Mahomes passed all tests last night, appears to be pinched nerve, not a concussion

[JMF2006]

4 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Are a lot of you secretly hoping it was a concussion so he might not play because you are scared to play against him? lol 

 

 

 

I am sure the Bills will be prepared and not afraid

 

As for the fans? what does it matter?

 

My preference is Henne for obvious reasons.

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, CaliBills said:

 

Any dizziness  shown like that which occurs from a player during a play will be always considered a concussion and the player will always be placed in such to determine if it was.

 

They can't simply put a player in it, then immediately take him out regardless of the initial diagnosis. 

 

You can call it nonsense all you want, but you, and no one on this board, knows if it was an actual concussion or pinch nerve.  The only persons that know are mahomes, the doctors treating him, and certain staff members.

 

 

When is quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, 99% of the time it is a DUCK.

 

I agree we all.dont know what it is.  But ill go with what is more likely, more obvious, and he suffered a concussion.  

 

If you want to latch onto a very unlikely diagnosis, which the team doctors would have immobilized or not let him run into the locker room if they thought a pinched nerve, then go for it

[Einstein's Dog]

11 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Are a lot of you secretly hoping it was a concussion so he might not play because you are scared to play against him? lol 

 

 

Would it make you feel better if they rushed Mahomes back for your entertainment and the Bills ended his career? 

[CaliBills]

7 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

When is quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, 99% of the time it is a DUCK.

 

I agree we all.dont know what it is.  But ill go with what is more likely, more obvious, and he suffered a concussion.  

 

If you want to latch onto a very unlikely diagnosis, which the team doctors would have immobilized or not let him run into the locker room if they thought a pinched nerve, then go for it

 

 Yeah I get it.

 

I honestly believe first thought was concussion all the way. But as they were looking at him (and it might sound ridiculous) that they determined that it was a tweak of a nerve in the neck/spine and not a concussion like originally thought.  Which is why they didn't immobilze his neck etc, since he was moving, just wobbling a bit.

 

Just my thoughts. 

Edited January 18, 2021 by CaliBills

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Hope we get to powerbomb that Chiefs troll that hangs out here after this game.

 

Assuming of course, he's got the gonads to come back and take his punishment.

 

[CaliBills]

1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Would it make you feel better if they rushed Mahomes back for your entertainment and the Bills ended his career? 

 

What?!??!  wth are you talking about.  

 

My post was a joke.  

 

And to answer your question........ not sure why I am even.....

 

But no, I don't want any player rushed back or not right just to play.  If he is cleared, then let him play. If doctors say no, then he sits. Its simple.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

8 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

Any dizziness  shown like that which occurs from a player during a play will be always considered a concussion and the player will always be placed in such to determine if it was.

 

They can't simply put a player in it, then immediately take him out regardless of the initial diagnosis. 

 

You can call it nonsense all you want, but you, and no one on this board, knows if it was an actual concussion or pinch nerve.  The only persons that know are mahomes, the doctors treating him, and certain staff members.

 

 

 

What would you say if I told you I know a guy from Dunkirk who knows a guy....?  Eh?  Eh?

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Hmm, sounds fishy to me. I have also heard them say he had the wind knocked out of him.  There is no way they stop him from playing in a premier game like this one.  

 

To me it looked like the way his head was bent it was something like a sleeper hold in wrestling or MMA where it cuts off oxygen to the brain temporarily...I didn't see how he could have a concussion because he never got hit in the head or had his head hit the ground...

[Deep Voice]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Yeah the 1000 mile stare says different forget the stumbling 🥴 attempts to stand up 

 

 

YEAH

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Hope we get to powerbomb that Chiefs troll that hangs out here after this game.

 

Assuming of course, he's got the gonads to come back and take his punishment.

 

 

YEAH

[Figster]

If all goes well I would like to look back on this season without any what Ifs.

 

Josh Allen vs Patrick Mahomes in the AFC Championship game is what all football fans want to see.

 

It doesn't get any better...

Edited January 18, 2021 by Figster

[CaliBills]

1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

What would you say if I told you I know a guy from Dunkirk who knows a guy....?  Eh?  Eh?

Eh! Eh! Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  lol yeah i sounded it out loud here at work lol.

