Lorax discusses Tremaine Edmunds

[YoloinOhio]

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The guy is battling through a lot right now. He will be more than fine staying at (middle linebacker),” Alexander tweeted. “(He has) a shoulder injury & to play the run you have to use your hands. Hard to do when you have pain every time you strike 300+ lbs lineman. Long term he’ll be great. Has to make it work until he gets healthy.”

Edited October 16, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[TBBills]

 

NEVER!!!!!!

[LeGOATski]

Well, this validates my pov at least...

 

I haven't understood the Edmunds hate at all

[YoloinOhio]

 

[BuffaloRebound]

Playing downhill?....he lost me on that comment.  

[LabattBlue]

Did anyone expect Lorax to say anything bad about him?

[gobills404]

 

[Sharky7337]

Ya hes playing downhill under the snowball he gets run over by lol

[Agent 91]

8 minutes ago, Back the Blue said:

Did anyone expect Lorax to say anything bad about him?

Of course not. 

[LabattBlue]

How does a shoulder injury cause you to misdiagnose running plays over and over and over again? 😈

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Well, this validates my pov at least...

 

I haven't understood the Edmunds hate at all

this validated that Lorenzo loves the kid and isn’t going to throw him under the bus, especially while he’s hurt.  I’m sure he’s in pain but his biggest problem has been positioning and lack of instinct, not once contact is made. 
 

he’s played bad. Much much worse than last season.  Once he starts to not suck, he’ll get love again. 

[appoo]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I mean the Bills held Henry well in Check, and basically shut off the middle for running.  Think that would have to do with Edmunds?

 

I mean he's among the last of our problems

5 minutes ago, Back the Blue said:

How does a shoulder injury cause you to misdiagnose running plays over and over and over again? 😈

 

He's not

[IgotBILLStopay]

Lorax ain’t going to say anything else, no? 

 

can the injury heal or do we have to wait for the offseason?

 

bottomline: injured or not, our LB core has underperformed. that being said, they have also been let down by the front four and, in the last game, by the Wallace and White-less secondary.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Edmunds is coming around. He is also playing behind a d line that Leslie and Sean have been tinkering with. 
 

The hate comes from his draft spot. Some people think because he was a first round pick he should be all pro from day one. He has had some ups and a few downs. Personally any regression that he has displayed is due to other factors than Edmunds just forgot how to play LB.

Edited October 16, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[Rc2catch]

I think it’s time to run a more traditional set on defense. If the pass rush can’t get home while Tremaine is backpedaling it’s too easily manipulated and he’s hung out to dry. There isn’t a MLB in the league that won’t get burned constantly if left alone in the middle of the field while receivers are crossing behind him. It’s only effective if there’s pressure and the quarterbacks have to get the ball out fast. 
Been a lot of Edmunds bashing on here and I think it should be directed at the staff more. 
Stop lining him up over center where they can easily maneuver him and he has to make instantaneous decisions. Line him up in a more traditional MLB spot and give him a chance to see what’s happening in front of him before a blocker takes hold. His athleticism should do the rest. 
Lining up over the center could work in previous years if the pass rush could get home. Also when they line him up over center and blitz him it’s stuffed almost every time. He never gets through. I’d rather plug Klein into the MLB position if they’re just gonna use the position to clog things up. Let Tremaine run from the outside 

Edited October 16, 2020 by Rc2catch

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I hadn’t really thought about the injury aspect of it. But what I do know:

 

The goal line dive TD last Tuesday night where Edmunds and Klein ran right by the RB was baffling. 
 

I don’t think the guy is physical enough. Not just this year, but in years past. He never goes through people. He doesn’t get off blocks. He relies too heavily on his speed.

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

this validated that Lorenzo loves the kid and isn’t going to throw him under the bus, especially while he’s hurt.  I’m sure he’s in pain but his biggest problem has been positioning and lack of instinct, not once contact is made. 
 

he’s played bad. Much much worse than last season.  Once he starts to not suck, he’ll get love again. 

Meh...Lorax hasn't been a guy who just blows smoke up our asses. He notes the tape....and as you see above, we have Cover1 analyzing tape that Edmunds is making good reads and pursuit, downhill, with conviction.

 

I've subscribed to the belief that the DL is struggling more than the LBs are. Its a team sport.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I think it’s time to run a more traditional set on defense. If the pass rush can’t get home while Tremaine is backpedaling it’s too easily manipulated and he’s hung out to dry. 
Been a lot of Edmunds bashing on here and I think it should be directed at the staff more. 
Stop lining him up over center where they can easily maneuver him and he has to make instantaneous decisions. Line him up in a more traditional MLB spot and give him a chance to see what’s happening in front of him before a blocker takes hold. His athleticism should do the rest. 
Lining up over the center could work in previous years if the pass rush could get home. Also when they line him up over center and blitz him it’s stuff almost every time. He never gets through. I’d rather plug Klein into the MLB position if they’re just gonna use the position to clog things up. Let Tremaine run from the outside 

I do agree there are plenty of time he is lost in space in the zone. 

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I do agree there are plenty of time he is lost in space in the zone. 

