Beane says no "blockbuster" moves. Do you believe him?

[Warcodered]

In this ***** scouting year I would not be surprised if he makes some moves.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

23 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

He loves Knox. Beane is very protective of guys he has drafted. I think the go into the year with Knox, Sweeney and then a vet. Could be Lee Smith. 

What you say makes sense.

 

I actually didn’t realize he liked Knox so much. I mentioned Knox as a trade asset only because I think a lot of teams probably love his ceiling. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Your yearly salaries are ridiculously low for the modern salary cap.

its per year not total. 

[gonzo1105]

I actually think this is the first year you see a lot of guys go and let the draft picks start rolling in on the comp picks. 
 

Much like I said last year when people were harkening to keep Phillips and Lawson, I said to let them go. Those are the guys who never live up to big contracts. 
 

I think the same can be said for a guy like Daryl Williams. Bills took a chance on him for cheap, brought his value back to life, now he’ll be overpaid and the Bills should reap that draft pick reward. I also don’t see Milano back. I’m on the fence with Feliciano. He’s another guy loved by Bills fans but had been very average his whole career. Could get overpaid as well.  

Edited January 31, 2021 by gonzo1105

[BillsFanForever19]

I think we'll cut some guys. Maybe trade a guy for a mid round pick. Re-sign what we can't lose and fill holes with mid-level and minimum deals.

 

The kicker though is that with the amount of players that will be cut by teams to get under or near the cap, it will force some guys to sign mid-level or minimum deals that normally wouldn't.

Edited January 31, 2021 by BillsFanForever19

[whatdrought]

Did someone tell this to Beane? I doubt he's realized that having a player like the best RB in the league would help us... 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

7 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Both Etienne & Harris will be gone by 30. 

 

Why? 

 

Only one RB went in the first round last year. At #32 overall. And in fact over the last five drafts only 1 RB has been selected in the first round in 3 of the 5 drafts dating back to 2017.

 

I don't see a lot of teams with Running Back as a big need either. I could see the Jets or Dolphins possibly taking one just because they each have the luxury of two first round picks. So they could possibly take one with their later first round pick. Maybe the Steelers?

 

Of picks 17-32, where it would be likely a RB or two would come off the board, majority of those teams are set at RB. Jets, Dolphins and Steelers are the ones that standout. Of the five teams that pick before the Bills 25 to 29, none of them would take a RB. 

 

All that said, I'm not sure it is wise for the Bills to be taking a RB in the first round.

[Sherlock Holmes]

10 hours ago, Draconator said:

I just think if the right opportunity comes along to get the Bills to a repeat Super Bowl contender, I think Beane makes the move. 

What that will be is for all of you to speculate on. 

Trades for McCaffrey and Cooper Kupp

Edited January 31, 2021 by Sherlock Holmes

[MJS]

I guess I don't know.

[Nextmanup]

I hope we trade down to worse draft positions but gain a pick or 2 along the way.

 

I don't see the making a "blockbuster" deal.

 

I think he will pull off a trade or 2 however.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, Draconator said:

I just think if the right opportunity comes along to get the Bills to a repeat Super Bowl contender, I think Beane makes the move. 

What that will be is for all of you to speculate on. 

 

 

 

This isn't a difficult question.

 

He said it because he meant it. He meant it because it's what the situation dictates.

 

Is it possible we get a shot somehow at getting our own Travis Kelce for almost no money off the cap? Well, yeah, anything's possible but it's a thousand to one. 

 

He said it because he knew Bills fans are going to expect big things because that's how fans work. And it's not the right situation or even close. He knows that and wants us to be ready. But I'm sure he also knows that there are people out there who simply will not hear what they don't want to hear and will continue calling for expensive FAs and trades that would leave us with huge amounts of dead cap and cap deficits. 

 

There will be moves. There will be no blockbuster moves. That is the overwhelming likelihood.

 

But hey, some fans won't face reality. It's unpleasant.

Edited January 31, 2021 by Thurman#1

[ALF]

New report suggests NFL salary cap might drop to $180 million in 2021

 

But what does this mean for 2021? A new report by Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio suggests that the league might reduce its cap this season by quite a bit after setting it at $198.2 million last year. The belief is that it might end up “in the range of” $180 million for the upcoming season.

 

While the number will not be announced until closer to the start of free agency in mid-March, we therefore already know that those $175 million will serve as the basis of negotiations between the two parties that have to agree to a final cap.

