Fins Heaven is a hilarious read if you have the time

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I do remember.  I also remember the Bills doing the same exact thing, and getting more out of their team.   I dont think you can separate the QB decision from his direction as a head coach.  I agree with you on Tua.  He has a quick release, but even when he was at Alabama you could see he lacked arm strength, was slight, and was injury prone.   Not to mention he was playing with one of the best wideout corps in college football history. 

 

I just dont see it with Flores.   I think you'll see the Dolphins regress next year when they have to play a 2nd place schedule and not a 4th place schedule like this year.   Agree to disagree on this.  But it reminds me a lot of the media narrative on Coaches like Todd Bowles, and Gus Bradley who were master motivators who were going to come in and change the culture.    Bottom line, if the Dolphins dont get a QB I dont think they win more than 7 or 8 games next year.

 

 

The evaluation of Tua as a prospect isn't on the coach. If your argument for not liking Flores is you don't like Tua then that isn't on him. That is on Chris Grier. As for the Bradley comparison.... waaaaaay off. He never got close to changing the culture. Todd Bowles I actually have some symapthy with. He came in and got a vet team to 10-6 his first year and only just missed the playoffs. His record after that did stink but I think he was badly let down by personnel decisions. Bowles could still get another shot some place IMO. 

Edited January 5, 2021 by GunnerBill

[Yav]

56 minutes ago, T master said:

 

 

I think if the Bills had a really good RB (like a A.J Dillon) and some of the D rookies could develop into top D players this team could be even better than the Bills of the 90's . 

 

 

Can't compare, different era for sure and Bruce Smith was a once in a life time player. 
What those 90's Bills teams did, I don't think will ever be duplicated. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

28 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I do remember.  I also remember the Bills doing the same exact thing, and getting more out of their team.   I dont think you can separate the QB decision from his direction as a head coach.  I agree with you on Tua.  He has a quick release, but even when he was at Alabama you could see he lacked arm strength, was slight, and was injury prone.   Not to mention he was playing with one of the best wideout corps in college football history. 

 

I just dont see it with Flores.   I think you'll see the Dolphins regress next year when they have to play a 2nd place schedule and not a 4th place schedule like this year.   Agree to disagree on this.  But it reminds me a lot of the media narrative on Coaches like Todd Bowles, and Gus Bradley who were master motivators who were going to come in and change the culture.    Bottom line, if the Dolphins dont get a QB I dont think they win more than 7 or 8 games next year.

 

 

 

We shall see.  They did win 10 this year with Fitz and Tua, i think that in itself is a hell of an accomplishment.  The Dolphins have a bounty of picks and could snag a good QB prospect at #3.  As for Tua, Fitz is getting old and I am not sure he will be around next year to bail out Tua.

[Matt_In_NH]

13 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

There’s a lot of them who have no issue with it. And they shouldn’t. It’s sports.

The reality is it is not all that different than Bills forums.  A lot of fans in general have a hard time being objective.

[KGun12TD]

Pure Humor Gold...Thank you so much for this. I can't stop laughing.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

38 minutes ago, mattynh said:

I figured some of their fans would say that.  The only play that really showed this was the pass to Davis.  Which I can sort of understand but the Dolphins were stat building and continuing to try and get back in the game so it if was over maybe they should have let off the gas some.   Some of being a good play caller is doing the opposite of what the defense thinks you are going to do.   The Dolphins are stacking the box expecting you to run clock, throw it over their heads and make them defend more, I have no issue with that.

 

LOL.  I'll wait for one of the film gurus for that, but the pass to Davis appears to me as Miami showing an aggressive "cover0" or "blitz0" look pre-snap.  Then as it happened, they didn't bring a full-out blitz but dropped guys over the middle in coverage and only rushed four, which is something they like to do.

