Imagine TBD Circa 1992 After These Two Games

[Like A Mofo]

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Like A Mofo

[Bangarang]

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Edited October 20, 2020 by Bangarang

[Johnny Hammersticks]

A lot of overreaction and garbage takes on here this morning.  As to be expected though.

[34-78-83]

I was around. There were plenty of fatalistic Bills fans even back then. It's sad, but its a microcosm of society, so.....

[Punching Bag]

13 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

A lot of overreaction and garbage takes on here this morning.  As to be expected though.

 

I did not notice difference.

14 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

I was around. There were plenty of fatalistic Bills fans even back then. It's sad, but its a microcosm of society, so.....

 

So was I even though there was no here.  Occasionally I will find a post of mine from newsgroups on a search.

[RichRiderBills]

There were several stretches like this during that era. I recall bad losses to the Oilers too.. We also got our butts handed to us by the Steelers and Chiefs several times, notably 1993 in losses very close together.

[416BillsFan]

Not to give credence to the "fire everyone" mantra, but the Bills at that point were coming off their second Super Bowl appearance. I'm generally happy with the HC and front office since they took over, but they should win a playoff game first at least before we start using these analogies.

[dorquemada]

I think the difference is that the SB era teams had a ton of pride and held each other accountable for poor play, right when it happened.  I remember Kelly grabbing house ballard by the face mask and pulling down so they were face to face and kelly screaming at him.  Can you imagine for one moment any Bills player on the current roster doing that?  Allen maybe?

 

What I see here is a team with the strength and fortitude, physical and mental, of single ply toilet paper.  I'm laughing with my jets fan friend in text right now over which team wants this next game less.  The Jets want to be careful not to risk their shot at Trevor, while the Bills feel like they need to prove that they have a historically bad run D.  They're probably plotting ways to let Frank Gore have a huge day as a feel good story.  Maybe the Jets can set a modern NFL record by not throwing a single pass yet amassing 600 yards of Offense

[nucci]

36 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

reaction was the same...just no internet...

[dorquemada]

16 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

I did not notice difference.

 

So was I even though there was no here.  Occasionally I will find a post of mine from newsgroups on a search.

 

rec.sport.football.pro?  Lol, same

[NoHuddleKelly12]

43 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

A lot of overreaction and garbage takes on here this morning.  As to be expected though.

Always a good reason to wait to check back in until some of the dust stirred up by the torches/pitchforks crowd has settled...

[Johnny Hammersticks]

2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Always a good reason to wait to check back in until some of the dust stirred up by the torches/pitchforks crowd has settled...

 

I don’t know why I’m on here this morning 🤷🏾‍♂️😂

[NoHuddleKelly12]

8 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I don’t know why I’m on here this morning 🤷🏾‍♂️😂

Truthfully I was hoping it would be to see @YoloinOhiobreaking an announcement from the twitterverse that McD was taking over D playcalling again! 

[Matt_In_NH]

50 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

 

I think this is the game Mark Duper was making fun of the shout song after the game.....then we smoked them later in the season and then in the playoffs I think.  

 

The Reich/Kelly "narrative" was real around WNY in those times....but only by the crazies.   Even when you go to super bowls, fans find ways to out GM the GM.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

53 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

that 41-7 line vs patriots made me smile 

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

Not to rain on your parade, but 3 of those statements are probably accurate.

 

Marino was more accurate than Kelly

The chronic lack of a nose tackle was a problem for the defensive line and it showed repeatedly.

And whether you agree or not I think Levy was and is pretty wildly overrated.

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

Thanks for the laugh.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

 

Actually.....I have this dim misty memory, maybe someone else will speak up...there used to be a bulletin board in that era, called "gobills.com" or something like that.

I seem to remember some of those exact same topics of conversation, recurring regularly

 

Kelly would have a skunk of a game and stink up the game: Start Reich!

Marv Levy has lost the team!

 

etc etc

 

Thanks for the trip down Memory Lane

 

At least- I think it's memory lane.

[Mike in Horseheads]

I was on a Bills message board on the "prodigy" software in the 90's. Let me tell you these hot takes remind me of those days. There were a lot of Levy threads

Edited October 20, 2020 by Mike in Horseheads

[RyanC883]

difference is the Bills were coming off a trip to the Super Bowl, and had defeated an elite team on San Fran earlier in the year.  This team has done nothing.  

[Penfield45]

Lol if we dominated teams like that Bills team did in the first 4 games no one would really be worried 

 

but we didn’t, 3 games in a row coming down to an onside kick. Our defense couldn’t stop the dolphins or rams offenses and barely stopped Carr and the raiders 

[RyanC883]

Just now, Mike in Horseheads said:

I was on a Bills message board on the "prodigy" software. Let me tell you these hot takes remind me of those days. There were a lot of Levy threads

 

Levy is/was overrated.  Very talented roster and never won it.  

[MILFHUNTER#518]

2 hours ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

Thank you, hopefully this lends some perspective for some of the loudest on here....

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

Plenty of people back then wanted Reich over Kelly and some on here still defend that position. People forget how Reich's poor play led to the Houston deficit and how lucky they were to win that game despite Reich (missed INT by Houston LB went right though his hands and Beebe stepping out of bounds and coming back into filed of play to catch a TD)

I am firmly in the camp that Levy was terribly overrated and should not be in the HOF.  He was outcoached in all 4 SuperBowls.  

Thurman is my favorite player of all time.  I was always upset they didn't let him the TDs in the red-zone.  I also felt Robb Riddick was better than Kenneth Davis but I'm too lazy to look up the stats. 

