Zach Ertz about to be traded? [Edit: or Not]

[Mr. K]

3 minutes ago, akcash said:

I could see a draft day trade. Ertz and 2nd for Tremaine Edmund's. Draft Zaven Collins at 30.

This is make it or break it year for Tremaine. I feel like a more productive d line in front of him would make a world of difference and all that means is that he isn't a top 10 superstar. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Aussie Joe]

NFL Talk must be reading TBD

[Governor]

The Mitch can be fixed. Bears fans say he can’t process and do pre-snap reads. That may be true, but it always looked to me like he was playing in the wrong style offense. We finally get to see.

[ToBillsFan]

47 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think Ertz would be the Kroft replacement and Knox remains the #1

Sarcasm?

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, ToBillsFan said:

Sarcasm?

No, I think they like Knox 

[4merper4mer]

4 minutes ago, ToBillsFan said:

Sarcasm?

It might be sarcasm.  It might be Sweeney as 2 and Hertz as 3.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, The Governor said:

The Mitch can be fixed. Bears fans say he can’t process and do pre-snap reads. That may be true, but it always looked to me like he was playing in the wrong style offense. We finally get to see.

 

https://theathletic.com/2461640/2021/03/18/as-mitch-trubisky-heads-to-the-bills-what-will-the-bears-regret/

 

Though, I don't think the author has a clue about what kind of offense Josh Allen is actually running two lakes to the East.

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Take the offense we saw in September and then December this past season: Trubisky under center, lots of play-action, rollouts, cutting the field in half while complementing a productive run game. What if that was the offense Nagy decided to install in 2019? It never would have happened. That’s not Nagy’s preferred style of offense, nor would it have been Helfrich’s, who was still the offensive coordinator.

But that’s what seemed to fit Trubisky best, and it was implemented in a fragmented offseason with limited practice and split reps in a quarterback competition.

 

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it sure seemed to align better with what Trubisky did well, even if he had spent his entire football career in the shotgun, than what we saw in 2019.

During the 2019 season when things were going awry, anyone could turn on a Bills game and see a quarterback with Allen’s skill set and wonder how Trubisky would fare in an offense like that. We could see what that would mean this fall.

 

With the references to "play under center" (40% last year, 30% this year) vs. "from shotgun" and a "productive run game", I kind of wonder what Bills team this guy was watching. 

 

But I guess we'll see if he can process and do pre-snap reads or not.  Doubt they'd be bringing him in if they thought that he couldn't.

 

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I have been wrong about just every FA

move by the Bills, so I expect this will be no different. But my view is they have no interest in trading for Ertz or really paying him. They are thinking Knox is better, and may just look to bring in a solid #2 blocking type.

 

I think McDermott likes to have a veteran in every room, so I think the Bills are sincerely interested in Ertz or a different vet TE - but only at their price.

[Logic]

40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I’ve been thinking the Colts might swoop in and get Ertz.

 

They have Carson Wentz, Frank Reich, and a bunch of cap space.

 

Despite all the speculation that Buffalo is the favorite to land him, my money’s on Indy.

 

Bills wind up with Darren Fells. 🙄

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Yolo, any notion who is behind these @NFL_Talk_Sports and @NFLrums accounts?  Are they generally considered to have any credibility?

 

 

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

I’ve been thinking the Colts might swoop in and get Ertz.

They have Carson Wentz, Frank Reich, and a bunch of cap space.

Despite all the speculation that Buffalo is the favorite to land him, my money’s on Indy.

Bills wind up with Darren Fells. 🙄

 

Do you think Ertz would want to go play for Carson Wentz at QB again?  They kind of weren't lighting up the stadium last season.

 

And would Ertz have any leverage if "no"?

 

On the other hand....Ertz might welcome a reunion with Frank Reich. 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I have been wrong about just every FA

move by the Bills, so I expect this will be no different. But my view is they have no interest in trading for Ertz or really paying him. They are thinking Knox is better, and may just look to bring in a solid #2 blocking type.