 

Brett Kollman has a good thing on Cover0 if you're interested, but fundamentally, what a defense is doing with "cover0" or "blitz0" is daring the QB to beat them deep**.  If he can't, they'll be in his face hard the rest of the game (Baltimore did this to Allen last year).  If he can, it's an invitation to a TD.

 

Basically what Miami's D did was disrespect Barkley's arm and say "I don't think you can throw deep, I don't think the OL you've got can protect you well enough for you to throw deep even though we're not really bringing the heat, and if you can throw deep I don't think the WR you've got in the game can catch it deep.

 

Barkley and Daboll said "OK, you want to be that way, we'll be that way too."

 

Here's just post-snap, pretty much like pre-snap look.  Note you can see all 11 defenders and the FS is only 5-6 yds or so off the LOS.  I don't know if it is blitz0, but it's for sure a blitz0 kind of look.  The Bills only have 2 WR on the field.

 

 

Here's at the top of Barkley's drop.  Barkley has glanced at Davis, seen that he's gotten a free release and is gonna beat his guy, and has moved on to staring at McKenzie.   Meanwhile, Miami is all "ha ha fooled ya, only rushing 4" and Barkley has time to dial up Jimmy Johns and order a sandwich back there.

 

I don't know what Miami is doing at this point - maybe hoping Barkley will throw to McKenzie and they can jump the route and pick?  Because the safety seems to be in a staring contest with Barkley.

 

Just after Barkley releases.  Notice that McKenzie has beaten his guy but the safety is in a fine position to rob the route.  Meanwhile, Davis has beaten his guy like a drum.  There's nothing ahead of him but "land, lots of land under starry skies above" and Davis makes the catch and starts singing "Let me ride through the wild open country that I love"

 

I don't know what Flores and the Miami D were thinking, but "safeties" are called "safeties" for a reason.  They outsmarted themselves there.  And I know we like to diss on Barkley here, but he is an NFL QB with a competent NFL QB brain and he sorted that play and did the right thing.

 

**screen play also effective

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

By page 2, a few of the Miami posters were alluding to the fact that the time outs being called were probably the reason for the long ball.

 

[thenorthremembers]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The evaluation of Tua as a prospect isn't on the coach. If your argument for not liking Flores is you don't like Tua then that isn't on him. That is on Chris Grier. As for the Bradley comparison.... waaaaaay off. He never got close to changing the culture. Todd Bowles I actually have some symapthy with. He came in and got a vet team to 10-6 his first year and only just missed the playoffs. His record after that did stink but I think he was badly let down by personnel decisions. Bowles could still get another shot some place IMO. 

I wouldnt say I dont like Flores.  I just think all of the media and fan love is a little premature.   He is a below .500 coach.   My comparison to Bradley wasnt based on record or outcome, it was based on the media reaction to him as well.  If you recall he was the high energy guy with the exoctic defense that was going to turn the organization around.  Now with Flores he is the more low key detail oriented guy who would turn the organization around like Bowles.

 

On Tua and personnel decisions, its not strictly on the GM.  The GM and coach work together to decide who will be on the 53.   The coach has final say over  the game day roster.   Again, time will tell whether he succeeds.   My point right now is he hasnt.  He was 10-6 playing a 4th place schedule, nearly half of their wins this year came against teams with a combined record of 9-54.   I just think the Flores love is a bit premature is all.   

 

On the Bowles thing, I think he is a fantastic coordinator but I'd be very surprised if he gets a second shot.

Edited January 5, 2021 by thenorthremembers

[atomicpwrd]

50 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

WRT the actual thread:

 

There is no such thing as running up the score in professional sports. And I'd even say there is no such thing as running up the score in College Football either.

 

These guys are paid professionals. You dont want them to score, then stop them. We put our backups in, so stop them. It would be even more insulting and humiliating for us to, what?, go out and kneel it down 3 times then punt? What do they want us to do?

 

It wasnt running up the score when the Pats did it to us. It isnt running up the score when we do it to other teams.

 

If they don't like getting scored on, then stop us.

