AJ Klein: Tremaine Edmunds "a True Mike"

[Thurman#1]

I searched for this before posting, and was surprised not to find it her on the boards yet. Mods, if I missed something, please feel free to fold it into another thread.

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/12/bills-matt-milano-almost-back-impact-on-aj-kleins-role-tremaine-edmunds-a-true-mlb.html

 

"Last week against the Los Angeles Chargers, Klein was the star, finishing with a game-high 14 tackles and 1.5 sacks. But Edmunds was arguably just as good. Pro Football Focus gave Klein a 91.0 grade in run defense and Edmunds just barely lower at a 90.7. In Edmunds last three games he’s received overall grades of 62.3, 63.6, and 74.2. The highest single-game grade he registered in his first 7 games was a 55.5.

 

"Klein played with 5x first team All Pro middle linebacker Luke Kuechly in Carolina and watched him play the position as well as anybody has done it this century. He said Edmunds is a smart player whose preparation and leadership make him stand out. He said Edmunds is a true “Mike” linebacker.

 

“ 'When you watch him on film not many guys that are his size can move and cover like he does,' Klein said. 'To be able to be that downhill, physical guy that he is, not only his skill set physically but his skillset mentally. How he approaches the game and how he understands the game, how he studies - he is a true ‘Mike’ linebacker and that’s where he belongs. You can see him, he’s sideline to sideline making plays all across the field. ... He really is something special to watch. It’s fun to be able to play with him.' ”

 

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This should end the discussion. But it won't. There are plenty of people who think they're way smarter and know more about the Bills defense than guys who play on it or coach for it. We'll doubtless hear from them.

 

But let's hear none of the "Well, he had to say that," nonsense, because it's just not true. All he had to say was - and this is true of every player or coach - is the Crash Davis cliches. Yeah, you can't say bad things of a teammate. But it's totally fine to restrict yourself to the usual, "He gives 110% eight days a week and 25 hours a day," or "I want him beside me in an alley fight," or "He's a good good player. Works hard and it shows," or "I want him in my foxhole with me," or "I love going to war with that guy" or "True Buffalo Bills spirit. A tough guy who always brings it," the usual copy-and-paste sayings. Those are what you have to say. When you get very specific about things, you're going far beyond what you have to say and you're saying what you believe. Klein wasn't asked about whether Tremaine is a Mike. He simply said what he sees and knows.

Edited December 5, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Ya Digg?]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

I searched for this before posting, and was surprised not to find it her on the boards yet. Mods, if I missed something, please feel free to fold it into another thread.

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/12/bills-matt-milano-almost-back-impact-on-aj-kleins-role-tremaine-edmunds-a-true-mlb.html

 

"Last week against the Los Angeles Chargers, Klein was the star, finishing with a game-high 14 tackles and 1.5 sacks. But Edmunds was arguably just as good. Pro Football Focus gave Klein a 91.0 grade in run defense and Edmunds just barely lower at a 90.7. In Edmunds last three games he’s received overall grades of 62.3, 63.6, and 74.2. The highest single-game grade he registered in his first 7 games was a 55.5.

 

"Klein played with 5x first team All Pro middle linebacker Luke Kuechly in Carolina and watched him play the position as well as anybody has done it this century. He said Edmunds is a smart player whose preparation and leadership make him stand out. He said Edmunds is a true “Mike” linebacker.

 

“ 'When you watch him on film not many guys that are his size can move and cover like he does,' Klein said. 'To be able to be that downhill, physical guy that he is, not only his skill set physically but his skillset mentally. How he approaches the game and how he understands the game, how he studies - he is a true ‘Mike’ linebacker and that’s where he belongs. You can see him, he’s sideline to sideline making plays all across the field. ... He really is something special to watch. It’s fun to be able to play with him.' ”

 

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This should end the discussion. But it won't. There are plenty of people who think they're way smarter and know more about the Bills defense than guys who play on it or coach for it. We'll doubtless hear from them.