I don’t think anyone in the league thinks Knox is better, and the bills just traded their blocker.

[Governor]

21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

https://theathletic.com/2461640/2021/03/18/as-mitch-trubisky-heads-to-the-bills-what-will-the-bears-regret/

 

Though, I don't think the author has a clue about what kind of offense Josh Allen is actually running two lakes to the East.

 

 

With the references to "play under center" (40% last year, 30% this year) vs. "from shotgun" and a "productive run game", I kind of wonder what Bills team this guy was watching. 

 

But I guess we'll see if he can process and do pre-snap reads or not.  Doubt they'd be bringing him in if they thought that he couldn't.

 

 

I think McDermott likes to have a veteran in every room, so I think the Bills are sincerely interested in Ertz or a different vet TE - but only at their price.

Thanks for posting that.

 

To me, Mitch doesn’t  look like a guy that can zip the ball into tight windows like they wanted. Sometimes he could, but it never really looked like it felt natural to him. 

[Lothar]

Ertz's 5 best years would be the 5 best TE years in Bills history. If he comes here, he's the No. 1. Management loves Knox and they're counting on him to develop but Ertz will affect defensive gameplans this year.

[Rubes]

2 minutes ago, The Governor said:

Thanks for posting that.

 

To me, Mitch doesn’t  look like a guy that can zip the ball into tight windows like they wanted. Sometimes he could, but it never really looked like it felt natural to him. 

I think I agree. One of the things that makes Josh so successful in this offense is his ability to improvise while gunning the ball into tight windows. I haven’t seen that from Trubisky so far, but I guess we’ll see.

 

[YoloinOhio]

20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yolo, any notion who is behind these @NFL_Talk_Sports and @NFLrums accounts?  Are they generally considered to have any credibility?

 

 

 

Do you think Ertz would want to go play for Carson Wentz at QB again?  They kind of weren't lighting up the stadium last season.

 

And would Ertz have any leverage if "no"?

 

On the other hand....Ertz might welcome a reunion with Frank Reich. 

I don’t know, I generally dismiss them but someone was posting their stuff last week here and they seemed to be in the know

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, The Governor said:

Thanks for posting that.

To me, Mitch doesn’t  look like a guy that can zip the ball into tight windows like they wanted. Sometimes he could, but it never really looked like it felt natural to him. 

 

I haven't watched Trubisky that much, but I thought the "word" on him was that his arm wasn't that strong

[SECRET SQUIRREL]

49 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

It might be sarcasm.  It might be Sweeney as 2 and Hertz as 3.

They just declared bankruptcy, not sure it's a good fit on this team, pass.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

41 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I don’t think anyone in the league thinks Knox is better, and the bills just traded their blocker.

No one thinks Knox is better...yet. I am sure there are people that think it’s only a matter of time, and the comments by the Bills coaches, FO, and other players makes it sound like Knox is on the verge.

 

I don’t think anyone disputes that knox’s athleticism is off the charts— Ertz couldn’t compare even when Ertz was the same age, let alone now. Knox just needs to figure out how to play TE. 
 

Lot of TE’s take a few years to figure things out. For example, people were desperate for Jonnu Smith— his first two years in the league were pretty comparable to Knox’s first two. 
 

I am just of them view that the Bills think very highly of Knox such that they aren’t going to be breaking the bank to trade and sign Ertz. 

[Logic]

14 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

No one thinks Knox is better...yet. I am sure there are people that think it’s only a matter of time, and the comments by the Bills coaches, FO, and other players makes it sound like Knox is on the verge.

 

I don’t think anyone disputes that knox’s athleticism is off the charts— Ertz couldn’t compare even when Ertz was the same age, let alone now. Knox just needs to figure out how to play TE. 
 

Lot of TE’s take a few years to figure things out. For example, people were desperate for Jonnu Smith— his first two years in the league were pretty comparable to Knox’s first two. 
 

I am just of them view that the Bills think very highly of Knox such that they aren’t going to be breaking the bank to trade and sign Ertz. 