I agree 100%...plus there is this:

 

Maybe we should take our foot off the gas after the first half so we can blow a lead and booted in the first round of the playoffs

 

-or-

 

Take our foot off the gas and let the other team get close so we can lose to a hail mary...

 

When a team is down...finish the job...nobody is gonna feel sorry for us if we lose because we tried to play nice.

 

We put our backups in against your starters...if you can't stop them are we just supposed to lay down on the field?  Total ridiculousness!

[TheBrownBear]

It's fun to read, but signing up and posting to gloat is pretty low.  Picture how pissed and emotional our fanbase would be if the Pats just kicked our teeth in and knocked us out of the playoffs.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I wouldnt say I dont like Flores.  I just think all of the media and fan love is a little premature.   He is a below .500 coach.   My comparison to Bradley wasnt based on record or outcome, it was based on the media reaction to him as well.  If you recall he was the high energy guy with the exoctic defense that was going to turn the organization around.  Now with Flores he is the more low key detail oriented guy who would turn the organization around like Bowles.

 

On Tua and personnel decisions, its not strictly on the GM.  The GM and coach work together to decide who will be on the 53.   The coach has final say over  the game day roster.   Again, time will tell whether he succeeds.   My point right now is he hasnt.  He was 10-6 playing a 4th place schedule, nearly half of their wins this year came against teams with a combined record of 9-54.   I just think the Flores love is a bit premature is all.   

 

On the Bowles thing, I think he is a fantastic coordinator but I'd be very surprised if he gets a second shot.

 

The evaluation of Tua was the GM. Now I accept if Flores was set against it he's have been able to veto, but the decision to select Tua was on the GM. The decision to start him seems less clear cut but it was the right decision IMO. You have a team that is on the rise and could be competitive very soon so you better find out what you have at Quarterback. And their wins came mainly against weaker teams? Sure. Just like the 10-6 Bills a year ago. It is natural progression. Now maybe the QB position will hold them back. Maybe the coaching will.... but to this point Flores deserves the love he is getting. He has done an excellent job. He wouldn't be my coach of the year but I wouldn't argue anyone who votes for him. 

[Jauronimo]

If it was week 16 against a 3-12 team, then yeah, poor sportsmanship.  But it was week 17 against a team playing for a wild card spot and a team playing for homefield.  If you get beat by 30 points, thats on you Phins.  Are we supposed to take pity on a 10-5 team that we were a coin flip away from playing the very next week?!?!?!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, atomicpwrd said:

I agree 100%...plus there is this:

 

Maybe we should take our foot off the gas after the first half so we can blow a lead and booted in the first round of the playoffs

 

-or-

 

Take our foot off the gas and let the other team get close so we can lose to a hail mary...

 

When a team is down...finish the job...nobody is gonna feel sorry for us if we lose because we tried to play nice.

 

We put our backups in against your starters...if you can't stop them are we just supposed to lay down on the field?  Total ridiculousness!

 

Exactly correct on all points, especially that last: "We put our backups in against your starters, if you can't stop them are we supposed to just lay down on the field?"

 

Especially when the Dolphins are still playing aggressively on defense with that blitz0 looking thingy they did on the Davis TD where once he beat his guy they had nobody downfield.

[FastFreddy22]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

LOL.  I'll wait for one of the film gurus for that, but the pass to Davis appears to me as Miami showing an aggressive "cover0" or "blitz0" look pre-snap.  Then as it happened, they didn't bring a full-out blitz but dropped guys over the middle in coverage and only rushed four, which is something they like to do.

 

Brett Kollman has a good thing on Cover0 if you're interested, but fundamentally, what a defense is doing with "cover0" or "blitz0" is daring the QB to beat them deep**.  If he can't, they'll be in his face hard the rest of the game (Baltimore did this to Allen last year).  If he can, it's an invitation to a TD.