 

I know a guy from Dunkirk who knows a guy too!!!! 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

I for the life of me don't get this "Do you want to face Mahomes or not?" and what that means to fans.

 

The Bills organization and the fans have nothing to do with whether he plays or not and should just deal with the facts.

If he plays he plays, if he doesn't he doesn't.  We got no say in it and it shouldn't affect how we feel about it.

 

I'm just speculating but I think the Bills coaches and players are feeling exactly the same way.

 

As far as what the Chiefs staff, medical team and what the independent NFL doctor determine it's ALL ON THEM.

Personally I'll watch the Chiefs Injury Reports just like I do any other week.

[PokeForLife]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5759906/

 

I'm wondering if "pinched nerve" could be the team dr's layman/"use with the media" term for cervicogenic dizziness. The first few paragraphs of this are interesting if anyone is interested. As you can glean from the article, its controversial. But maybe thats just what they are looking for with a trip to the super bowl on the line.

Edited January 18, 2021 by PokeForLife
typo

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

27 minutes ago, Lionel Hutz said:

This was the first thing that I thought of as well. What’s the point of making 100 million $’s if your a vegetable at the age of 40.

[Mike in Horseheads]

He's in pinched nerve protocol?

[Figster]

16 minutes ago, PokeForLife said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5759906/

 

I'm wondering if "pinced nerve" could be the team dr's layman/"use with the media" term for cervicogenic dizziness. The first few paragraphs of this are interesting if anyone is interested. As you can glean from the article, its controversial. But maybe thats just what they are looking for with a trip to the super bowl on the line.

Worst two months of my life was from a pinched nerve in my neck last winter.( pain perspective ) Arms going numb, felt like I was gettiing stabbed with a hot knife in the shoulder blade over and over again. Stomach out of wack. If its bad it can screw with all kinds of things. It even sent my blood pressure rocketing into the low 200's from the pain.

 

Play QB? I could barely get out of bed...

Edited January 18, 2021 by Figster

[aceman_16]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE THREADS ON THE TOPIC ALREADY!

LOOK!

Do you think YOUR OPINION DESERVES CAPS?!?! Just curious.....

[stevestojan]

Not even kidding about this, but I think the best indicator will be how the Vegas line moves (if at all) in the next few days. 
 

Many millions of dollars (if not more) will be bet on this game. I do understand that the line moves based on betting as well, but if the casinos/Sportsbooks get a tip that he won’t play, that KC-3 might turn into a pick em, a Bills -2, or it might get taken off altogether. Keep an eye there. Just my two cents. 
 

Really hope he’s feeling better. Those legs and eyes did not tell the story of a quick pinched nerve. 

[Hebert19]

Pat McAfee said that its the same injury that kept Sydney Crosby our for a year...fwiw.  

25 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

To me it looked like the way his head was bent it was something like a sleeper hold in wrestling or MMA where it cuts off oxygen to the brain temporarily...I didn't see how he could have a concussion because he never got hit in the head or had his head hit the ground...

Ironically thats almost exactly the way to look at it.  

 

Pat McAfee on his podcast said its a very big deal

54 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

There is no way to say how well he is doing or will be doing.

 

He clearly had a concussion IMO.  So, he could be feeling fine today, wake up tomorrow, and be depressed and dizzy all day long.  His symptoms could remain constant, or be sporadic, for months.  Or not.  

 

I quoted a study done in another post that said the median time out for a QB on the protocol was 7 days, as measured over a 4 year period of time I believe.

 

That's the median, so it means some were shorter but some were much longer than 7 days.

 

Neck concussion.  Can be very very serious. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

2 hours ago, chknwing334 said:

Have you ever seen any of these professional gladiators able to choke someone unconscious in 2 seconds?  Because that is about how long the tackle took.

Lol "professional gladiators"

By far the most difficult and grueling sport on the planet. #respect

To your point, it was pretty damn quick. 

 

[Coastie]

I hadn't considered it until I saw this thread but in the guard one of the hand to hand strikes we learnt was the brachial stun. Our instructor always showed us the video that included on this link. Never had it done to me at full power but even at 50% it would cause wobbly legs and you had to have someone there to steady you.

 

Sure looked more like concussion to me, especially after he was declared out for that reason. Its possible someone out there is reporting some wishful thinking that it was an inadvertent Brachial stun.