 

But let's hear none of the "Well, he had to say that," nonsense, because it's just not true. All he had to say was - and this is true of every player or coach - is the Crash Davis cliches. Yeah, you can't say bad things of a teammate. But it's totally fine to restrict yourself to the usual, "He gives 110% eight days a week and 25 hours a day," or "I want him beside me in an alley fight," or "He's a good good player. Works hard and it shows," or "I want him in my foxhole with me," or "I love going to war with that guy" or "True Buffalo Bills spirit. A tough guy who always brings it," the usual copy-and-paste sayings. Those are what you have to say. When you get very specific about things, you're going far beyond what you have to say and you're saying what you believe. Klein wasn't asked about whether Tremaine is a Mike. He simply said what he sees and knows.

What’s funny is that some posters on here who can’t give up the idea that he shouldn’t be the Mike are also the same people who get upset when people won’t drop the “Josh Allen is inaccurate” argument 

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

Maybe the bye gave him a chance to heal his shoulder.

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

I searched for this before posting, and was surprised not to find it her on the boards yet. Mods, if I missed something, please feel free to fold it into another thread.

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/12/bills-matt-milano-almost-back-impact-on-aj-kleins-role-tremaine-edmunds-a-true-mlb.html

 

"Last week against the Los Angeles Chargers, Klein was the star, finishing with a game-high 14 tackles and 1.5 sacks. But Edmunds was arguably just as good. Pro Football Focus gave Klein a 91.0 grade in run defense and Edmunds just barely lower at a 90.7. In Edmunds last three games he’s received overall grades of 62.3, 63.6, and 74.2. The highest single-game grade he registered in his first 7 games was a 55.5.

 

"Klein played with 5x first team All Pro middle linebacker Luke Kuechly in Carolina and watched him play the position as well as anybody has done it this century. He said Edmunds is a smart player whose preparation and leadership make him stand out. He said Edmunds is a true “Mike” linebacker.

 

“ 'When you watch him on film not many guys that are his size can move and cover like he does,' Klein said. 'To be able to be that downhill, physical guy that he is, not only his skill set physically but his skillset mentally. How he approaches the game and how he understands the game, how he studies - he is a true ‘Mike’ linebacker and that’s where he belongs. You can see him, he’s sideline to sideline making plays all across the field. ... He really is something special to watch. It’s fun to be able to play with him.' ”

 

-------------

 

 

This should end the discussion. But it won't. There are plenty of people who think they're way smarter and know more about the Bills defense than guys who play on it or coach for it. We'll doubtless hear from them.

 

But let's hear none of the "Well, he had to say that," nonsense, because it's just not true. All he had to say was - and this is true of every player or coach - is the Crash Davis cliches. Yeah, you can't say bad things of a teammate. But it's totally fine to restrict yourself to the usual, "He gives 110% eight days a week and 25 hours a day," or "I want him beside me in an alley fight," or "He's a good good player. Works hard and it shows," or "I want him in my foxhole with me," or "I love going to war with that guy" or "True Buffalo Bills spirit. A tough guy who always brings it," the usual copy-and-paste sayings. Those are what you have to say. When you get very specific about things, you're going far beyond what you have to say and you're saying what you believe. Klein wasn't asked about whether Tremaine is a Mike. He simply said what he sees and knows.

 

 

 It's not very specific, though.  All of this stuff (physical/great athlete, studies a lot, sideline to sideline, fun to watch) has been said of Edmunds last year (not so much this season).  It's not a deep dive by AJ--just a nice guy who is playing well trying to talk up his teammate... which is great for team unity (plus he no doubt has seen the criticisms of Edmunds out) there.  If Edmunds was really killing it out there this season, Klein (nor much anyone else) probably wouldn't have made such a comment---wouldn't have to. 

[Sharky7337]

Of course his teammate is going to sing his praises. When I see them whiff on tackles for big plays, like his brother did in the Pittsburgh game this week, it says otherwise.