 

https://www.patspulpit.com/2021/1/20/22240238/report-nfl-salary-cap-drop-2021-patriots#:~:text=Report%3A NFL salary cap might,million in 2021 - Pats Pulpit

 

Est Cap Space (Top 51):  Bills
$-5,920,657

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

[billsfan1959]

11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think he said "no blockbuster moves" with regard to FA.  If I remember correctly.  I think on WGR he said something like "you know me, I like to move around".

 

It would not surprise me if Beane dealt a couple of players for low-mid round picks and packaged picks and move up.  Just who those players are, will depend somewhat upon what players attract interest. 

 

Alternatively, I can see him trading OUT of the first round and into the top of the 2nd for extra picks.

 

This is exactly where I am at. I don't anticipate any "blockbuster" FA moves. However, I certainly could see a big move of some sort through the use of players and draft capital in the right situation.

 

Whatever he decides to do, it will be in the best interests of the team in the short and long-term. Beane is about building a team that is consistently competetive year in and year out. I don't see him making any moves that sacrifice the future (in regard to the cap or draft picks) in order to win now. IMO, Bean views whatever moves he makes through the lens of the "superbowl window" opening wider rather than closing.

[machine gun kelly]

As much as I would love one of the UFA TE’s, I don’t see any splash moves happening.  Once they decide who they are not extending or cutting, then we’ll see some role players added, but nothing fancy.  Our talent sill come from whatever we get in the draft.

[maryland-bills-fan]

Yes.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Beane merely means he is not going to rent out the team's VHS and CD collection, then eventually liquidate the library at distressed prices. He might make an exception for the Tony Robbins motivational collection.

[Buddo]

The only sort of 'blockbuster move' we will have, is to manage to re-sign all the guys we want to.

 

I can see us trading around in the draft - Beane doesn't like waiting on guys to drop to him if we have got the value on them already.

 

I wouldn't put it past him to try and trade out of the 1st round either, if we get an earlier 2nd round pick as part of the compensation.

 

The biggest difficulty for any type of FA 'big' move, is we simply don't have the cap space to do it.

 

Apart from any 'done deals' for retaining guys, there will be the sound of crickets from OBD when FA opens.

 

Imho, FA this year will be 'feast or famine'. The top guys will get paid, still.

 

After that, there will be next to no 'mid tier' market, where we have reasonably successfully operated in the past.

 

I think you will see lots of cheap, but fully guaranteed deals, around the NFL, because that's all teams will be able to afford.

[Einstein's Dog]

I think Beane is just trying to keep fan expectations low. 

 

He will be investigating all options.  In particular I expect him to be researching  possible pass rushers and TEs.  He can't say he's looking into these because it will affect the market and affect a portion of fans would consider not bringing some in as a sign of failure.

[Victory Formation]

16 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Both Etienne & Harris will be gone by 30. There are no compelling pass rushers there so I think Brandon trades back into the 2nd for additional picks. Our running game desperately needs an overhaul. Consider Demetric Felton as 3 players in 1. You could easily get him mid to late 2nd. 

Boogie Basham or Zaven Collins would be great fits for this defense.. I’d take either at 30.

[Shaw66]

I think we won't see any major moves in the draft.  

 

Beane loves having draft picks, and he doesn't need to add a superstar to the team.   He might LIKE to add a superstar - we'd all like that, but he doesn't need to do it.   So, I seriously doubt he's going to package picks to move up in the first round.  

 

However, I don't think a free agent star is out of the question.   No one knows yet where the cap will be, no one knows yet whether someone like Milano is going to leave for the best deal he can find, and no one knows yet which vets, if any, Beane would be willing to cut to create some additional cap space.  What he do know is that Beane is fearless.  Although I doubt it will happen, I won't be surprised if he makes some cap moves and signs a big-time player.  

 

If he's going after a big-time player, I think it's gotta be an offensive or defensive lineman.   That's where the Bills could use a serious upgrade: A disruptor on the defensive line or a stud offensive lineman.   If for example, it came down to writing a big check to Milano or to JJ Watt, Milano could be history.   I think Beane already quietly signaled that he thinks Milano wants more than the Bills will pay (at his press conference he talked about Milano in the same way he talked about Philips and Lawson last year), and as we all know, McDermott always says that his defense starts with pressure from the front four.  With the 30th pick in the draft, you can find a guy with Milano's physical skills, but you've got to be awfully lucky to find a disrupting pass rusher.  

 

As others have said, it's going to be very important that Beane gets a good player at the end of the first round.  

[billspro]

I expect lots of good values in free agency this year. He may trade up in the draft. That’s what he does haha.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I think we won't see any major moves in the draft.  

 

Beane loves having draft picks, and he doesn't need to add a superstar to the team.   He might LIKE to add a superstar - we'd all like that, but he doesn't need to do it.   So, I seriously doubt he's going to package picks to move up in the first round.  