 

Basically what Miami's D did was disrespect Barkley's arm and say "I don't think you can throw deep, I don't think the OL you've got can protect you well enough for you to throw deep even though we're not really bringing the heat, and if you can throw deep I don't think the WR you've got in the game can catch it deep.

 

Barkley and Daboll said "OK, you want to be that way, we'll be that way too."

 

Here's just post-snap, pretty much like pre-snap look.  Note you can see all 11 defenders and the FS is only 5-6 yds or so off the LOS.  I don't know if it is blitz0, but it's for sure a blitz0 kind of look.  The Bills only have 2 WR on the field.

 

 

Here's at the top of Barkley's drop.  Barkley has glanced at Davis, seen that he's gotten a free release and is gonna beat his guy, and has moved on to staring at McKenzie.   Meanwhile, Miami is all "ha ha fooled ya, only rushing 4" and Barkley has time to dial up Jimmy Johns and order a sandwich back there.

 

I don't know what Miami is doing at this point - maybe hoping Barkley will throw to McKenzie and they can jump the route and pick?  Because the safety seems to be in a staring contest with Barkley.

 

Just after Barkley releases.  Notice that McKenzie has beaten his guy but the safety is in a fine position to rob the route.  Meanwhile, Davis has beaten his guy like a drum.  There's nothing ahead of him but "land, lots of land under starry skies above" and Davis makes the catch and starts singing "Let me ride through the wild open country that I love"

 

I don't know what Flores and the Miami D were thinking, but "safeties" are called "safeties" for a reason.  They outsmarted themselves there.  And I know we like to diss on Barkley here, but he is an NFL QB with a competent NFL QB brain and he sorted that play and did the right thing.

 

**screen play also effective

 

Great breakdown this would make Brian Baldinger proud

[LewPort71]

41 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We have that if you are not a logged in member. I'd assume that goes away on Fin Haven if you are a member as well.

 

SDS has gotta pay the bills somehow!

You are correct,  As a "guest" there is an ad after  the first post in a thread.  

 

GO Bills

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

If it was week 16 against a 3-12 team, then yeah, poor sportsmanship.  But it was week 17 against a team playing for a wild card spot and a team playing for homefield.  If you get beat by 30 points, thats on you Phins.  Are we supposed to take pity on a 10-5 team that we were a coin flip away from playing the very next week?!?!?!

 

We were playing backups in all 3 phases of the game.  The Phins were still playing like they were trying to get back into it - timeouts, blitz0 looks, onside kicks.

 

 

[MJS]

Backup players don't get to play much. I'm willing to get them some good experience against starters and risk fans crying about running up the score.

 

It's the NFL. Deal with it. The Bills did the right thing and they now understand their backup players better in case they are needed during their playoff run.

[Golden*Wheels]

I mean...we could have faced them the very next week, though that was long odds, right?  In any other case, I'd kind of be like...yeah..you normally DON'T have the backup QB tossing bombs. But given we might have seenthem the next week...i think we were trying to make a point.

 

'Come back, and just know you gonna get it again. Cuz we can. Even with our backups.'

[FastFreddy22]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

It's fun to read, but signing up and posting to gloat is pretty low.  Picture how pissed and emotional our fanbase would be if the Pats just kicked our teeth in and knocked us out of the playoffs.

I dont think any of us have.  I just posted for us to read and enjoy that were the team providing the fire now! Go Bills!!

[May Day 10]

I dislike running up the score, but I dont think this was a case of that.

 

First off, the Bills had practice squad guys doing it, and Matt Barkely.  

 

Second, the Dolphins were not calling it.  They were still trying to win, attempting to hurry up, pass the ball, timeouts, etc.  Give up and start running clock, show your belly and fold your hand if you dont want the other team to score points.  If the Dolphins were clearly just trying to get out of there, then yes, I think the Bills should do their part to just run the 4th quarter.