[AmishRifle]

Not arguing the OP’s point.  This Monday Night will go a long way in showing if Edmunds can shed and make tackles consistently.  

[Virgil]

All of those things may be true,  but he’s not a playmaker nor game changer.  All of those comments would be fine if he weren’t a first round pick, that has certain expectations with it.  

[Green Lightning]

His speed and size are amazing. But I wouldn't call him physical and he can't get off blocks consistently.  Let's see how he does these next few weeks. He's much better against passing teams. 

[Bob in STL]

4 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Of course his teammate is going to sing his praises. When I see them whiff on tackles for big plays, like his brother did in the Pittsburgh game this week, it says otherwise.

What does his brothers play have to do with anything beside showing us that you are grasping to find fault? 
 

Our Edmunds played hurt pretty much the entire first half of the season.  He played hurt because he had to.  Yes, he missed some tackles and yes he was less of a force.  Also look at the play of the DTs in front of him.  
 

When healthy he is a very fine player that is still developing.  At 22 years old he is  3 year veteran.  I see a lot of upside. 

Edited December 5, 2020 by Bob in STL

[RunTheBall]

There is a disconnect between what many fans want in a middle linebacker and what McD wants which contributes to the constant “Edmunds should be moved outside” comments every week. First and foremost McD wants his MLB to be captain of the defenses and get them lined up correctly and by all accounts Edmunds does a tremendous job at this. The next objective for McD is to clog those middle zone passing lanes and this is where Edmunds excels. You can’t quantify the number of passes that weren’t made because he was in the lane with his 8 foot wing span and QB’s dumped off or looked in another direction. It’s unfortunate he seems to have stone hands because if he just caught the balls that hit him in the chest we wouldn’t be having any conversations of him not being a “game changing LB”. McD doesn’t put a premium on his MLB shedding blocks and stopping the run. The MLB can’t be a disaster at it but McD is willing to give up rushing yards to prevent those middle zone passes. It would be nice if Edmunds could shed blocks a little better and fill the right gaps but he’s still VERY young and I think this is something that can be improved upon (like Allen’s inaccuracy) with time. Edmunds isn’t going anywhere. He’s going to man the middle for the next 10 years so people on here should try and get comfortable with it.

[DJB]

Maybe Klein thinks Edmunds is a big donut? 

[dave mcbride]

24 minutes ago, Virgil said:

All of those things may be true,  but he’s not a playmaker nor game changer.  All of those comments would be fine if he weren’t a first round pick, that has certain expectations with it.  

People need to recognize that he was playing injured earlier this season. Not hurt — injured. It has a huge effect.

17 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

His speed and size are amazing. But I wouldn't call him physical and he can't get off blocks consistently.  Let's see how he does these next few weeks. He's much better against passing teams. 

Again he was playing one-armed earlier this season.

[Sherlock Holmes]

12 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

I searched for this before posting, and was surprised not to find it her on the boards yet. Mods, if I missed something, please feel free to fold it into another thread.

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2020/12/bills-matt-milano-almost-back-impact-on-aj-kleins-role-tremaine-edmunds-a-true-mlb.html

 

"Last week against the Los Angeles Chargers, Klein was the star, finishing with a game-high 14 tackles and 1.5 sacks. But Edmunds was arguably just as good. Pro Football Focus gave Klein a 91.0 grade in run defense and Edmunds just barely lower at a 90.7. In Edmunds last three games he’s received overall grades of 62.3, 63.6, and 74.2. The highest single-game grade he registered in his first 7 games was a 55.5.

 

"Klein played with 5x first team All Pro middle linebacker Luke Kuechly in Carolina and watched him play the position as well as anybody has done it this century. He said Edmunds is a smart player whose preparation and leadership make him stand out. He said Edmunds is a true “Mike” linebacker.