 

However, I don't think a free agent star is out of the question.   No one knows yet where the cap will be, no one knows yet whether someone like Milano is going to leave for the best deal he can find, and no one knows yet which vets, if any, Beane would be willing to cut to create some additional cap space.  What he do know is that Beane is fearless.  Although I doubt it will happen, I won't be surprised if he makes some cap moves and signs a big-time player.  

 

If he's going after a big-time player, I think it's gotta be an offensive or defensive lineman.   That's where the Bills could use a serious upgrade: A disruptor on the defensive line or a stud offensive lineman.   If for example, it came down to writing a big check to Milano or to JJ Watt, Milano could be history.   I think Beane already quietly signaled that he thinks Milano wants more than the Bills will pay (at his press conference he talked about Milano in the same way he talked about Philips and Lawson last year), and as we all know, McDermott always says that his defense starts with pressure from the front four.  With the 30th pick in the draft, you can find a guy with Milano's physical skills, but you've got to be awfully lucky to find a disrupting pass rusher.  

 

As others have said, it's going to be very important that Beane gets a good player at the end of the first round.  

 

You read the "tea leaves" on Matt Milano the same way I did.  Of course, with the salary cap, what's unknown is what the market will offer him as a player who is considered very good, but has injury questionmarks and might not fit well in every scheme.

 

But I heard the same things you did and came to a different conclusion about the draft vs FA.  I think you did too, you're just not assembling the pieces. the same way. 

 

You said it yourself: with the 30th pick in the draft, you've got to be awfully lucky to find a disruptive pass rusher.  What do we badly need on the team?  Even people who hardly ever agree on this board see it the same way: we need a disruptive pass rusher.

 

Those guys are big-ticket FA (Beane said don't expect a big FA move).  They are also pricy and as FA, overpaid.  Beane made it clear we want to re-sign as many of our guys as we can.  Then, on WGR the next day, he was asked about the draft and said "you know me, I like to move around."

 

To me, that says if there's a disruptive pass rusher Beane thinks he can get in the draft, he's more likely to package picks and trade up than he is to break the bank to go after a FA.

 

That said, the unknown again, is the market this year.  If there are FA bargains to be had, expect Beane to go shopping.  But, there are 8 teams with >$20M in free cap space, and disruptive pass rushers are just one step down from QB in commanding the best market.

[Shaw66]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You read the "tea leaves" on Matt Milano the same way I did.  Of course, with the salary cap, what's unknown is what the market will offer him as a player who is considered very good, but has injury questionmarks and might not fit well in every scheme.

 

But I heard the same things you did and came to a different conclusion about the draft vs FA.  I think you did too, you're just not assembling the pieces. the same way. 

 

You said it yourself: with the 30th pick in the draft, you've got to be awfully lucky to find a disruptive pass rusher.  What do we badly need on the team?  Even people who hardly ever agree on this board see it the same way: we need a disruptive pass rusher.

 

Those guys are big-ticket FA (Beane said don't expect a big FA move).  They are also pricy and as FA, overpaid.  Beane made it clear we want to re-sign as many of our guys as we can.  Then, on WGR the next day, he was asked about the draft and said "you know me, I like to move around."

 

To me, that says if there's a disruptive pass rusher Beane thinks he can get in the draft, he's more likely to package picks and trade up than he is to break the bank to go after a FA.

 

That said, the unknown again, is the market this year.  If there are FA bargains to be had, expect Beane to go shopping.  But, there are 8 teams with >$20M in free cap space, and disruptive pass rushers are just one step down from QB in commanding the best market.

Thanks.  Those are all good thoughts.   As I just said responding to Thurman in the thread about whether Beane will make any big splashes, none of us knows.  

 

Good thoughts about the disruptive pass rusher.   My pipe dream is JJ Watt.   I don't think he fits in the category over-priced free agent category.   I think salary is going to be secondary for him - he's going to move for the best football environment on a championship potential team.   Something on line says he has a net worth of $50 million, which may be high, but it's probably at least $30 million.   He's a smart guy, and he understands that he's already set for life.  I'd guess that in his mind, $10 million a year on a team he really wants to be on is a better deal than getting a bigger contract from the Bengals. 

 

My problem with moving up to draft a pass rusher is that those guys are very hit-or-miss in the draft.   The highest the Bills could reasonably move, just guessing, is to 10 or 15, and you're not going to find a certifiable disruptor there.    

 

Everything has changed with the Bills, including the off-season.   The off-season now is interesting for completely different reasons.  

