Kmart128 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Dorsey has never called plays. Not saying he can’t do it but I don’t think it should be a foregone conclusion that he’d be the next man up. We gotta keep the same playbook... Josh knows this offense so well. It would be bad for his growth to have to start from square one. Dorsey may have not have called plays... but all OCs started out without ever calling a play before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Not that they already need more motivation but the boys on offense mat want tonsend Daboll out on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Heavy Kevi said: Keep winning and hope these teams get tired of waiting for the SB and hire someone else 🤞 Isn’t that kind of a conflict of interest for Daboll? Not saying he’s going to sabotage the team, but I’m sure he wouldn’t be that upset if we lost tonight given he’d probably be named Charges HC tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 So what about Ken Dorsey going with Daboll to Chargers as the OC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Makes total sense given what they have to work with . If he does go there they will be a force fairly quickly i think . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Is Josh Allen still going to be here in Buffalo tho? Because that’s ALL that matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 They need to keep it simple and hire Dorsey, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: My biggest question is how many coaches leave with him. Could be a few of them. Not without the Bills permission, and not clear that will be forthcoming. Unless, of course, contracts are up. No contract means free to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Hope no one has any unrealistic expectations about Daboll staying. You don’t become a coach with the lifelong ambition to be the hometown OC. He will take the best offer for him and his family. Just like you wouldn’t give your job a hometown discount on your salary, he’s got to look out for #1. We have to plan for the future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Yeah, I mentioned in a couple of other threads that Dan Orlovsky hinted last week on NFL Live that he was going to the Chargers. I have a feeling this is all but a done deal. I just hope he is staying 100% focused on the Ravens right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Is this because our OL is inept at run blocking or because Daboll doesn’t know how to scheme for the run game? I've been wondering this all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Just now, TheBeaneBandit said: I've been wondering this all season. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 33 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: We gotta keep the same playbook... Josh knows this offense so well. It would be bad for his growth to have to start from square one. Dorsey may have not have called plays... but all OCs started out without ever calling a play before. Playbooks are all the same. Verbiage changes but a lot of times coaches adjust to players verbiage also. I think the only fear I have is freedom in the offense. Someone new could want things done his way. I listened to Allen talk about WR route running and how he doesn't care if a WR runs a route differently than it's supposed to be run, just get open. A different coach might say no, run that route how it's supposed to be run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: My biggest question is how many coaches leave with him. Could be a few of them. Just remember, if they're under contract we control that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 49 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: We gotta keep the same playbook... Josh knows this offense so well. It would be bad for his growth to have to start from square one. Dorsey may have not have called plays... but all OCs started out without ever calling a play before. Having the same playbook will be great if we meet Chargers in playoffs. We will be only one with 2020 playbook though for Diaboll's playbook changes per team faced, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: They need to keep it simple and hire Dorsey, really. I tend to agree. I can make a case for Chad Hall (because if we don't we lose him sooner rather than later) but the question should be what would Josh be most comfortable with? And then do that. 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just remember, if they're under contract we control that. For all but 1. We can't now block a coordinator interview. So say we hire Dorsey as OC and Daboll asks to speak to Hall as his OC we can't block that. Edited January 16, 2021 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 You would think after you just fired one failed HC from buffalo that you would not take a chance on another. We need to keep winning to prevent teams from signing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just remember, if they're under contract we control that. Teams are reluctant to prevent coach migration due to "reputation" - teams are looked as bad boys despite coaches being ones breaking contact but they never refuse payment when cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Having the same playbook will be great if we meet Chargers in playoffs. We will be only one with 2020 playbook though for Diaboll's playbook changes per team faced, Game plan