Ramza86 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 I was wondering if we saw Allen at his peak last year. One thing I did notice is that he didnt play his best away with live crowds! JA also admitted that the KC fans were so loud and he would be a liar and say he wasnt affected. Wonder if his emotions are the next hurdle? is that even a thing? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Mahomes hurdle 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Yes clearly one game a pattern makes. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Anthony Barr…again 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Personally, I don’t think he’s near his ceiling as of yet. The primary hurdle is doing what he started last year: stringing together strong performances from game to game and utilizing his arm strength to connect on more bombs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 The next hurdle for Allen and the entire team, actually, is playing under the weight of raised expectations. Nice problem to have, but it can ratchet up the pressure when things don’t go well. Think ‘89 Bills. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Personally, I don’t think he’s near his ceiling as of yet. The primary hurdle is doing what he started last year: stringing together strong performances from game to game and utilizing his arm strength to connect on more bombs. And a little less fumbles! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: I was wondering if we saw Allen at his peak last year. One thing I did notice is that he didnt play his best away with live crowds! JA also admitted that the KC fans were so loud and he would be a liar and say he wasnt affected. Wonder if his emotions are the next hurdle? is that even a thing? lol That's a big myth. Allen has always put up better #s on the road. If there's something Allen could improve on it's using his check down as a weapon more often. Getting to his check down quicker as well. Taking less hits. Edited June 3, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 5 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 I don't ever want JA to be a pocket only qb, but I do want him to focus on better/stronger ball security when he does scramble. He needs to believe in the benefit of the short pass as much as the deep ball. And finally do a little calming excercise right before a game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfball323 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 quick passing game. Getting the offense into a rhythm with timing patterns etc... Like Brady... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1. Get to a Superbowl 2. Win a Superbowl 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregthekeg Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Yes clearly one game a pattern makes. I think it is more looking at the previous season when there were fans in the stands and not just the one game last year. I have heard they call it "Sugar Rush Josh" when he gets too excited and tries to force a play. IMO that seemed to disappear last year, but it is a lot easier to be calm when you don't have 80k Bills fans screaming and getting you juiced up before you go out there. I am sure with the increased confidence that he has that it will not be an issue, but hopefully the entire team is more focused than ever and they can keep playing great ball. Edited June 3, 2021 by Gregthekeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: I was wondering if we saw Allen at his peak last year. One thing I did notice is that he didnt play his best away with live crowds! JA also admitted that the KC fans were so loud and he would be a liar and say he wasnt affected. Wonder if his emotions are the next hurdle? is that even a thing? lol I for sure think we haven't seen his peak yet. I think he gets even better. Only "hurdle" for him imo is making smarter decisions at times and he will, since he will be learning even more. Far as the crowd thing goes, I'm in the crowd that's not concerned with that one single bit (and don't get why some are concerned as much as they are about this). I mean the playoffs had fans, obviously playoffs are going to be tougher games anyways. The crowd/fans aspect simply has nothing to do with his play imo as far as him regressing, or the notion he played well because of no fans. Edited June 3, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Kiko Alonso 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rk_Bills86 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 I expect Allen to be slightly better this year. Another year of adjusting his form and getting it to be muscle memory, an actual off-season with his WR. Our O-Line hopefully getting to practice together prior to the season. Adjustments being made to fix the run game (hopefully). With an extra game, I expect him to hit 5000 yards passing this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, K-9 said: The next hurdle for Allen and the entire team, actually, is playing under the weight of raised expectations. Nice problem to have, but it can ratchet up the pressure when things don’t go well. Think ‘89 Bills. Hmmmm - a 2020's version of the Bickering Bills!!!! I would take that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 I don't believe Allen is near his peak and I don't see any evidence to support this idea that his success last year was a result of less fans in the stands... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Rousseau would be a pretty big hurdle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Hmmmm - a 2020's version of the Bickering Bills!!!! I would take that!!! I could do without the bickering, but yeah, the events of ‘89 served to galvanize that team and Jim finally decided to grow up. Not that Allen needs much growing up as he’s light years ahead of Kelly in the maturity department at the same age. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Arm Arrogance 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: 1. Get to a Superbowl 2. Win a Superbowl That is not a JA hurdle but thank you for trying to divert thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 He really needs to give up on his dream of growing facial hair. Let it go, man. It ain't happenin'. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: That is not a JA hurdle but thank you for trying to divert thread. What NFL starting QB does not have getting to and winning a SuperBowl as their primary goal or hurdle as the leader of the team? How is this "diverting" the thread? I would almost guarantee you if Josh Allen himself was asked this topic ? he would answer it the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 I’d still contend during the playoffs (especially the Chiefs game) the moments still look too big for him. Not something he can’t overcome. