Solomon Grundy Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 3:19 PM, wppete said: EJ Manuel was a great pick 😭 I think I was his official hype man on this board!! I still think he could’ve been a decent QB in the league but was destroyed by the incompetence of the coaching staff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I have quite a few to choose from but thinking that Rob Johnson would become a great QB was the worst of them. BTW, has BADOL posted in this thread yet? 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I thought the 2019 Packers would be lousy and they would need to consider taking a QB in the ‘20 draft. I was half right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I wanted the Bills to keep Chris Burkett over Andre Reed and that Frank Reich sucked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 5/3/2021 at 4:10 AM, Arm of Harm said: Rob Johnson is also on my list of bad takes. He had the right physical tools and if you gave him time in the pocket he was accurate, especially on intermediate to deep passes. But he was slow at processing information and was a sack waiting to happen. I sometimes wonder what his career would have been like if he’d gone to the Ravens after being cut by the Bills. The Ravens had a great OL, anchored by Hall of Fame LT Jon Ogden. They needed a QB. So . . . maybe? At least he’d have had plenty of time to throw. Yeah, after Rob Johnson left I still thought he would get himself together and be a star. This illustrates just how sold I was on him. Then, I was at a Bills game at RWS when he was on the Redskins. Their QB was injured and RJ came in. He was absolutely awful, and he was sacked several times. Once, Schobel hit him SO hard that I was concerned for his health. RJ was big and had a great arm. He was accurate and his ball looked easy to catch. He was even a fast runner. This made it hard for me to see how bad he in fact was. After RJ, I was never fooled by another QB other than Edwards, and this only for a few games. I think I was WAY ahead of the pack knowing just how terrible Losman was. The play was over every time he rolled to his right lol! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 That Gregggggg Williams would be an improvement over Wade-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Well I wasn’t team Allen at all to the point when he was drafted I left the party I was at and went home. Whoops! But on here I wanted Micah Hyde for his performance the 1st half of last year. The funniest was when I “guaranteed” there was no way the Bills and Chiefs would play at night last season and two days later it leaked that the game was on Thursday Night Football haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 1:53 PM, IBTG81 said: That Rob Johnson was going to be a mega star. When the deal 1st hit the news I looked up Rob's career in college & at Jacksonville and came to one conclusion. The 1st thing I posted here I titled the thread "Rob Johnson, the sacked man" because it was pretty evident he held on to the ball too long for his own good & had a high % of being sacked. Then I Iistened to Wade & Butler and they convinced me I was wrong and I was on Rob's side during the QB controversy. In the end it turned out my 1st impression was correct & worse than just taking sacks, he was injury prone & you never knew if he'd be available week to week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: ...he was injury prone & you never knew if he'd be available week to week. We would hear 'week to week', but they actually were saying "weak, too weak!" Edited May 6, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Punctuation. It saves lives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Yeah, after Rob Johnson left I still thought he would get himself together and be a star. This illustrates just how sold I was on him. Then, I was at a Bills game at RWS when he was on the Redskins. Their QB was injured and RJ came in. He was absolutely awful, and he was sacked several times. Once, Schobel hit him SO hard that I was concerned for his health. RJ was big and had a great arm. He was accurate and his ball looked easy to catch. He was even a fast runner. This made it hard for me to see how bad he in fact was. After RJ, I was never fooled by another QB other than Edwards, and this only for a few games. I think I was WAY ahead of the pack knowing just how terrible Losman was. The play was over every time he rolled to his right lol! Rj was an unmatched sack taking machine. In 98 he had an absurd 21.3% sack rate in like 5 games. His other 2 seasons starting, he was comfortably around 13-14. Tyrod would take them too, but no one could get sacked quite like rob Johnson. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 6 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Yeah, after Rob Johnson left I still thought he would get himself together and be a star. This illustrates just how sold I was on him. I was in a bar of Bills Backers outside Philly when he came in and threw for like 115 yards in his first quarter of play. We were all going nuts in this room high fiving, SALVATION had arrived, etc. Boy was I wrong. Give him a little credit, he did everything he could to win that Homerun Throw-Forward game against a good defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I'll also cop to being on the Rosen > Allen train (thankfully most of us survived the derailment though). That's probably #1, when you consider just how wrong I was on both ends of it. But dishonorable mention goes to me thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire. I figured that our D had been really good under Pettine in 2013(?), so it could be just as good or better under Ryan, and I thought that under the showy exterior he was a good coach who consistently won football games. None of that was anywhere close to being right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Just now, Cash