you mean? The playbook has evolved over time and If Dorsey was promoted from within it would continue to evolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 55 minutes ago, bills6969 said: Isn’t that kind of a conflict of interest for Daboll? Not saying he’s going to sabotage the team, but I’m sure he wouldn’t be that upset if we lost tonight given he’d probably be named Charges HC tomorrow. I don't think that lowly of Daboll. He wants to win tonight, next Sunday, and Sunday two weeks later. Promise you that. Plus, he'll get his shot at HC regardless. QB developers are the second hottest commodity after only QBs themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Dorsey has never called plays. Not saying he can’t do it but I don’t think it should be a foregone conclusion that he’d be the next man up. If McVay was calling plays in the NFL before he hit puberty, Dorsey is ready. I think its a natural progression for him at this point in his career. I agree though - no guarantees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chaos said: his ceiling is likely much lower. Most likely but you never know. The man destroyed the rookie passing records and didn't even play the first game and literally found out he was playing in the second game 20 minutes prior. Edited January 16, 2021 by Big Turk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just remember, if they're under contract we control that. Can't they leave with a promotion? 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Is this because our OL is inept at run blocking or because Daboll doesn’t know how to scheme for the run game? We're not a committed run offense. It's just our philosophy. We were much better last year with much of the same blocking schemes. Just different commitment. No rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 I think the only thing that could have kept Daboll here is if the Jets didn't beat the Chargers to the punch on getting Saleh. Saleh was lined up to have a 2nd interview with the Chargers as well. I don't think the Jets would have hired Daboll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 What I expected all along. He is the right coach for Herbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: I think the only thing that could have kept Daboll here is if the Jets didn't beat the Chargers to the punch on getting Saleh. Saleh was lined up to have a 2nd interview with the Chargers as well. I don't think the Jets would have hired Daboll. I'm willing to bet Daboll to the Chargers was in the works for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'm willing to bet Daboll to the Chargers was in the works for weeks. Not saying it wasn't but I also think it was Daboll's only real head coaching shot of the ones left. If the Chargers went with Saleh, I don't think any of the other teams left would have hired him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just remember, if they're under contract we control that. Yeah. The rule was passed last year that teams can't block other teams from interviewing coordinator positions. So take someone like Chad Hall or Ken Dorsey. Daboll can take them to be OC and the Bills can't do anything about it other than trying to get them to stay. Same goes for defensive coaches. If Daboll and Frazier get jobs we could lose more coaches. https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/nfl-teams-can-no-longer-block-assistant-coaches-from-interviewing-for-coordinator-positions-191317600.html 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Not saying it wasn't but I also think it was Daboll's only real head coaching shot of the ones left. If the Chargers went with Saleh, I don't think any of the other teams left would have hired him Really? I'm not sure about that. Of all the jobs the Chargers job IMO is #1. Daboll had been listed as the #1 candidate available. Edited January 16, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) Time for Josh to start calling his own plays...I think he is ready... Too bad we can’t get a draft pick for losing a coach... Edited January 16, 2021 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'm willing to bet Daboll to the Chargers was in the works for weeks. I don’t disagree. C. Polian is 46, Dave Caldwell is 48, Tom Telesco is 48, an Daboll is 45. They all went to St. Francis, and a couple of them played for John Carroll. They must run in the same circles. Daboll probably feels really comfortable with Telesco, and they have lots of talent both on offense and defense, most importantly Herbert. Thus is a great call for Herbert, the Chargers, and Daboll. I’m happy for him if it happens. Not to be cliche, but I trust the process with McBeane. If anyone doesn’t trust them by now after four years of excellent decisions, then I just don’t know what you need to trust their judgement whether it’s Dorsey, or someone else. They will figure out who is the best fit for the organization, and the Pegulas are not meddling owners unlike others. I was a little concerned for Daboll going to Houston due to their dysfunction, but it never came to pass. I think Daboll could’ve done it and probably turned Watson around, but this one is so much better for him. Think about it, he has a QB, an estimated $23 mil. In cap space, and the likes of Bosa, Allen, Hayward, Joseph, Williams, Ekelar, and James. With a full draft of 9 picks, he is set up for a turnaround. I like the Chargers when not playing us. Good news for us is