Miami was always a bit of a threat but Shula deferred to Marino and stuck with Olivedotti for too long.

Marino was a far better passer than Kelly.  In this era Marino would be a perennial MVP candidate.  Was he a better QB? That is debatable. Kelly brought so much more to the offense than just his arm.

Bruce was a superstar, Hanson was underrated.  They probably stuck with the 3-4 too long with an undersized NT.  It was the linebackers that were overrated, especially Talley but Conlan to a degree as well.  

 

[Livinginthepast]

The vibe couldnt have been more different. We had a team of all stars in 1992. We had high expectations of them because they should have already won a SB. So losing any game was unacceptable. I can remember both of those losses. I was pretty steamed because I thought both LA and Miami were crap pretenders in the AFC.

[BillsPride12]

Whether internet or no internet there will always be hot takes.  That's just the way society is, look at everything going from a politics standpoint right now.

 

I can only imagine some of the takes that were circulating around barstools throughout WNY back then.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 hours ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

 

While I understand, and absolutely agree with, your main point... Either of these may have actually won us a Super Bowl.

 

Especially the first one.

3 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Levy is/was overrated.  Very talented roster and never won it.  

 

Juuuuuuust a smidge too soft. If all he did differently was implement and enforce a curfew the week before the Super Bowl, like every other team, we probably win SB25.

[RichRiderBills]

4 hours ago, 416BillsFan said:

Not to give credence to the "fire everyone" mantra, but the Bills at that point were coming off their second Super Bowl appearance. I'm generally happy with the HC and front office since they took over, but they should win a playoff game first at least before we start using these analogies.

 

Do me a favor and Google the 1989 Bills Season and/or "Bickering Bills"....

[Like A Mofo]

3 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Thanks for the laugh.

 

We all needed some humor today haha

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

difference is the Bills were coming off a trip to the Super Bowl, and had defeated an elite team on San Fran earlier in the year.  This team has done nothing.  

 

There was a point where earlier versions of that Bills team stumbled, and the reaction was similar.

1989, for example, after we went to a conference championship and lost it in 1988.  Late in the season we hit a 3 game L skid to teams we should have beaten and wound up losing a WC game.

 

Well, I won't bore you with the details but it's a point there were internet bulletin boards on the web, newsgroups, AOL, etc etc and it wasn't pretty.

No, no, it surely was not pretty.  And then sports radios...call in shows... oh My My

 

38 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

We all needed some humor today haha

 

Always pleased to oblige!

 

Q: Why didn't the sun go to college?

A: It already has thousands of degrees

 

@Simon

[vincec]

6 hours ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

Posts like this just seem like a way for people to vent their frustrations about the team playing badly on something other than the team.

[SirAndrew]

5 hours ago, High Football IQ said:

 

I never understand these comparisons.

 

Whether you were a fan alive for the good old days or not, this team had two straight SB appearances and truly dominant playoffs on both sides of the ball.

 

And they had a coach that actually won playoff games and could blow out teams instead of hanging around in the 4th quarter in close games seemingly every single week.

Thanks for the reasonable take. I’ve been a huge fan of what Beane and McD have done here, but this team isn’t a proven entity. We don’t know who McD really is as a coach, we don’t know what Josh Allen is, and we have yet to see a real contender. Fans know we have a playoff team, but most reasonable people are now looking to see if this team can make the next step. Getting blown out the past few years in every big test doesn’t make some of us feel confident. 

[C.Biscuit97]

I agree fans are insane in their overreactions after games but it goes both ways too. Allen was a top 4 qb after 4 games. 
 

I think the truth is in the middle.  This is a good but not yet great team and has some flaws. 

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

 

I guess if we also have to imagine the Bills had not just gone to 2 SBs and had 8 Pro Bowlers on the roster....

 

 

[Motorin']

On 10/20/2020 at 10:53 AM, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

That's pretty much what it sounded like when fans called into WGR back then. Just ask Artie baby boo boo. 

[BuffaLoko]

On 10/20/2020 at 12:52 PM, Mike in Horseheads said:

I was on a Bills message board on the "prodigy" software in the 90's. Let me tell you these hot takes remind me of those days. There were a lot of Levy threads

now that you mention this board, it reminded me of ¨Hyperbills¨ bulletin board, in the late 90s, which I think turned / morphed into billsdaily.com, bu I am no tsure, any one who knows more of the family tree of community boards, can chime in?  please

[Big Turk]

On 10/20/2020 at 11:53 AM, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

 

Maybe if we beat 3 of the teams this year a combined 119-14 we wouldn't have any questions.

Edited October 22, 2020 by matter2003

[purple haze]

On 10/20/2020 at 8:53 AM, Like A Mofo said:

 

Here are some threads I could envision at that time:

 

* Jim Kelly is not the answer at QB start Reich!

* Marv Levy is overrated, maybe look to the college ranks and bring in an elite coach like Barry Switzer

* Thurman might not be as good as we thought, might be time to usher in Kenneth Davis?

* Miami has taken over the division, our time is up
* Marino is more accurate then Kelly

* DL is trash, might be time to switch to a 4-3?

 

All of this existed back then.  It was just on the radio call in shows as opposed to online.  And it was just as exasperating.

[QCity]

On 10/20/2020 at 1:53 PM, RyanC883 said:

difference is the Bills were coming off a trip to the Super Bowl, and had defeated an elite team on San Fran earlier in the year.  This team has done nothing.  

 

This. It was considered an upset when those teams lost, and the go-to excuse back then was that the team partied too much the night before (and that was not far from the truth sometimes).