 

“ 'When you watch him on film not many guys that are his size can move and cover like he does,' Klein said. 'To be able to be that downhill, physical guy that he is, not only his skill set physically but his skillset mentally. How he approaches the game and how he understands the game, how he studies - he is a true ‘Mike’ linebacker and that’s where he belongs. You can see him, he’s sideline to sideline making plays all across the field. ... He really is something special to watch. It’s fun to be able to play with him.' ”

 

-------------

 

 

This should end the discussion. But it won't. There are plenty of people who think they're way smarter and know more about the Bills defense than guys who play on it or coach for it. We'll doubtless hear from them.

 

But let's hear none of the "Well, he had to say that," nonsense, because it's just not true. All he had to say was - and this is true of every player or coach - is the Crash Davis cliches. Yeah, you can't say bad things of a teammate. But it's totally fine to restrict yourself to the usual, "He gives 110% eight days a week and 25 hours a day," or "I want him beside me in an alley fight," or "He's a good good player. Works hard and it shows," or "I want him in my foxhole with me," or "I love going to war with that guy" or "True Buffalo Bills spirit. A tough guy who always brings it," the usual copy-and-paste sayings. Those are what you have to say. When you get very specific about things, you're going far beyond what you have to say and you're saying what you believe. Klein wasn't asked about whether Tremaine is a Mike. He simply said what he sees and knows.

And Klein definitely knows greatness when he sees it... he did play with the GOAT after all!

Edited December 5, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes

[Big Turk]

21 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

There is a disconnect between what many fans want in a middle linebacker and what McD wants which contributes to the constant “Edmunds should be moved outside” comments every week. First and foremost McD wants his MLB to be captain of the defenses and get them lined up correctly and by all accounts Edmunds does a tremendous job at this. The next objective for McD is to clog those middle zone passing lanes and this is where Edmunds excels. You can’t quantify the number of passes that weren’t made because he was in the lane with his 8 foot wing span and QB’s dumped off or looked in another direction. It’s unfortunate he seems to have stone hands because if he just caught the balls that hit him in the chest we wouldn’t be having any conversations of him not being a “game changing LB”. McD doesn’t put a premium on his MLB shedding blocks and stopping the run. The MLB can’t be a disaster at it but McD is willing to give up rushing yards to prevent those middle zone passes. It would be nice if Edmunds could shed blocks a little better and fill the right gaps but he’s still VERY young and I think this is something that can be improved upon (like Allen’s inaccuracy) with time. Edmunds isn’t going anywhere. He’s going to man the middle for the next 10 years so people on here should try and get comfortable with it.

 

Something we forget...run stuffing middle LBs are probably gone forever...Edmunds' physical skill set is likely what virtually all teams are looking for

Edited December 5, 2020 by matter2003

[TigerJ]

Apparently Edmunds' early season deficiencies were injury related.  I can see why the team didn't make that very public, but it would have been nice to know.  The same has been true of Milano, though I think we were generally more aware of his injury issues this season.  I also was not really aware of the fact that AJ Klein is primarily an middle linebacker.  Playing out of position probably accounts for a lot of his struggles.  If Leslie Frazier had done a better job of adjusting for that early, I might have thought more highly of Klein from the start.  What I've said still is true, I think.  Milano is more athletic and faster. Klein's strengths are rooted in football intelligence and experience, rather than athleticism.  Milano has both, so he can do more things from his outside linebacker spot. With everybody healthy, the defense should be that much more effective down the stretch.

[Shaw66]

Thurm -

 

Thanks for posting this.  I so much want Edmunds to succeed.  

 

I have to say, however, that notwithstanding what Klein says, I still have my doubts, primarily because Edmunds hasn't shown the physicality that I think the Mike needs.   He needs be tougher to block and neutralize than he his, and he has to hit people with more authority than he does.  If you could be a mike without the physicality, Micah Hyde would be playing there.   The position demands a man bigger than a safety because the position demands physicality. 

 

I'm hoping he'll develop in that area, because if he does, he'll be a true star. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

This op Ought to bring all the negative nancies out of the wood work explain how Klein must not understand McDermotts defense and that Edmunds should br some olb role that doesn’t exist or a dime Will or safety or some other non sense 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Good find, Thanks!