[syhuang]

Buffalo was trying to run out of clock when they got the ball at 8:40 leading 49-19 in the 4th quarter. The game has already decided and let's just get everyone out of the game healthy. But no, Flores still wanted to play and called timeouts. After he called 2 consecutive timeouts when the game was out of reach, McDermott and Daboll probably just said if Flores wanted to continue to play, we'd continue to play as he wish. McKenzie ran a go route but Barkley's long pass didn't connect this time.

 

--------------------------

(8:40 - 4th) J.Sanders kicks 58 yards from MIA 35 to BUF 7. I.McKenzie pushed ob at BUF 12 for 5 yards (Br.Jones).

1st & 10 at BUF 12

(8:37 - 4th) A.Williams right tackle to BUF 13 for 1 yard (Z.Sieler).

(8:29 - 4th) Timeout #1 by MIA at 08:29.

2nd & 9 at BUF 13

(8:29 - 4th) A.Williams up the middle to BUF 14 for 1 yard (C.Wilkins; J.Perry).

(8:23 - 4th) Timeout #2 by MIA at 08:23.

3rd & 8 at BUF 14

(8:22 - 4th) (Shotgun) M.Barkley pass incomplete deep right to I.McKenzie (N.Igbinoghene) [Z.Sieler].

4th & 8 at BUF 14

(8:16 - 4th) (Punt formation) PENALTY on BUF-S.Neal, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 14 - No Play.

4th & 13 at BUF 9

(8:04 - 4th) C.Bojorquez punts 67 yards to MIA 24, Center-R.Ferguson. M.Perry MUFFS catch, and recovers at MIA 22. M.Perry pushed ob at MIA 34 for 12 yards (A.Klein).

--------------------------

 

 

In Bills' next possession, Barkley connected with Gabriel for the 56 yard touchdown. If Flores didn't call timeouts, Buffalo probably tried to run out of the clock. But no, Flores wanted to continue to play so McDermott granted his wish.

 

--------------------------

1st & 10 at BUF 44

(6:18 - 4th) M.Barkley pass deep middle to G.Davis for 56 yards, TOUCHDOWN.T.Bass extra point is GOOD, Center-R.Ferguson, Holder-C.Bojorquez.

--------------------------

 

 

When Bills got the ball back at 2:47 leading 56-26, Flores still refused the game had decided. He still called his final timeout at 2:13 left. If their fans wanted to complain Bills running up the score, they have their own coach to blame.

 

--------------------------

(2:47 - 4th) (Onside Kick formation) J.Sanders kicks onside 12 yards from MIA 35 to MIA 47. G.Davis (didn't try to advance) to MIA 47 for no gain.

1st & 10 at MIA 47

(2:45 - 4th) A.Williams left tackle to MIA 40 for 7 yards (J.Perry).

(2:13 - 4th) Timeout #3 by MIA at 02:13.

2nd & 3 at MIA 40

(2:12 - 4th) A.Williams left tackle to MIA 35 for 5 yards (Br.Jones, K.Van Noy).

(2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning

1st & 10 at MIA 35

(1:59 - 4th) M.Barkley kneels to MIA 36 for -1 yards.

2nd & 11 at MIA 36

(1:17 - 4th) M.Barkley kneels to MIA 37 for -1 yards.

3rd & 12 at MIA 37

(0:37 - 4th) M.Barkley kneels to MIA 38 for -1 yards.

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[Miyagi-Do Karate]

It’s fun debating the ethics of running up the score!! 

[BuffaloBill]

I feel for them and at the same time find the notion that we ran up the score laughable. Our best players (especially JA and Diggs) were sitting on the bench. Our O-line, receivers and D were all rotating as mush as is possible in the third and 4th Q. The Fins failed to stop the barrage. It’s really that simple.

[Patrick Duffy]

This post by a Fins poster is exactly correct.

 

"Sorry but how can you consider pulling your starters and your team cannot beat the second stringers " running up the score" i mean seriously i would totally agree if starters were in there.