we just played so unless we end up in the same position, we won’t face them for three years. We know at least next year we won’t have them to face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: My biggest question is how many coaches leave with him. Could be a few of them. na. I think most stay here. we are a winning team. I think perhaps Hall or Dorsey could go to be OC if they are not offered it here, but that’s about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 41 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Can't they leave with a promotion? The OP was asking how many coaches we lose that follow Daboll. He can promote one to OC and take them. I suppose in theory he can promote and take two (OC and DC), but I don't see him doing that. So he can take one, unless we let them go. It does have to be remembered that whoever the new OC is, he may want to pick his own staff or at least some of his own staff. Quote We're not a committed run offense. It's just our philosophy. We were much better last year with much of the same blocking schemes. Just different commitment. No rhythm. What criteria are you looking at to say "we were much better at the run last year with the same blocking schemes" Last year we rushed for 4.4 ypa which was like, 13th or 14th in the NFL. This year we rushed for 4.2 ypa, which is 19th in the NFL. I'd call that "better by a small increment", myself, and attribute most of it to missing our starting RG half the season. To this point, last year we rushed 465 times for 2054 yds. This year, we rushed 411 times for 1723 yds. If we'd rushed 465 times, we'd have 1953 yds, a whole 100 yds less. I wouldn't call that "much better" "Committed" may be a fair descriptor - we rushed 465 times last year to 411 times this year, which could be described that way, but I'd personally look at it more as our passing game is both more successful and more productive this year, so we had no reason to push more attempts from the same middling to mediocre run game we had last year. 19 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Time for Josh to start calling his own plays...I think he is ready... Are you serious? We can barely get him to exercise a checkdown, and you want him calling his own plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Chaos said: his ceiling is likely much lower. Why is his ceiling lower ? He doesn’t run like JA otherwise he’s an mvp type talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, wvbillsfan said: Hopefully he stays. But this match made the most sense from the start. If I’m Daboll that’s where I want to go- a loaded team with a good qb that can win now. Without bad time management and situational game management the chargers would’ve been right there fighting for a playoff spot. First thing I do if I’m Daboll is overhaul that strength and conditioning program. The chargers get ravaged with injuries every year. Speaking of injuries what about the eagles never saw anything like it every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: My biggest question is how many coaches leave with him. Could be a few of them. The Bills can block requests to all the other coaches unless McDermott feels it is better to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Why is his ceiling lower ? He doesn’t run like JA otherwise he’s an mvp type talent. Josh is currently discussed as a top 3 QB 29 other QBs are not. Look up the word "likely" in a dictionary, and it will likely come into focus for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Why is his ceiling lower ? He doesn’t run like JA otherwise he’s an mvp type talent. I was wondering that myself. Herbert is way ahead of Allen's first year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I was wondering that myself. Herbert is way ahead of Allen's first year. do you honestly think Josh had nearly the same supporting cast his first year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chaos said: Josh is currently discussed as a top 3 QB 29 other QBs are not. Look up the word "likely" in a dictionary, and it will likely come into focus for you Wow someone disagrees with your opinion about Herbert and you don’t like it. This is a common opinion on Herbert. His rookie year set records. To suggest he doesn’t have a JA ceiling is not supported by the facts. He’s almost as good right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: slight difference - one was let go and second would very much be a Bills OC if not for the promotion. That said, I actually like Anthony Lynn. He is very good as a strategist. Just needs to improve his in-game tactics. Maybe hire an in-game calling situational specialist as an assistant and he would actually be fine as a HC somewhere after spending time as an OC. The Rooney rule will help him. Anthony Lynn did a good job replacing Roman when Wrex fired Roman. Just sayin...... Daboll and Herbert might work big time. But, you never know....chemistry is an unpredictable thing. Josh Allen is the biggest part of this years success and another O system, now, would have to be learned.....however, Josh is now big time NLF trained and will flourish whoever is OC. I see a lot of continuity being maintained however. I don't know how to do that organizationally, but that is what McD is hired to do. Lets let him do it. (Bean will help if asked, but its McD's staff) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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