 

"Klein played with 5x first team All Pro middle linebacker Luke Kuechly in Carolina and watched him play the position as well as anybody has done it this century. He said Edmunds is a smart player whose preparation and leadership make him stand out. He said Edmunds is a true “Mike” linebacker.

 

“When you watch him on film not many guys that are his size can move and cover like he does,” Klein said. “To be able to be that downhill, physical guy that he is, not only his skill set physically but his skillset mentally. How he approaches the game and how he understands the game, how he studies - he is a true ‘Mike’ linebacker and that’s where he belongs. You can see him, he’s sideline to sideline making plays all across the field. ... He really is something special to watch. It’s fun to be able to play with him.”

 

We have our regulars who are persuaded that Beane, McDermott, and Frazier, despite their track record of strong defense especially last year, are pig-headed about Edmunds and perennially misuse him by keeping him at Mike. 

I don't feel I know enough to second-guess them.  I'd certainly buy that so far, Edmunds is no Luke Keuchly.

 

I find Klein's take on him interesting.

 

[Penfield45]

Not sold on Edmunds at all so far

 

he still has a lot to prove imo. His reading of the game is subpar at the moment 

[Ya Digg?]

So honest question to everyone saying he’s not physical enough-name some linebackers in the league that are “physical enough” - You can probably say Bobby Wagner, but go back and watch the Bills game, dude was getting thrown all over the field. This is an honest question though, and are you truly watching enough of all of the other teams linebackers to know if they are more physical? 
 

as someone said earlier, the big, thumping linebacker days are over-those guys from years ago wouldn’t have any success I. Today’s game. I think Edmunds problem isn’t not being physical enough, his problem comes from taking the wrong angles and picking the wrong holes

5 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

Not sold on Edmunds at all so far

 

he still has a lot to prove imo. His reading of the game is subpar at the moment 

Shocking, you’re against a Bills player...are there players on the team that you actually like?

[Rubes]

Earlier in the season teams were killing us through the air over the middle. It seemed like there was nothing we could do to stop it. We haven't seen nearly as much of it the past few games. My sense is that Edmunds getting healthy again is a big reason for that, but what do I know.

 

[Shaw66]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We have our regulars who are persuaded that Beane, McDermott, and Frazier, despite their track record of strong defense especially last year, are pig-headed about Edmunds and perennially misuse him by keeping him at Mike. I don't feel I know enough to second-guess them.  I'd certainly buy that so far, Edmunds is no Luke Keuchly.

 

I agree with this.  Certainly no Keuchly, but McD is no dummy.  I'm sure he knows Edmunds is not the same guy as Keuchly.   And he knows Edmunds is the classic, old-school Mike.   What I think is going on with McDermott is that he sees that Edmunds is a special physical player (not unlike Allen in the sense that Josh, too, is a special physical player), and McDermott's sense is that he can a build a defense in which Edmunds can have the kind of impact, although in different ways, that Keuchly has had.  That is, in the same way McD looked at Keuchly and thought "I can win with that guy,"  McD looked at Edmunds and told Beane "I want that guy."   Edmunds is still learning and growing, physcially, and McDermott is still figuring out exactly how to play Edmunds.   

 

If McD was correct, Edmunds' best days are still ahead of him.  I expect the Bills will extend him after they extend Allen.   

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

What does his brothers play have to do with anything beside show us that you are grasping to find fault? 
 

 

missed tackling is a genetic abnormality. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said:

Of course his teammate is going to sing his praises. When I see them whiff on tackles for big plays, like his brother did in the Pittsburgh game this week, it says otherwise.

 

What on earth does his brother's play or "them" have to do with it?