But this really is just useless crying at this point.

Ask the coach and the organization why the heck they cannot beat second stringers."

 

The ones crying about it must have forgot about Bills back ups in after half time.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy

[mgs2277]

Honestly, it didn't sit well with me. 

 

BUT, I'm sure McD and Daboll may have thought " what if the first string offense gets hit with COVID next week?" Need to know if you can run the offense as is with the backups.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

"Because they are pri***..." 😆 Love it OP, great read. "Patriots-esque" was another fun analogy. What a time to be a Bills fan!!!!! 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

This post by a Fins was is exactly correct.

 

"Sorry but how can you consider pulling your starters and your team cannot beat the second stringers " running up the score" i mean seriously i would totally agree if starters were in there.

But this really is just useless crying at this point.

Ask the coach and the organization why the heck they cannot beat second stringers."

 

The ones crying about it must have forgot about Bills back ups in after half time.

 

Yep.  And as myself and others have pointed out, it's not just the Fins being unable to beat second stringers, they were still going at it aggressively with the timeouts, the defensive play calling, and the onside kick.

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, mgs2277 said:

Honestly, it didn't sit well with me. 

 

BUT, I'm sure McD and Daboll may have thought " what if the first string offense gets hit with COVID next week?" Need to know if you can run the offense as is with the backups.  

I don't understand why it "didn't sit well" with you? I mean the back ups came in after the half. They did what they are supposed to do. The Fins starters couldn't hang with the Bills back ups.

 

Also Tua throwing 3 INTs to the Bills Back ups did not help either.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I actually think part of the phins game plan was to get the bills starters out of the game as soon as possible

 

The game starts and the dolphins are sending all out blitzes and getting a few hits on Allen, the bills continue to send the starters out and all of a sudden the dolphins defense starts playing off less aggressive letting bills wr's catch the ball gain a few yards and get down without a tackle - it almost came off as let them get their records and get them out of the game except the bills just kept sending their starters out

 

But any ways its not running up the score when its the back ups in a game that the other team needs to make the playoffs - if anything its respecting the game (in the news for eagles/giants fiasco)

Edited January 5, 2021 by Cheektowaga Chad

[SDS]

1 hour ago, LewPort71 said:

Reading that message board is funny as all get out.

It makes me appreciate what TBD has and what it does not have.

Having ads in the middle of threads is tedious.

SDS,, Thanks for keeping the threads 'clean' and devoid of ads.

 

I'm not going to dog them for that. They have been around probably as much as us. Someone has to pay bills and make it worth our while. Those ads are no different than a commercial in the middle of your TV show or movie. It's an honest exchange. "I won't charge you, but I do have an advertiser that would like to show you something."

 

It's fair as long as publishers don't abuse the exchange.

[ndirish1978]

That site's moderators banning Bills fans just for talking just made me appreciate this place more. What a thin-skinned group. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

A number of people defended the Bills, basically stated "because they can"  One thing I didn't see mentioned was the Bills did it with as many second stringers playing as they could.  Last two  of three TD's were both runs too I believe 

 

Miami kept passing the ball too trying to score and when not successful giving the ball right.  Even in the NE game, the Pats just ran the ball the last five minutes or so just trying to end it quickly, Miami didn't really try to do that.

 

I will agree with one comment they made, I did think the end of game handshake between the 2 coaches was a very quick exchange, quicker than normal, so maybe Flores was mad.

 

Granted it could come back to bite us next year, will see.

[Kwai San]

2 hours ago, FastFreddy22 said:

Youll love reading their tears man...it took alot out of me to not create an account and just put them all on blast lol

 

I am not as noble as you sir.....I created and blasted on individual.....then I stopped.....for now.....EDIT.....Opps I been banned!!!!  Reason?  Bills Troll....I kid you not.  They are pretty thin skinned!!!!

 

Go BILLS!!!