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 56 minutes ago, K-9 said: The next hurdle for Allen and the entire team, actually, is playing under the weight of raised expectations. Nice problem to have, but it can ratchet up the pressure when things don’t go well. Think ‘89 Bills. Agree, it’s a team issue. If our D neutralized Mahomes the way Tampa did, I fully believe we would have been in the Super Bowl. The KC loss was a team failure. Instead the narrative became Brady beating Mahomes, when in reality the Bucs team beat KC. 1 minute ago, Another Fan said: I’d still contend during the playoffs (especially the Chiefs game) the moments still look too big for him. Not something he can’t overcome. I agree with this, I also think it doesn’t help calm Allen when the team around him is falling apart. It’s like we completely lose all our fundamentals when playing KC. The receivers drop passes, guys are missing blocks, and Allen comes unglued. Hopefully Allen and the team can overcome that, although even a guy like Brady looked rattled in a couple Super Bowls imo. That’s what happens when the team falls apart in unison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Yes there is another hurdle for Josh Allen to make. That huddle is performing well regardless of the game plan. Well all know Josh Allen perform well when he has to drop back 35-45 in a game. What I would like to see more from Josh is for him to perform well when the game plan is to RUN 30 times a game and just complete key third downs. The one thing about Brady that made him more dangerous than Peyton Manning was that Brady could execute whether he had to throw it 20 or 50 times in a game. Thats what made playing to Pat's so tough was because they could run it down your throat or air you out. Peyton was wired that he had to throw the ball 50 times a game even when he had great running backs I feel like Josh can do it. I just hope the running game improves to the point where if teams decide to go light in the box when can run it down teams throats when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) He really need to add to his list of tecmo bowl celebrations Edited June 3, 2021 by The Wiz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Yes... PFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: That's a big myth. Allen has always put up better #s on the road. If there's something Allen could improve on it's using his check down as a weapon more often. Getting to his check down quicker as well. Taking less hits. IMO this is a hurdle Josh can improve. It really comes in two parts. He developed a lot at not trying to win on every play last season. But he still doesn't see/take the checkdown at times, even when the player in question has a ton of green grass around him. But the other part is, I don't think he fully trusts the guys who are out there (Singletary, Knox) to be a safe outlet leading to a good play. So they have to develop too, or else give way to someone who can get it done. Hopefully he'll continue to mature here. 35 minutes ago, Protocal69 said: Yes there is another hurdle for Josh Allen to make. That huddle is performing well regardless of the game plan. Well all know Josh Allen perform well when he has to drop back 35-45 in a game. What I would like to see more from Josh is for him to perform well when the game plan is to RUN 30 times a game and just complete key third downs. The Bills had 3 games with 25 or less passing attempts last season (1st NE, Chargers, and 2nd Miami). We won all 3. The MIA game he only played a half, but seems to me he performed pretty well in the other 2 games where we rushed 38 and 30 times, respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 The major things I saw from last year: Cutting down on fumbles. Getting a little too "amped up" for the major games. I saw his emotions run away with him on a couple of occasions. Keep cutting down on the tendency to "hero ball" and expose himself to unnecessary hits. He's a young guy so these things are to be expected and will get better with time so long as he focuses on being more disciplined. Looking at the HOF QB's I see one trait that gets overlooked: Most of the time they take what the defense gives them. The best QB's will always find a hole in the defense, so it's rare for them to have to put the team on their shoulders. So the next step is to become the "field general" and I have no doubt that's exactly what he'll do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Yeah, the Lombardi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Real McNasty said: What NFL starting QB does not have getting to and winning a SuperBowl as their primary goal or hurdle as the leader of the team? How is this "diverting" the thread? I would almost guarantee you if Josh Allen himself was asked this topic ? he would answer it the same. That is a team hurdle not a player hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Limeaid said: That is a team hurdle not a player hurdle. Wow you’re really trying to keep this thread reigned in. This JA hurdle vs. team hurdle really seems to be a hard sticking point for you. Any chance you’ll actually provide an opinion or are you just here to police others on theirs? Edited June 3, 2021 by Bobby Hooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 I want to see Josh beat those teams that have been kryptonite to him. The Chiefs and the Titans. Both of those games are on the road, as well as back to back again this year. With his game, I want to see him utilize the check down so he doesn't get hit like others mentioned. Sometimes it's ok to take a 4 yard dump-off versus taking an unnecessary shot. 17 games is a lot of football and we need him healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 I'd like to see him get better about not subjecting himself to as many big hits, or taking hits at awkward angles. This is a tough one because he's made so many great plays when keeping a play alive after it's blown up. And he definitely got a lot better about this last year, but there were still times where you'd like to see him just get rid of the ball and come back for another play. I think he reverts to this more when games are not going well—KC, Tennessee, etc. I think about the Chargers game where Bosa was in the backfield right after the snap and Josh tried to stiff arm him and got rolled up in a bad-looking way. I wasn't sure he was going to get up from that. Or in the Raiders game where he made that 8 yard shovel pass while being tackled and ended up dislocating his shoulder. I think he's got the mentality that he can take on anyone in the NFL. That's not a bad trait, but you have to be smart about it. Again, I don't think you want to reign in the leash on him and make him play to not get hurt. You want him to go out there and do what he does. But there's a reason guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. have had such long careers—they're excellent at limiting the hits they take. 2 hours ago, Gugny said: He really needs to give up on his dream of growing facial hair. Let it go, man. It ain't happenin'. Nah, he's still got time. He's young. A lot of guys don't hit their peak facial hair growth until they are in their 30s. I work for a men's grooming company. We see it all the time—guys who couldn't grow much facial hair in their early twenties who end up with massive beards and handlebar mustaches in their 30s and 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, H2o said: I want to see Josh beat those teams that have been kryptonite to him. The Chiefs and the Titans. Both of those games are on the road, as well as back to back again this year. With his game, I want to see him utilize the check down so he doesn't get hit like others mentioned. Sometimes it's ok to take a 4 yard dump-off versus taking an unnecessary shot. 17 games is a lot of football and we need him healthy. I'm not sure how Josh will beat the Titans I mean just look at his record against them 2-1 terrible.🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Would like to seem him hurdle Barr again! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I'm not sure how Josh will beat the Titans I mean just look at his record against them 2-1 terrible.🙄 Oh, yeah, his combined total of 300 yards passing in those two games and his 13-12/14-7 victories against Marcus Mariota were totally outstanding performances. Tannehill and the Titans whooped Josh's a** and took his lunch money last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Would like to seem him hurdle Barr again! You stole my line 😀 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: Arm Arrogance Does he need more or less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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