[Victory Formation]

I don’t like the idea of having any one true player as a Mike. I like versatility at LB. It’s much harder for offenses to determine what you’re going to do if all three of your LBs can play all three positions. Much easier to disguise blitzes and which players are going to drop back in coverage. Why not put Klein in at Mike in running situations and Edmunds in at Mike in passing situations? Let’s not be too concerned with titles, they matter not. Move everyone around, switch positions and duties based off of what the offense is giving us. This is why I think Buffalo oughta draft another LB with positional versatility. Much harder for offenses to figure out what we’re doing..

[LabattBlue]

In terms of his run defense,  either you have the instincts or you don’t.  He clearly doesn’t, and another year or two or three, isn’t going to change that.  
 

Most of the time, he looks like a man without a position...too big to be a safety, poor instincts to be a MLB, and not physical enough to be a pass rushing OLB. 

 

 

Buyer beware...come contract time. 

[Victory Formation]

1 minute ago, Back the Blue said:

In terms of his run defense,  either you have the instincts or you don’t.  He clearly doesn’t, and another year or two or three, isn’t going to change that.  
 

Most of the time, he looks like a man without a position...too big to be a safety, poor instincts to be a MLB, and not physical enough to be a pass rushing OLB. 

 

 

Buyer beware...come contract time. 

I think Edmunds has mega potential at Will and Sam. In passing situations he is a very good Mike. I disagree that he can’t blitz. I’ve seen him get good pressure and even push offensive linemen backwards when he rushes. Is he Luke Kuechly? Hell naw. He’ll never be a top 5 elite MLB. He’ll never be a Ray Lewis. He does have great versatility though which is extremely valuable. He can play Mike, Will and Sam at a pretty decent level. He should be moved all over. He is not an elite MLB, but he’s a good LB. I hope his contract reflects that. If he’s willing to take $9M-$10Myr I’d love to have him back when it comes time.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

As long as Edmunds doesn’t want to be paid like a top 3 MLB. We already paid White top 2 CB money and he isn’t even ranked in the top 25 best CB’s of 2020. 

[Shaw66]

19 minutes ago, Back the Blue said:

In terms of his run defense,  either you have the instincts or you don’t.  He clearly doesn’t, and another year or two or three, isn’t going to change that.  
 

 

I don't believe this.   Football at this level is all about developing technique and developing an ability to read offenses and respond with the scheme the coaches have implemented.   

 

I keep thinking about White's two interceptions, where he left his man and dropped into underneath coverage, right in the passing lane.  That's not instinct.   He's taught to recognize the situation and make the break in certain circumstances.   And the other defenders also are taught to recognize the same thing and understand that when the circumstances arise, White will be dropping and their responsibilities will change accordingly.  

 

Playing the mike in the defense that McDermott wants to run.   It's study film, recognize, and react.   If you have a superior athlete, he's able to react.   That's where Edmunds is headed.   He never played defense like that in college.   He's had as much to learn on the defensive side as Allen has had on the offense.  Allen isn't done, and Edmunds isn't either. 

[Buffalo Junction]

Edmunds is fine. He’s not a thumper, but he’s usually a sure tackler, and that wingspan not only changes zone depth but changes rushing lanes. If the kid could catch we’re talking about sports center highlights instead of his defaults. 
 

If we’re honest..... Bills fans have complained about every MLB since Chris Spielman. Only reason they didn’t complain about him is that bitching about a three time all-pro makes you look like a moron. 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Sounds to me like maybe AJ just likes getting chances to rush the passer and shorter routes to wide bouncing RB's etc..

 

I doubt he wants to go back to playing MLB like he did in Carolina.

[LabattBlue]

29 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't believe this.   Football at this level is all about developing technique and developing an ability to read offenses and respond with the scheme the coaches have implemented.   

He’s been in the league and started almost 3 full years(with the same HC and DC).  At what point does he learn how to read a running play and not go to the wrong spot?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Sounds to me like maybe AJ just likes getting chances to rush the passer and shorter routes to wide bouncing RB's etc..

I doubt he wants to go back to playing MLB like he did in Carolina.