[somnus00]

My opinion is the biggest moves will be who we lose, not who we pick up. I think we lose Milano, Feliciano, and Roberts, and Brown. Bean is going to need a great draft this year. My vote would be for trading down and taking 3 2nd round picks. Unless someone like Micah Parsons falls to 30 (could happen due to locker room issues).

[3rdand12]

On 1/30/2021 at 2:48 PM, WhoTom said:

He said not to expect any blockbuster moves. Undoubtedly, however, if the right deal falls into his lap, he'll jump on it.

 

Beane will never tell the press what he's really planning. I'll bet he's a damn good poker player.

 

I agree. Hard to consider he would limit his options.

 But do not expect any big money spent if FA might be simpler said by him

[3rdand12]

15 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

My opinion is the biggest moves will be who we lose, not who we pick up. I think we lose Milano, Feliciano, and Roberts, and Brown. Bean is going to need a great draft this year. My vote would be for trading down and taking 3 2nd round picks. Unless someone like Micah Parsons falls to 30 (could happen due to locker room issues).

this is going to be a very interesting of season for Bills and us fans as well.

great times to be a fan !
Do Bills have enough young depth to bring up players at WR. In the secondary ?
 Needs might be DE LB TE OG. Draft well Mc Beanes
and OT if we cannot keep Williams (which we should make a strong effort. That is a big deal IMHO

 conversely ?   RB will fix itself cheaply i bet.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

 

I could see Beane trading for Von Miller.

 

It wouldn't be a first round pick........maybe not even a second because his team control(team option year) ends after this season and he is in the middle of some controversy(which I think will blow over).......so it might not qualify as a blockbuster but that's the kind of move that could really help change the defense in the short term. 

 

 

 

 

[Mat68]

Diggs level? No.  Someone we may not think will come to Buffalo or a player we feel isnt getting targeted?  Buffalo needs dudes.  Days 1 and 2 if the draft they need to find them.

 

Edited January 31, 2021 by Mat68

[Boxcar]

17 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Why? 

 

Only one RB went in the first round last year. At #32 overall. And in fact over the last five drafts only 1 RB has been selected in the first round in 3 of the 5 drafts dating back to 2017.

 

I don't see a lot of teams with Running Back as a big need either. I could see the Jets or Dolphins possibly taking one just because they each have the luxury of two first round picks. So they could possibly take one with their later first round pick. Maybe the Steelers?

 

Of picks 17-32, where it would be likely a RB or two would come off the board, majority of those teams are set at RB. Jets, Dolphins and Steelers are the ones that standout. Of the five teams that pick before the Bills 25 to 29, none of them would take a RB. 

 

All that said, I'm not sure it is wise for the Bills to be taking a RB in the first round.

Someone earlier said that an Alvin Kamara type of back would be ideal for this team, and that is true, imo. Najee Harris seems to fit that mold somewhat. Josh clearly doesn't trust Singletary, so it would be nice to have a RB who can catch and run.

[Putin]

On 1/30/2021 at 3:33 PM, Success said:

Ultimately, you can't do a Diggs type of deal every offseason.

 

This offseason just feels like it needs to be methodical & focused.  Have a solid draft, and work FA to fill holes and continue to build depth instead of getting a big splash at just one position.

 

Frankly, I feel like we can stand pat at a variety of positions: WR, TE, CB and even LB.  The MAIN focus should be building the D line, followed by getting one good RB - either in FA or the draft.

 

But whatever Beane decides, I'm all in.  He has earned a great deal of trust.

 

I agree with with everything except the TE , there are 3 great TE’s in this draft I hope we can grab  one of them , or maybe a trade for one but we need a better performance out of our TE position , go ahead and add a RB to that list as well 

Edited January 31, 2021 by Putin

[somnus00]

2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

this is going to be a very interesting of season for Bills and us fans as well.

great times to be a fan !
Do Bills have enough young depth to bring up players at WR. In the secondary ?
 Needs might be DE LB TE OG. Draft well Mc Beanes
and OT if we cannot keep Williams (which we should make a strong effort. That is a big deal IMHO

 conversely ?   RB will fix itself cheaply i bet.

It will definitely be interesting to see what Beane does.

 

As much as I love Roberts and appreciate what he provides, I think they might opt to replace him with McKenzie (who took a punt the distance a few weeks ago).

 

I think your "needs" are pretty spot on. I would add CB2 to the list. What I'd love to see is us trade down from the 30th pick and use the 3 second round picks on CB, OLB, OG.

I left Williams off of my list of cuts because I think the Bills make him the priority free agent to re-sign.

 

And yes, we need a fast RB. Those can be found in later rounds. I do not want an RB at pick 30.

[stuvian]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I could see Beane trading for Von Miller.

