in his final years in Indy, even though he'd become more or less immobile. Allen is great slipping tackles in the pocket, a lot like Big Ben. Allen's go great size. He's going to be outstanding from the pocket in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: lol top 7 he was the best QB in the league last year That's a fair opinion. It's just opinions. Who cares. Only Josh Allen can change opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 They have Wilson over him. Probably Mahomes, Brady and Rodgers. If Lamar Jackson is rated higher they should just fold up shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, dma0034 said: They have Wilson over him. Probably Mahomes, Brady and Rodgers. If Lamar Jackson is rated higher they should just fold up shop. Lamar is definitely rated higher in PFF rankings. They love Lamar. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Lamar is definitely rated higher in PFF rankings. They love Lamar. That’s not remotely true. PFF has Josh Allen’s overall 2020 grade at 90.3 and Lamar Jackson’s at 79.3. https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/qb Edited June 23, 2021 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Ha, that’s laughable. I never go to that site. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That’s not remotely true. PFF has Josh Allen’s overall 2020 grade at 90.3 and Lamar Jackson’s at 79.3. https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/qb That's an actual grade. Opinion wise they love Lamar. They did however have Allen 6th and Lamar 8th in their 2021 QB rankings. Edited June 23, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I miss the Uzi thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, eball said: ...in their rankings of the top 50 players in football regardless of position. Pff is short for pffffffft. F@€% pff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Nonsense like this is why Pfft is on my ignore list, it’s truly amazing that anyone would find value in the c rap they spew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 So, the top WR in football is ranked 45 and a top 5 QB in arguably one of the most difficult positions in all of pro sports is ranked 40 - PFF is a comedy show, nothing more than click bait bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 It's how they stay relevant. I haven't seen any other media out agree with them that there's 39 better players than Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 It's a good idea to ignore articles written in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 hours ago, eball said: Most people will be wrong. His decision making, confidence, and leadership will only grow. PFF are still clinging to their (last) hope that Josh's 2020 was an anomaly. Yeah I don't really understand the assumption that Josh will trail off a bit. There are people who say that he has the most raw talent of any quarterback EVER. So sure, he finished second in MVP voting and it's hard to see him getting better, but every offseason he says he's going to work on something, be it deep passes, reading defenses, etc. And every single year there is a massive improvement for him in that department. This time it's inbreaking routes, which would give the offence another dimension, and kinda squash any notions of stopping the offense by watching a ton of film. I just think Allen is going to get to a point where he simply doesn't have weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandGoal Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Why do any of you even care? it dont matter.... what matters is wins, playoff wins and the Super Bowl... let them rank Allen and Diggs outside top 100... I dont give a $!#!## Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I never stopped hating PFF so there’s that 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: AJ Brown is a beast. Who has not come close to digs production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I never stopped hating PFF so there’s that Who has not come close to digs production He has more TD'S over the past 2 years. Mostly on his own. Edited June 23, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Couldn't care less. I don't need a second rate site to tell me who the top players in the NFL are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Let's focus on what PFF did get right for some positivity. Anyone could have made a mistake and included graphics of bison but PFF used the Buffalo native African water buffalo. At least they do their research, even if sometimes it seems a bit wonky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Why do people still give them any attention. Smh Not that I care that much, but didn’t get to scan a link. I’ll trust you guys. I’ve never once been on the PFF info. Other than when you guys send links. If anyone wants to send great. Not really that worried as they constantly send tainted lists. Who really cares what they write when so far off on Allen, Diggs, and I’m guessing White wasn’t referenced so not in top 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 PFF Management : "We need to boost ratings and generate some views for our crappy website..." PFF Hack Writer : "How about a story that ranks Josh Allen and Stephon Diggs laughably low? That will get the mafia all riled up!" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 The publication that put Duck Hodges in the same conversation as Josh?! Yea, ok! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said: The publication that put Duck Hodges in the same conversation as Josh?! Yea, ok! and rated White as the 19th best corner in the game after he earned 1st team all pro. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshynman Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: Heres some thoughts on Allens ranking. Starts at the 3:20 mark. Absolutely on point! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I think PFF is fine for things like QB pressures and some defensive player rankings, but their QB scoring has never made any sense to me. I think their rating systems is extremely flawed for most offensive positions outside of OL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Where's the full list? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Most people here expect a regression. Not a huge one. They still have him top 7 for QB's. I spit my cola out of my mouth when I read this. Most people here expect regression? then.. They still have him top 7 QB? you are joking right? He is top 3 QB at worst in the league and.. ID like a "heck yea" thumbs up from all you who think he wont regress this year... In fact... I am going to put a open poll on this topic right now... I want to see how many "people" here think he will regress.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Different offenses. Brown might be the best run after catch WR in the NFL. So the Titans have 2 WRs ranked ahead of Diggs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I have Allen at #54. So PFF is being too kind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrSarcasm said: So the Titans have 2 WRs ranked ahead of Diggs... And then Mike Thomas and Allen Robinson. So that puts Diggs no higher than #5 with, I’m assuming at the very least, Hopkins, Hill, and Adams still to be mentioned. So PFF thinks Diggs is barely a top 10 wr…. I think everyone other than @Buffalo_Stampedecan agree that any ranking of Diggs outside the top 3-5 wr’s is just downright comical. Edited June 23, 2021 by Stank_Nasty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 PFF's rating is based on a Pole who told them he thinks Josh will regress. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff50-ranking-50-best-players-nfl-2021 40. QB JOSH ALLEN, BUFFALO BILLS Allen was spectacular in 2020, but it was such a giant leap forward from his previous baseline — his overall PFF grade jumped from the mid-60s to 90.9 last year — that the smart analysis is to expect some degree of regression, given what we know about player development at this level. It was certainly a breakout season, but players rarely maintain a development curve with a trajectory to the moon year over year. Allen’s most impressive improvement came in terms of accuracy, where he went from a player with an adjusted completion rate dead last as a rookie to ranking fifth in the league in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 No way on earth Josh Allen should fall outside the top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 So their 7th QB and like 10th WR somehow managed to break franchise records and end up w/the most catches and yards in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 27 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: So their 7th QB and like 10th WR somehow managed to break franchise records and end up w/the most catches and yards in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I’m not sure why PFF is even looked at. They ‘employ over 600 full or part time people’ to review film and then grade. It’s 100% objective trash. The grades they offer can credibly be ignored. Anyone who has played sports at any level grasps intangibles. Without factoring those in and all other human traits, it’s is a fools errand. Simply grasp what PFF is or do what I do: ignore it as it’s silly trash…Collinsworth backing or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, TroutDog said: I’m not sure why PFF is even looked at. They ‘employ over 600 full or part time people’ to review film and then grade. It’s 100% suobjective trash. The grades they offer can credibly be ignored. Anyone who has played sports at any level grasps intangibles. Without factoring those in and all other human traits, it’s is a fools errand. Simply grasp what PFF is or do what I do: ignore it as it’s silly trash…Collinsworth backing or not. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 10 hours ago, cd1 said: Just "click bait". And the attention they get from Bills Mafia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 10 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: ... ...bring me the head of this fool so that I may urinate on it! or I just plain don't agree with them and leave it at that. One or the other is fine. #40 and #45...pfft, ridiculous is right. Or stone them… (insert PFF for Jehovah) Now we know the scroll guy is Hap. 😇, name the other guys… Thanks for the laugh Donuts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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