I agree that the Bills think highly of Knox. I also think they want a savvy veteran to come in and teach him from the field. They recently engaged in talks with Greg Olsen, Rob Gronkowski, and Kyle Rudolph. We know they're at least exploring an Ertz trade. Common denominator among these players? Savvy veterans who can block as well as catch. Knox needs help with both the former and the latter. 

I also think he would be more effective as more of a move tight end/H-Back. Picture him in Reggie Gilliam's role. Bringing in a Zach Ertz would allow Knox to move around the field, providing a matchup nightmare chess piece for Brian Daboll. 

As much as I think they like Knox, I think this is also something of a "make it or break it" season for him with regards to being an impact starter. Raw or not, this will be his third season, and the Bills championship window is open NOW. The Bills can't put themselves in a position where if Knox DOESN'T put it all together, they've got nothing in the cupboard.
 

Edited March 19, 2021 by Logic

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

I agree that the Bills think highly of Knox. I also think they want a savvy veteran to come in and teach him from the field. They recently engaged in talks with Greg Olsen, Rob Gronkowski, and Kyle Rudolph. We know they're at least exploring an Ertz trade. Common denominator among these players? Savvy veterans who can block as well as catch. Knox needs help with both the former and the latter. 

I also think he would be more effective as more of a move tight end/H-Back. Picture him in Reggie Gilliam's role. Bringing in a Zach Ertz would allow Knox to move around the field, providing a matchup nightmare chess piece for Brian Daboll. 

As much as I think they like Knox, I think this is also something of a "make it or break it" season for him with regards to being an impact starter. Raw or not, this will be his third season, and the Bills championship window is open NOW. The Bills can't put themselves in a position where if Knox DOESN'T put it all together, they've got nothing in the cupboard.
 

Well said. I agree with all of this, and what you say makes sense and aligns with the high expectations the Bills have in Knox.

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think Ertz would be the Kroft replacement and Knox remains the #1

👀👀👀

[Brennan Huff]

I can’t believe I keep coming to this thread expecting to find some real news...

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

I can’t believe I keep coming to this thread expecting to find some real news...

 

Big Baller Beane trying to wait them out

 

 

Edited March 19, 2021 by Aussie Joe

[US Egg]

16 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

I can’t believe I keep coming to this thread expecting to find some real news...

Time for another stadium naming right thread?

[machine gun kelly]

I thought we were the Toilet Bowl.

 

I feel so clean, I just want to go again.  😏🏈

 

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Big Baller Beane trying to wait them out

 

 

CBS reported they want a 3rd or 4th.  Beane’s just waiting for them to cut him.  The Eagles are still $4.5 mil. over so we’ll see.

Edited March 19, 2021 by machine gun kelly

[Aussie Joe]

10 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

 

CBS reported they want a 3rd or 4th.  Beane’s just waiting for them to cut him.  The Eagles are still $4.5 mil. over so we’ll see.

The TE market has been hot so I think they will need to give up a pick...I think a 5th is as high as they should go 

[BruceVilanch]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am sure there are people that think it’s only a matter of time

I'm one of those people, I think he will have a very nice 2021, I still want Ertz though.

2 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

I can’t believe I keep coming to this thread expecting to find some real news...

well the last one you were on you finally figured out who Cynthia Frelund was, so there's hope for you yet!

[Governor]

16 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

The TE market has been hot so I think they will need to give up a pick...I think a 5th is as high as they should go 

That’s not gonna get it done but we should be fine with that. It’s not a life or death signing. 

[Watkins101]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Maybe we draft  Pat Freiermuth from Penn State, definitely has potential as an athletic pass catcher.

 

is TJ Hockenson available? Also has he done anything in Detroit, he was a studd in college?

 

 

He actually had a solid year last year, so I doubt it. 67 catches, 723 yards, and 6 touchdowns.

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I thought we were the Toilet Bowl.