said: I'll also cop to being on the Rosen > Allen train (thankfully most of us survived the derailment though). That's probably #1, when you consider just how wrong I was on both ends of it. But dishonorable mention goes to me thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire. I figured that our D had been really good under Pettine in 2013(?), so it could be just as good or better under Ryan, and I thought that under the showy exterior he was a good coach who consistently won football games. None of that was anywhere close to being right. Yeah, i tried to like rex ryan too. Woops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, dneveu said: Rj was an unmatched sack taking machine. In 98 he had an absurd 21.3% sack rate in like 5 games. His other 2 seasons starting, he was comfortably around 13-14. Tyrod would take them too, but no one could get sacked quite like rob Johnson. I was at the 1997 Ravens home opener against the Jags (afternoon game after Todd Collins and the Bills laid an egg against the Vikings), he looked great in his one big game (got hurt though, go figure). https://fs64sports.blogspot.com/2013/08/1997-rob-johnson-rallies-jaguars-to-win.html?m=1 When we traded for him, I wasn’t exactly jumping up & down but I was excited to see what he would do. Didn’t take me long to move to Team Flutie. Edited May 6, 2021 by Rico 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, John Adams said: I was in a bar of Bills Backers outside Philly when he came in and threw for like 115 yards in his first quarter of play. We were all going nuts in this room high fiving, SALVATION had arrived, etc. Boy was I wrong. Give him a little credit, he did everything he could to win that Homerun Throw-Forward game against a good defense. I know he "did enough to win", and there were some questionable calls (kicking on 1st down with 20 seconds left - I know we had no timeouts... get a little creative and you can kick that as time expires - if there's 1-5 seconds on the clock kick it out of bounds and defend a hail mary). But it was a terrible game - 10/22 for 131, took 6 sacks and fumbled twice (lost one and the other was a safety). Sacked on more than 20% of drop backs, completed less than 50% of passes. His inability to evade pressure kept them behind the sticks all game. They had 46 yards at halftime, and 28 of them were rushing yards from the backs. So his 18 pass plays generated 18 yards. I don't even know how he came out and started the 2nd half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I make many mistakes. Some of them: I though Rob Johnson had what it took to be great. Later I thought J.P. Losman, though not great, could be a consistent starter. I hated to see CJ Spiller go. Later I hated to see Sammy Watkins go. In the beginning I thought all McDermott's and Beane's talk about "Trust the Process" amounted to nothing more than "We're always right, don't ever question us." It sounded like hot air to me, just another way to deflect criticism from two guys who stripped the team of talent and were out of their depth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 That Tom Donahoe was going to be the best GM in Bills history 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Two stand out for me: 1) Rob Johnson. I still think it was probably the right choice to start him against Tennessee, but I was way too confident in his ability to be a top-flight QB going forward. 2) I don't remember exactly when I thought this, but I felt really good about Trent Edwards at one point. Then he got concussed and sucked from then on. Not sure if it was the concussion or he always sucked and the concussion was just a coincidence, but either way I was way off here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: Two stand out for me: 1) Rob Johnson. I still think it was probably the right choice to start him against Tennessee, but I was way too confident in his ability to be a top-flight QB going forward. 2) I don't remember exactly when I thought this, but I felt really good about Trent Edwards at one point. Then he got concussed and sucked from then on. Not sure if it was the concussion or he always sucked and the concussion was just a coincidence, but either way I was way off here. Regarding Johnson... I just couldn't get behind it. It was a tremendously poor first half, and I still can't believe he came out to start the 2nd half. Worst offensive output of the season yardage wise. Meddling owner cost the team a shot at a super bowl. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 3 hours ago, John Adams said: I was in a bar of Bills Backers outside Philly when he came in and threw for like 115 yards in his first quarter of play. We were all going nuts in this room high fiving, SALVATION had arrived, etc. Boy was I wrong. Give him a little credit, he did everything he could to win that Homerun Throw-Forward game against a good defense. I happened to be in a sports bar and saw the a game he played with Tampa Bay. Please trust me, he was perfect. He was throwing great, accurate passes and they upset the team they were playing. Worse yet, I saw one of his college games in which he was also great. So great that I wanted the Bills to draft him but ya know, he lasted until the 1st pick of the 4th round. Sometimes the scouts are right. Anyway, Wade HAD to have seen the Tampa game that I saw. I remember him at a press conference welcoming in the "Rob Johnson Era." Seriously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Brad Banks was the best QB in the 2003 draft class - he went undrafted. QBs drafted: Carson Palmer Byron Leftwich Kyle Boller Rex Grossman Dave Ragone Chris Simms Seneca Wallace Brain St. Pierre Drew Henson Brooks Bollinger Kilff Kingsbury Gibran Hamdan Ken Dorsey In hindsight, those drafted only accounted for 3 more pro bowls than Brad or I earned... so it wasn't that far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I think the Sabres are going to be good this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 20 hours ago, skibum said: When Mahomes was drafted, I thought he was a guaranteed bust. He and Trubisky were the QBs that I did not want in that class. Mahommes college game wouldn't translate to the NFL where players are bigger and faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The Chroisen One! Is that like having 'the Kavorka'? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 20 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Tom Brady is done/falling off the cliff this year… He is falling up the cliff this year. It was discovered the TB12 has side effects other than soft balls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 that Jimmy Grapes was bound for HOF..........oh boy not on track as of now. But for a hot minute he could do no wrong when he first got to the Niners and was sling/n and winn'n. Won his first 7 starts including first 5 with a Niners team that looked very avg.. I thought he elevated them like a star QB can. Injury with Niners maybe set him back but he has fallen back to below mid level avg now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 "Rex Ryan is at least going to make our top-tier defense godlike." ...still hurts to admit I said that. XD 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DasNootz said: Brad Banks was the best QB in the 2003 draft class - he went undrafted. QBs drafted: Carson Palmer Byron Leftwich Kyle Boller Rex Grossman Dave Ragone Chris Simms Seneca Wallace Brain St. Pierre Drew Henson Brooks Bollinger Kilff Kingsbury Gibran Hamdan Ken Dorsey In hindsight, those drafted only accounted for 3 more pro bowls than Brad or I earned... so it wasn't that far off. This reminds me of the time I read the draft reports on a Division III record breaking QB from Mount Union College. I thought he was at worst a 3rd round pick. He went undrafted and bounced around some practice squads and in 1996 won a championship in the World League. In 1997 the Bills signed him & I was sure he was going to be the Bills starting QB for years. In August 1997 I went to the only preseason game I've ever been to because I wanted to see him play & cheer him on as the next great Bills QB. He never made the Bills 53 man roster. His name is Jim Ballard. This is him nowadays. https://ballardquarterbackacademy.com/who-we-are Edited May 6, 2021 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 hours ago, dneveu said: Regarding Johnson... I just couldn't get behind it. It was a tremendously poor first half, and I still can't believe he came out to start the 2nd half. Worst offensive output of the season yardage wise. Meddling owner cost the team a shot at a super bowl. What people forget is that the Bills lost both of their starting offensive tackles just before the game. The Titans pass rush was a complete jail break like what Mahomes saw in the Super Bowl against Tampa. Now perhaps with no pass blocking, playing Flutie was the better call under the circumstance...........but Flutie was pathetic moving the ball that year...........they were on the road in the first place because of his two terrible home losses to feeble NYG and Raiders teams that he couldn't pass against. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) I thought getting a Super Bowl QB like Vince Ferragamo was going to help us be a lot better in 1985. Then I remember being happy to see Bruce Mathison take his place. Edited May 6, 2021 by Rico 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I loved the commitment to building up in trenches when we went OT Michael Williams #4 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 5 hours ago, dneveu said: Regarding Johnson... I just couldn't get behind it. It was a tremendously poor first half, and I still can't believe he came out to start the 2nd half. Worst offensive output of the season yardage wise. Meddling owner cost the team a shot at a super bowl. Prior to Johnson’s “did enough to win” drive, that was probably the worst NFL QB performance I had ever seen. I’m over it, but I will go to my grave thinking that we win that game with Flutie, and quite possibly make the Super Bowl. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 I was on board with Rex Ryan at first. Enthusiastic actually. wow How'd that work out for me. By the time he brought his brother in and had surgery to remove his lap band, I was throwing up thinking about how seriously wrong I was. considered living in the woods alone for a year or two to find myself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Wrong Josh I will never live that down but will gladly live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 EJ could have been good was one for sure. The other was a comparison to trends concussion compared to Tim Connollys that was basically me saying Connolly was a kitty cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 I thought the 2008 Bills were legitimately AFC title contenders. Runner up: thought Steve Spurrier was going to be a great NFL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Really hated the Ed Oliver pick , called him the biggest bust of the draft that didn’t go very well with 99% on this board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Putin said: Really hated the Ed Oliver pick , called him the biggest bust of the draft that didn’t go very well with 99% on this board Really? Thats all you got? Ed isnt even a proven comodity yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Zay Jones was an absolute steal where we got him at in the draft, and he would play 10+ seasons as a Buffalo Bill. 💩 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 hours ago, BillsFan692 said: Really? Thats all you got? Ed isnt even a proven comodity yet. But he sure as hell isn't the biggest bust in that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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