Edited January 5, 2021 by Kwai San

[RobbRiddick]

I looked at that forum after the game and a lot of them had been (in the game thread) openly hoping and praying for Bills players to get injured. I've never done that with any player (other than Tom Brady)

[Coffeesforclosers]

In the modern NFL, what used to be called "Running Up The Score" is just how you play the game.  Why?  Because a playoff-caliber offense can rattle off 21+ points in 10 minutes.  Atlanta lost the big dance up 28-3 at the half.  You CANNOT aford to just trust your defense to hold up against playoff quality opposition, their coaches know this too, and that's why they don't quit.

 

Offenses are too good, and coaches don't have to shake hands and take their medicine with time on the clock if their QB has a bad half and goes down three scores. 

[H2o]

I just read through the 8 pages of it and laughed at more than a few posts. We too have been on the end of those kinds of beatdowns. Mainly against the Pats and Tom Brady. They couldn't stop our starters in the first half and couldn't stop the 2nd/3rd string in the 2nd half. What are we supposed to do? Call the Jills out of retirement and tell them to suit up? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, mgs2277 said:

Honestly, it didn't sit well with me. 

 

BUT, I'm sure McD and Daboll may have thought " what if the first string offense gets hit with COVID next week?" Need to know if you can run the offense as is with the backups.  

 

Fins fan, amIiright? Welcome....

 

As has been pointed out here several times, if Flores doesn't want to concede defeat and continues to call plays like he's trying to get back in it (calling timeouts on run plays/aggressive ball-buster blitz0 shows going to robber coverage, onside kicks etc), it needs to be expected that the other side will return fire.  If that doesn't sit well with you, look at your own coach.

 

As for the backups, as someone here pointed out, they don't get "showtime" often.  They're trying to eat.  Going balls-to-the-wall and putting down some good film might mean they get a shot to start on another team (or move up the depth chart here) next season.  Of course they're going to do that.  This is their profession, it's how they pay the rent/mortgage and feed their families, and there's no job security at the bottom of an NFL roster.

 

I think it needs to be remembered that Flores and Daboll were both assistant coaches with NE overlapping 2013 (when Daboll returned) thru 2016 (when Daboll went to Bama for 2017).  I've heard talk that the assistant coach environment in NE is pretty competitive.  Chris Simms commented on this on a recent "Unbuttoned", saying that Daboll was always a decent straightforward guy.  We have no info (that I know of) on the relationship between Daboll and Flores.  So who knows how that played into the defensive playcalls from MIA, or the offensive playcalls from BUF, but it's another factor.

[Buffalo716]

You can't run up the score in an NFL game against professionals

 

Clemson can run up the score versus citadel and look like a fool 

 

The only ones embarrassing themselves were the dolphins

 

 

 

 

 

[todd]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I love this!

 

Jayjayb said:

Gotta love the Bills trolls... when they sucked for the better part of 25 years you don’t hear from them, then they get a taste of success and they become big time a$$holes... I grew up in Niagara Falls, Canada- been to Bills games, and I remember getting beer thrown at me when I was 13, because I was wearing a Marino jersey... grown men calling on a kid because I was a Dolphin fan- drunk and verbally aggressive, scared the crap out of my family... never experienced that in any other stadium I’ve been too...very disappointed in the loss today but I am glad I am not a part of the most ignorant, disgusting fan base in the NFL

You love that some drunk fans threw beer on a kid? I think that sucks. That’s classless and shouldn’t happen. This guy is right. That’s disgusting and ignorant. That’s not my experience with our fan base, but it should never happen.

[Kwai San]

23 minutes ago, mgs2277 said:

Honestly, it didn't sit well with me. 

 

BUT, I'm sure McD and Daboll may have thought " what if the first string offense gets hit with COVID next week?" Need to know if you can run the offense as is with the backups.  

 

You are sure some thin skinned fans on that site of yours.....I was banned for one post.  ONE POST!  You are here after 5 and will be here for quite a few more.....think about THAT.