 

Didn't he mostly play Sam in Carolina?  I know he played MLB when Kuechly was injured, but he played more than that...

 

Luke Keuchly, now after the 2015 and 2016 seasons, there's a guy we'd kick out of bed around here for eating "Injured Too Much" crackers.

[Victory Formation]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Sounds to me like maybe AJ just likes getting chances to rush the passer and shorter routes to wide bouncing RB's etc..

 

I doubt he wants to go back to playing MLB like he did in Carolina.

Well.. Once again, I don’t think we should give anyone titles.. Between playing Will, Mike and Sam we’ll likely see percentages. If it’s 3rd and short, why not have Klein at Mike and blitz him up the gut? If it’s 3rd and long, why not plug Edmunds in at Mike? Whomever is playing Mike should be determined based off of the situation. Mix it up and vice versa.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

This only confirms he played very poorly until recently. I think the bare minimum you can say about a first round pick is "He is a true (insert position)"

 

I'm glad his play has improved. Hopefully the regression was due only to injury. I really wanted the Bills to draft this guy and have been very disappointed this season until recently.

 

[Rc2catch]

Edmunds catches a lot of hate around here but there’s a lot worse options out there. 
Add in the fact that this is a tough defense to play as a MLB. Devin White looks amazing in Tampa, sometimes. But he’s just as easily swallowed by blockers on runs and out of position in pass coverage like what happens to Edmunds sometimes. The general trend on this board is we are WRONG most of the time judging these players. 
7-8 weeks ago we would of cut Bass, Klein, Edmunds, Levi, go back farther and we’re cutting Star who we are mostly all suddenly loving and missing. Where would we be today if fans had majority vote on roster decisions?

Tremaine is a good player and has shown he has not peaked yet at an early age. There’s no real reasons to replace him or draft a replacement yet.  

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, Penfield45 said:

Not sold on Edmunds at all so far

 

he still has a lot to prove imo. His reading of the game is subpar at the moment 

did you stop watching the Bills in week 5 or something ? 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

People need to recognize that he was playing injured earlier this season. Not hurt — injured. It has a huge effect.

Again he was playing one-armed earlier this season.

 

He was and the fact he is healthy certainly seems to have improved his play and he is back to his 2019 level. The confusing thing for me is the parts of the game he was struggling with were not necessarily the parts you would immediately put down to the injury he had. More than shedding blocks he struggled with reads and drops against play action. Maybe he was just so physically comfortable that it affected everything. It can happen. Regardless, it is just good to see him back to his best. Our D is much better when he is on form.

 

Edit: and just to add given the subject of the thread I have never wanted to move him from the mike. Some people have really old fashioned views of what a Mike should be.

Edited December 5, 2020 by GunnerBill

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

Edmunds catches a lot of hate around here but there’s a lot worse options out there. 
Add in the fact that this is a tough defense to play as a MLB. Devin White looks amazing in Tampa, sometimes. But he’s just as easily swallowed by blockers on runs and out of position in pass coverage like what happens to Edmunds sometimes. The general trend on this board is we are WRONG most of the time judging these players. 
7-8 weeks ago we would of cut Bass, Klein, Edmunds, Levi, go back farther and we’re cutting Star who we are mostly all suddenly loving and missing. Where would we be today if fans had majority vote on roster decisions?

Tremaine is a good player and has shown he has not peaked yet at an early age. There’s no real reasons to replace him or draft a replacement yet.  

 

The only player I would have cut is Star and I still wish we would have. You love giving credit to the professionals. You know no one on here thinks they're going to affect a change or become a GM, but we are well within our right to discuss how a roster move/signing/draft pick turned out.

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Didn't he mostly play Sam in Carolina?  I know he played MLB when Kuechly was injured, but he played more than that...

 

Luke Keuchly, now after the 2015 and 2016 seasons, there's a guy we'd kick out of bed around here for eating "Injured Too Much" crackers.

 

Yea mainly Sam, some Mike, even a bit of Will.