 

https://martialartskills.com/brachial-stun/

[Don Otreply]

Pinched nerve my backside, the dude couldn’t hold himself upright afterwards, not that my opinion means a darn thing, but someone’s lying through their teeth. 

[Playoffs?]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I thought it was a neck injury when I saw it. The Browns player almost tore his head off.

 

With that twist of the neck and all the weight falling down it very well could have cut the blood off to his brain, almost like a choke or strike to the neck. 

 

 

Kind of what I thought too. I just don’t see where he hit his head on anything. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

50 minutes ago, Deep Voice said:

 

 

YEAH

 

YEAH

 

My life is complete again.  Where have you been??  We were worried?!

 

49 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

Eh! Eh! Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  lol yeah i sounded it out loud here at work lol.

 

I know a guy from Dunkirk who knows a guy too!!!! 

 

 

 

Your story just doesn’t jive.  I bet you’ve never even been to a high-level business meeting 🤨

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Even if they said he did have a concussion, is there anything really to stop him from faking the results.  Supposedly they need to be concussion symptom free,  headache free, be able speak clearly.  All things that someone wanting to make sure they play the following week would seem to be easy to fake.  Understand they are messing with their own well being, likely if a regular season game, they may admit, yes I still have a slight headache.  But for a playoff game could see most players faking it and telling everyone, I feel fine, 100%!

 

Recall the Bills 1st SB, in the last minute or so, Kelly took a hit that was bad enough forced the Bills to use a TO so Kelly could figure out where he was.  Likely these days he'd have never finished the game. 

 

If they hadn't needed to call that TO, may have been able to use that extra time instead at the end to get a couple extra plays in and gotten closer for the kick.

[CaliBills]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

My life is complete again.  Where have you been??  We were worried?!

 

 

Your story just doesn’t jive.  I bet you’ve never even been to a high-level business meeting 🤨

 

High level business meetings?  I am partying with Dr.Gonzo 

[Paulus]

The forearm did hit Mahomes on that Vulcan Death Grip area. I know blows to that area can give stars, and cause the legs to give.

[CircleTheWagons99]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30736753/kansas-city-chiefs-coach-andy-reid-says-concussion-protocol-patrick-mahomes-returned

[Niagara Dude]

3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Per a report out of KC that was just reported on WGR.  So if this report is correct Mahomes will be playing on Sunday. No links yet. 

Reid is a slime ball,  not surprised they changed story.   Looked like guy who got hit with truck

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

40 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Lol "professional gladiators"

By far the most difficult and grueling sport on the planet. #respect

To your point, it was pretty damn quick. 

 

I’ve seen people tap quickly in MMA, but as far as actually going limp and blurry, it usually takes more than a couple seconds of a choke hold. 
 

Of topic and a little LAMPy, a UFC fighter that is ranked in the top 50 lives next door to me. We are dog park friends. One of the nicest guys I’ve met. 

Edited January 18, 2021 by chknwing334

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

I'm of the crowd that would rather face Mahomes than Henne. That way, if we win, there will be no excuses like, "Oh, well if the Chiefs had Mahomes.." blah, blah, blah. Nah, I want us to whoop that  with Patrick taking the snaps. 

I don’t think it matters. In either case there will be folks using in some negative connotation. Didn’t play Mahomes, Mahomes was hiding injury, etc. Only way they won’t talk smack afterwards is to beat Brady or Rodgers afterwards in a blowout. 

[Juice_32]

1 hour ago, Deep Voice said:

 

 

YEAH

 

YEAH

 

My favorite poster of all time ^^^

[Yav]

Mahomes will play and in all honesty it’s not going to matter. 
 

I heard a report last night saying he was choked out and that’s why his legs were weak. 
 

KC fans complained it was a dirty hit. 
 

it really wasn’t dirty and in all honesty I don’t see how he would have a concussion nor do I see him being choked out 🤷‍♂️
 

none of it really matters, the Bills will see him on Sunday, they just need to play their game and stay disciplined on D, snag those under thrown deep balls that Mahomes just flings out there, play mistake free on offense and the Bills will win by 14

[Big Turk]

29 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Even if they said he did have a concussion, is there anything really to stop him from faking the results.  Supposedly they need to be concussion symptom free,  headache free, be able speak clearly.  All things that someone wanting to make sure they play the following week would seem to be easy to fake.  Understand they are messing with their own well being, likely if a regular season game, they may admit, yes I still have a slight headache.  But for a playoff game could see most players faking it and telling everyone, I feel fine, 100%!

