Sundancer Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 This offense is good. If they get him, that’s amazing. If not, it’s ok. Beane needs to save some money for some defensive help. The defense is no better today than they were last season, and they were bad last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I've seen popes chosen in less time...🤨 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 34 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: That was my original thought but now I'm panicking. I think a vet TE1 would be the biggest, easiest way to improve last years squad (which was already good). Ertz is pretty much all I see left (Rudolf/Henry/JSmith/Gronk - all gone). Bad year not to have a 4th. Maybe Beane can figure a way to meet them half way and get this done. There is still competition out there - Colts/Carolina. I'd like to see Beane just compromise and wrap this up quickly. Philly likely wants a 4th, and we are offering one of our 5ths or maybe even a 6th. That is the hold up. LAC were probably offering the same for a player in the last year of his contract who won't be back with that team. Entirely on Philly.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Philly likely wants a 4th, and we are offering one of our 5ths or maybe even a 6th. That is the hold up. LAC were probably offering the same for a player in the last year of his contract who won't be back with that team. Entirely on Philly.... We don’t even have a fourth! One thing that COULD happen is the following: The Bills trade from the 30 slot down to, say, the 36th slot on draft night and get a 4th in return. They then use that 4th to swing the trade for Ertz. As Beane said yesterday, you have to be patient in these situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: I can’t believe I keep coming to this thread expecting to find some real news... Joe Marino said on locked on bills podcast today that Beane is waiting out roseman who will either eventually cave because he’s a bad GM, or ertz will go elsewhere and Beane will say “oh well” and move on because he doesn’t “need” him he’s just a piece of what is a WR-Centric offense 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Joe Marino said on locked on bills podcast today that Beane is waiting out roseman who will either eventually cave because he’s a bad GM, or ertz will go elsewhere and Beane will say “oh well” and move on because he doesn’t “need” him he’s just a piece of what is a WR-Centric offense I have to agree with him 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 So where do we think we are with this? Philly probably started at a 2nd rounder (yes, I know) and Beane was thinking a 5th. Philly has probably come down to a 3rd and Beane a 4th. Is a 3rd rounder worth 8-12 TD’s next year? I’d say so. What 3rd rounder could we draft that would give us that kind of production? None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I take no issue of moving a 4th for Ertz. I dont love the player but he's an upgrade and look at most 4th round rookie picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, DJB said: I take no issue of moving a 4th for Ertz. I dont love the player but he's an upgrade and look at most 4th round rookie picks. We have no 4th this year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Governor said: So where do we think we are with this? Philly probably started at a 2nd rounder (yes, I know) and Beane was thinking a 5th. Philly has probably come down to a 3rd and Beane a 4th. Is a 3rd rounder worth 8-12 TD’s next year? I’d say so. What 3rd rounder could we draft that would give us that kind of production? None. You also have to add in the fact that that we'll have that 3rd rounder for 4 years at a super cheap rate, while Ertz will be a 1 year rental at a much higher price. And that 8-12 TDs is a bit of a stretch. LIkely, most of the TDs Ertz would score on this offense would have been rushing TDs last year by Josh. I'm not saying I'm against getting him, but a 3rd is pretty high, when you include everything else. Edited March 19, 2021 by Tenhigh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, H2o said: We have no 4th this year. Ah. That is likely the problem. Beane won’t do a 3rd. We aren’t getting him for less than a 3rd. They love the guy too much. They’ll get pelted with batteries if they don’t get fair compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, H2o said: We have no 4th this year. The fourth isn't with us?! 😳 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: The fourth isn't with us?! 😳 Not until May 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: The fourth isn't with us?! 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, H2o said: We have no 4th this year. We can't move a 4th next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yeah that’s pretty decent. But not really good. Agree, but man, Kelly, we've been in no man's land for so long I'd take decent, just to get us to the show. Edited March 19, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, Sundancer said: This offense is good. If they get him, that’s amazing. If not, it’s ok. Beane needs to save some money for some defensive help. The defense is no better today than they were last season, and they were bad last season. They were bad in the first half of the year...much improved and in the top 10 the 2nd half of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, DJB said: We can't move a 4th next year? I'm sure they would want immediate compensation as well. If we packaged next year's 4th with another pick, say a 5th, they might go for it. It's all up to Beane and I trust whatever he chooses to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, DJB said: We can't move a 4th next year? That's approximately the value of a 5th this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Any news on whether or not Engram from the Giants could be available via trade? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 @teef Can't we give them a 5th and teef? I mean, I love the guy, but seriously, I'd be willing to part with him. 