 

I feel so clean, I just want to go again.  😏🏈

 

CBS reported they want a 3rd or 4th.  Beane’s just waiting for them to cut him.  The Eagles are still $4.5 mil. over so we’ll see.

Didn’t the Eagles need to get under the cap by Wednesday?  I don’t understand the NFL’s rules.

[machine gun kelly]

Honestly Strive, I’m sure someone will enlighten but as of midnight on Spotrac, they were -$4.5mil.  The rules as they’ve been explained to me was the league starts shedding players for you if you don’t do it yourself.  I swear this issue is brought up almost daily on NFLR.  Being in sales and Mgmt, I’m in the car all day long.  I’d rather listen to to WGR (at least when they are talking Bills) or NFLR, than to music.

 

So good question as Spotrac is on it almost in real time once.  One of the capologists on this board smarter than me will enlighten us.  It’s why I brought it up as I was expecting someone to help.  I just opened Spotrac Eagles again and numbers haven’t changed.  It’s funny  if the Eagles release him they save $4.7 of the listed deficit $4.85.  Other teams will fly to pick him up as they can rework his deal.  
 

So capologists, please enlighten us.  BTW the $4.85 is the estimated top 51.

3 hours ago, Watkins101 said:

He actually had a solid year last year, so I doubt it. 67 catches, 723 yards, and 6 touchdowns.

He’d be great, but I doubt they are open to a trade, and they eat a lot of dead cap to trade him.

[Reed83HOF]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I haven't watched Trubisky that much, but I thought the "word" on him was that his arm wasn't that strong

Accuracy or lack therof

[CSBill]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Once he hears we signed Trubisky, he'll be on the next flight to Buffalo.

[Mcdermott]

41 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Didn’t the Eagles need to get under the cap by Wednesday?  I don’t understand the NFL’s rules.

They do, and were under. They did not need to move Ertz to get under. There doesn’t seem to be a site that tracks NFL numbers on real time. In hockey, there are multiple sites that do. I have yet to find one for football and it may have to do with how easy it is to maneuver around the cap.

[machine gun kelly]

Thanks as Hap brought this up on Addison for us, so Spotrac must be delayed.  It doesn’t surprise me given the activity this week.

 

Sorry for the confusion Strive.  I knew someone would clear it up.

Edited March 19, 2021 by machine gun kelly

[Hebert19]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I haven't watched Trubisky that much, but I thought the "word" on him was that his arm wasn't that strong

He has a great arm.  My buddy is a bears fan and I've watch a bunch of his games. 

 

He has very similar tools as allen.  Size.   Good runner.  And strong arm.  

 

What he lacks is a lot of what Josh did.  Mechanics break down under pressure leading to inaccurate throws.  1 read usually but takes safe throws unlock josh.  Honestly the offense they had him in sucked.    I this offense with some runs and movement he would be pretty decent. I've said this to my buddy for 2 years. 

[Einstein's Dog]

5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

The TE market has been hot so I think they will need to give up a pick...I think a 5th is as high as they should go 

That was my original thought but now I'm panicking.  I think a vet TE1 would be the biggest, easiest way to improve last years squad (which was already good).  Ertz is pretty much all I see left (Rudolf/Henry/JSmith/Gronk - all gone).

 

Bad year not to have a 4th.  Maybe Beane can figure a way to meet them half way and get this done.  There is still competition out there - Colts/Carolina.  I'd like to see Beane just compromise and wrap this up quickly.  

[Royale with Cheese]

Hopefully the hold up is a restructuring of a few contracts to clear up some room.

I think it's been talked about that Tre White, Jerry Hughes and maybe Dawkins could be good options?  Something like converted their money to a bonus or something?

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

This on the latest is also on our News tab, but I thought deserves to be highlighted in the thread:

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2021/03/nfl-trade-rumors-bills-wont-up-offer-for-eagles-zach-ertz-report.html

 

At least the Chargers with Cook's signing may also be less likely to reach now for Ertz and box us out, we'll see. Who blinks first?  

[HOUSE]

4 days waiting in the Philadelphia airport...