 

Recall the Bills 1st SB, in the last minute or so, Kelly took a hit that was bad enough forced the Bills to use a TO so Kelly could figure out where he was.  Likely these days he'd have never finished the game. 

 

If they hadn't needed to call that TO, may have been able to use that extra time instead at the end to get a couple extra plays in and gotten closer for the kick.

 

The people who have to clear him are independent neurologists not associated with the team.

[Rochesterfan]

I will just wait and see, but it did not look like a normal concussion to me.  Mahomes head really does not get hit or suffer the classic acceleration/deceleration that you saw with say Jackson.

 

With Mahomes what you saw was a Browns player wrap up his head on the hit and then sort of roll and you see Mahomes head pull up at the neck and then his full body weight is yanked upward almost like he was going to be suplexed.  The bodies reaction was similar to a concussion with the typical wobbly knees and vacant stare.

 

I don’t think it was blood flow related (like MMA) - to quick and not really a choke move.  I think it was more stress/strain on the neck and nerves.

 

I actually believe both sides could be correct and make sense as “neck concussion” are a real thing as studied by UB in the past (https://completeconcussions.com/2017/03/14/neck-causing-concussion-symptoms-part-1/) and if he had those typical concussion symptoms - he would be placed in the protocol and have to clear the protocol - even if it was not brain related.  Therefore; Reid saying he is in protocol and has to clear is 100% correct and people saying it was not really a concussion (in that his head was not the focal point), but was caused by his neck (nerve) may also be correct.

 

In the end some people will believe whatever they want and I really don’t care.  If he clears - he plays and if he doesn’t clear - then we need to be prepared for that also.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[Nihilarian]

Let's also not forget that foot/leg injury that had him limping off the field. Turf toe someone said. 

 

In any event, if that Bills defense that showed up for the Ravens game shows up for the Chiefs game it won't matter who the QB is for KC.

 

Still, I kinda doubt that Chad Henne will put fear into the Bills secondary, not like Mahomes. 

[jlgarsh]

3 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Lol, not a pinched nerve.  First time I’ve seen a player get spaghetti legs from a “pinched nerve”.  Just KC trying to downplay the injury.

I had a pinched nerve in my back from a ruptured disc, that was bad enough that my left leg barely worked. I walked like a zombie, and when the surgeon looked at the MRI results he said it was amazing that I could walk at all based on how bad it was. So it probably depends on what nerve it is and where.

[spartacus]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

First of all, it doesn't work that way.

 

If he is in the protocol, the protocol is clearly defined and has 5 stages that he must move through over a period of days.  At the end of all of it, even if the KC team physicians clear him to play, he must get further approval from an independent neurologist assigned to the team.

 

Could that ind. neurologist be in on the scam?  Does he/she live and work in the KC area?  Is he/she a Chiefs fan that would like to see Mahomes play?  Are they unscrupulous with a disregard for the code of ethics they swore to uphold as a medical professional?

 

Who knows.  

 

I'll suggest the ind. neurologist will do what is right, and if he/she sees that it is not, Mahomes will not be cleared to play.

 

If he is cleared to play, as mentioned before, he is going to have a very unusual week of partial practice which has to benefit the Bills to some degree.

 

He is also putting himself in danger of getting another concussion by playing so soon.  The Bills should send everyone early in the game and try to get him removed from the game.

 

 

each NFL team has an "independent" neurologist assigned to the team who lives in the home  team area.

not sure who pays him,, and how much.

pretty sure not a full time gig, as the NFL can not even employ its regs on a full time basis

[HOUSE]

3 hours ago, nkreed said:

I'm stealing this opportunity to say Thank You for the updates to the board, but specifically the like button options. I see they were updated again recently and wanted to thank you publicly but couldn't find a thread of that.

 

All that too say, THANKS!

 

STOP STEALING OPPORTUNITIES

[nkreed]

1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

 

STOP STEALING OPPORTUNITIES

No.

 

Also, it's likely Mahomes has Lupus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(If you got this far and are mad, that is an obvious HOUSE joke)