 

It wouldn't be a first round pick........maybe not even a second because his team control(team option year) ends after this season and he is in the middle of some controversy(which I think will blow over).......so it might not qualify as a blockbuster but that's the kind of move that could really help change the defense in the short term. 

 

 

 

 

I'd love to see it even if it seems splashy by our standards

[Success]

36 minutes ago, Putin said:

I agree with with everything except the TE , there are 3 great TE’s in this draft I hope we can grab  one of them , or maybe a trade for one but we need a better performance out of our TE position , go ahead and add a RB to that list as well 

 

I'd be okay w/ that.  I just don't see it as a big position of need - but I get that the jury is still out on Knox.

 

[Putin]

2 hours ago, Success said:

 

I'd be okay w/ that.  I just don't see it as a big position of need - but I get that the jury is still out on Knox.

 

Knox is still on his rookie contract and he’s ok for #2 TE but IMO we need a playmaker at #1 spot at least someone with reliable hands especially in the end zone, and I would be all for using our first round pick on a TE , or even a running back , look at what the Chiefs did with their 1st round pick last year ... 

 

[ndirish1978]

We need a lot of help on Defense. I could see us changing a LITTLE bit from Beane's usual MO of "sign 3-4 mid-tier players to compete for 2 positions" and instead look for 1-2 actual playmakers if the money is right. But no, I don't see us offering JJ Watt 17M per after he gets cut.

[3rdand12]

On 1/31/2021 at 6:14 PM, somnus00 said:

It will definitely be interesting to see what Beane does.

 

As much as I love Roberts and appreciate what he provides, I think they might opt to replace him with McKenzie (who took a punt the distance a few weeks ago).

 

I think your "needs" are pretty spot on. I would add CB2 to the list. What I'd love to see is us trade down from the 30th pick and use the 3 second round picks on CB, OLB, OG.

I left Williams off of my list of cuts because I think the Bills make him the priority free agent to re-sign.

 

And yes, we need a fast RB. Those can be found in later rounds. I do not want an RB at pick 30.

Thanks for the good note.

Reasonable call about McK.  Value added as he can play WR, Gadget master. Punt return and hopefully can grow into Roberts replacement in Kick returns.  ( and i am a good fan of Andre )

CB2 might come from D Jackson
 or at least  rotating him in  more. But if they see an upgrade out there that is not Josh Norman. take a hard look.
 

RBs are a dime a dozen ! I read it here 
Go Bills

I sincerely hope you are correct about Williams. He has returned to nearly elite form.

Hope McBeanes can make deal every one is pleased with. My biggest hope actually for the off season. Protect Josh l

[Mr. WEO]

On 1/31/2021 at 11:03 AM, Shaw66 said:

Thanks.  Those are all good thoughts.   As I just said responding to Thurman in the thread about whether Beane will make any big splashes, none of us knows.  

 

Good thoughts about the disruptive pass rusher.   My pipe dream is JJ Watt.   I don't think he fits in the category over-priced free agent category.   I think salary is going to be secondary for him - he's going to move for the best football environment on a championship potential team.   Something on line says he has a net worth of $50 million, which may be high, but it's probably at least $30 million.   He's a smart guy, and he understands that he's already set for life.  I'd guess that in his mind, $10 million a year on a team he really wants to be on is a better deal than getting a bigger contract from the Bengals. 

 

My problem with moving up to draft a pass rusher is that those guys are very hit-or-miss in the draft.   The highest the Bills could reasonably move, just guessing, is to 10 or 15, and you're not going to find a certifiable disruptor there.    

 

Everything has changed with the Bills, including the off-season.   The off-season now is interesting for completely different reasons.  

 

 

Watt is in the twilight of his career.  In the last 2 drafts, guys like Chaisson (9 sacks as a rookie, drafted #20 in 2020) and Brian Burns and Montez Sweat (16 sacks in 2 seasons each and drafted 16 and 26 in 2019...Bills took Oliver at #9--OOF!) are there in the middle off drafts.

 

Aging big name DE/DT's are cashing checks from their new teams.  Pass.

[BigDingus]

The one thing you can damn-near count on is that he'll move up in the draft at some point.

He might stay put in round 1 & snag a good RB that falls to them, but otherwise I'd think this draft is mainly about getting some size & speed on the DL & LB groups, possibly another CB opposite of Tre.

[BobbyC81]

On 1/30/2021 at 12:05 PM, Draconator said:

Kentucky has a lake (or two). Just close your eyes, and imagine the ocean...

That reminds me of when my parents came out west for my wedding.  Took them to see the sights.  “Here”s the ocean!”

Response: “Eh, we have the lake.”