🤣 🖖 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, The Governor said: Any news on whether or not Engram from the Giants could be available via trade? Last year of his deal and underwhelmed with injuries, but the talent and age is there! I’m all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: This offense is good. If they get him, that’s amazing. If not, it’s ok. Beane needs to save some money for some defensive help. The defense is no better today than they were last season, and they were bad last season. I get what you’re saying. I hope that they are able to add a good pass rusher this off-season. That said, they were much better in the second half of the year. And, we are getting Star back. We know how missed he was last year. I’m not saying our defense will be all world because of him but our defense will look different (and be better) next year with him in there again. Edited March 19, 2021 by BillsFan619 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: This offense is good. If they get him, that’s amazing. If not, it’s ok. Beane needs to save some money for some defensive help. The defense is no better today than they were last season, and they were bad last season. Buffalo finished with the 12th highest defensive DVOA and were significantly better in the latter half of the season. This was while dealing with injuries at various times to star players (White, Milano, Edmunds), no true 1 tech and several disappointments on the DL. So, on aggregate, they finished above average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said: I get what you’re saying. I hope that they are able to add a good pass rusher this off-season. That said, they were much better in the second half of the year. And, we are getting Star back. We know how missed he was last year. I’m not saying our defense will be all world because of him but our defense will look different next year with him in there again. A true lane clogger does wonders for this defense, and is the difference maker for Edmunds. Star is good at what he does, but my guess is we get another big boy in the draft.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Tenhigh said: A true lane clogger does wonders for this defense, and is the difference maker for Edmunds. Star is good at what he does, but my guess is we get another big boy in the draft.... Yeah, I'm pretty convinced Shelvin is going to be a Bill. Dude clogs lanes by existing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, The Governor said: Any news on whether or not Engram from the Giants could be available via trade? Giants said getting Rudolph has no bearing on Engram. Likely, going to play more two te personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 58 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: @teef Can't we give them a 5th and teef? I mean, I love the guy, but seriously, I'd be willing to part with him. 🤣 🖖 You say that until our depth runs out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Governor said: Ah. That is likely the problem. Beane won’t do a 3rd. We aren’t getting him for less than a 3rd. They love the guy too much. Ok... we don’t get him then so be it.... Edited March 19, 2021 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: We don’t even have a fourth! One thing that COULD happen is the following: The Bills trade from the 30 slot down to, say, the 36th slot on draft night and get a 4th in return. They then use that 4th to swing the trade for Ertz. As Beane said yesterday, you have to be patient in these situations. I know; I actually think a mid to late 4th would do it and that is the hang up. Our 5th is a 6th rd talent, the raiders pick is mid 5th. I would rather us use the late picks to move up to the 4th instead of trading back. Symantics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I know; I actually think a mid to late 4th would do it and that is the hang up. Our 5th is a 6th rd talent, the raiders pick is mid 5th. I would rather us use the late picks to move up to the 4th instead of trading back. Symantics... Totally depends on who the Bills have targeted and who is available at 30. If the people they like are gone, then you trade back. That's why this might go on until draft night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, teef said: You say that until our depth runs out. It was a smile or a trophy from me, teef, but you honestly deserved both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Totally depends on who the Bills have targeted and who is available at 30. If the people they like are gone, then you trade back. That's why this might go on until draft night. One question, does Philly have the room to sign their draft class? They will need much more room than us (rookie contracts will have a higher cost basis on the top 51)... Which could affect the timing to be sooner. Plus they may want to sign some lithe players who are FAs or soon to be cuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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r00tabaga Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Well that’s interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 My trade down scenario: Bills send Eagles: 61st pick (late 2nd round) and 175th pick (our second 5th round pick, we also have the 162nd pick in 5th). I’d even be willing to do the 162nd instead of the 175th if need be. Eagles send Bills: 70th pick (3rd round) and Zack Ertz. We trade back 9 spots and pick up Ertz giving up one of our 5th’s too. I would do this all day long to be honest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: My trade down scenario: Bills send Eagles: 61st pick (late 2nd round) and 175th pick (our second 5th round pick, we also have the 162nd pick in 5th). I’d even be willing to do the 162nd instead of the 175th if need be. Eagles send Bills: 70th pick (3rd round) and Zack Ertz. We trade back 9 spots and pick up Ertz giving up one of our 5th’s too. I would do this all day long to be honest. I wouldn’t. I’d say here’s our 5th round pick take it or leave it. Ertz isn’t a must have 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I'm over this already. The media teased this too heavily and never updated, now I'll barely be excited if it happens and will likely just complain about the cost. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: I'm over this already. The media teased this too heavily and never updated, now I'll barely be excited if it happens and will likely just complain about the cost. then ignore the media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) Beans doesn't need to bid against himself. Philly is the team at a disadvantage. They have pretty much burned the bridge for a return there. Howie is kind of a slick conniving type and will try to fleece you if he gets a chance. With the Chargers likely moving on to Cook, only Indy remains as a possibility and I think they are hoping Ertz gets released. I hope they stick to a late round pick next year, possibly conditional. Edited March 19, 2021 by turftoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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