There’s not a MLB in the league who is going to make a play when quarterbacks have time and just read Edmunds and work against his momentum to the open receiver. It’s easily manipulated. You can see the quarterbacks just watching him backpedal and the receiver working behind and boom easy catch. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

 

 

Whoever this is analyzing for Cover1 (Erik?) seems to concur with @Buffalo716 comments about the Bills having become too predictable in what plays/coverages they are using for the same down and distance.

 

11 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Lorax ain’t going to say anything else, no? 

can the injury heal or do we have to wait for the offseason?

 

Who knows?  Leslie Frazer talks as though he's playing through the injury and is expected to continue to improve but ??

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I do agree there are plenty of time he is lost in space in the zone. 

He's stuck between reading run vs pass, which will stall all LBs unless they simply make the right guess in desperation mode, or if the offense is overtly tipping their hand.

 

All LBs can be exploited by that design unless the DL gets pressure to force the QB off their mark.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

There’s not a MLB in the league who is going to make a play when quarterbacks have time and just read Edmunds and work against his momentum to the open receiver. It’s easily manipulated. You can see the quarterbacks just watching him backpedal and the receiver working behind and boom easy catch. 

Right. I think McD and Co like his range/length and think this can be an asset while in zone coverage. That being said, i think he’s being wasted in space. Who’s fault? Idk. But it seems like he could be put in or find a better position on many of those situations

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

He's stuck between reading run vs pass, which will stall all LBs unless they simply make the right guess in desperation mode, or if the offense is overtly tipping their hand.

 

All LBs can be exploited by that design unless the DL gets pressure to force the QB off their mark.

I don’t necessarily mean play action plays, but your points are valid.

[JerseyBills]

If the shoulder is causing defenses to consistently get easy points, why is he on the field?!?

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Meh...Lorax hasn't been a guy who just blows smoke up our asses. He notes the tape....and as you see above, we have Cover1 analyzing tape that Edmunds is making good reads and pursuit, downhill, with conviction.

 

I've subscribed to the belief that the DL is struggling more than the LBs are. Its a team sport.

Tremaine and Lorax are tight.  Tremaine is hurt. I’m sure the injury affects certain aspects of the game.  Certain aspects are mental.  That’s where Tremaine is having a bunch of issues from eye.  He’s weak with the wrap up as well, but being in the wrong spot is his problem more often than not.  

I didn’t see the video.  Is this cover 1 tape from the raider game?  I watched it previously.  He was solid in that game.  Terrible vs the rams. Terrible vs the Titans.  

[Bob in STL]

Edmunds misses Star a lot. 
 

Our defense is struggling because we are weaker up the middle without Star and Phillips.  That and injuries to Milano, Levi, and Tre. 

26 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Meh...Lorax hasn't been a guy who just blows smoke up our asses. He notes the tape....and as you see above, we have Cover1 analyzing tape that Edmunds is making good reads and pursuit, downhill, with conviction.

 

I've subscribed to the belief that the DL is struggling more than the LBs are. Its a team sport.

The DL has to do more to keep blocker off of Edmund too.  
 

I think that missing Star and Phillips from last year is hurting.  Star ate up blockers for other people to make plays.  Phillips made plays.  

[Baba Booey]

I am a huge fan of Tremaine and am willing to get through his “growing pains” as a mlb. But I too have grown tired of missed holes he should be filling and missed tackles he should be making. It has become even more visible this year and it maybe time to think of him as an olb or possibly even a pass rusher with his speed we all think he has! 

Edited October 16, 2020 by Baba Booey

[BADOLBILZ]

43 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Meh...Lorax hasn't been a guy who just blows smoke up our asses.

 

 

If that depiction bothers you then think of it more like Lorax just ran a play-action fake and a bunch of you are now left holding your ***** at the LOS.    Where he wants you.

 

Lorax is a pro.   He knows that a majority of the fan base can be neutralized with a little sales job.

 

When it comes to MLB play Lorax is telling you that he is "trying"...........but much like the RB position that it mirrors MLB is about what you "do"........and the reasons why some can't "do" are less quantifiable than just saying "the film says he's going in the right direction!".     

4 minutes ago, Baba Booey said:

I am a huge fan of Tremaine and am willing to get through his “growing pains” as a mlb. But I too have grown tired of missed holes he should be filling and missed tackles he should be making. It has become even more visible this year and it maybe time to think of him as an olb or possibly even a pass rusher with all his speed we all think he has! 

 

 

He's been a major college and pro LB for 6 years now.

 

Brian Urlacher........a frequent Edmunds comp....... was a safety in college and played at an All Pro level at MLB as a rookie in the NFL.   No experience at all required.

 

It's a position that requires great instincts and if you need a long time to learn how to play that position(and 3 years is a long time in the NFL) then you probably don't belong there.  

 

 

Edited October 16, 2020 by BADOLBILZ

[BurpleBull]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Playing downhill?....he lost me on that comment.  

 

 

To be fair @ 8:36 the guy breaking down the vid uses the same term. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

This is a completely out of left field take.... the “hate” has nothing to do with his draft spot. If anything the constant shouting down from fans to other fans criticizing his play is due to his draft spot. 

 

 

He's been pretty sheltered from criticism for two years.   But eventually when you don't produce fans will start to wonder why.  What bothers me more than his lack of production at MLB is that they have wasted his potential on the outside.   This guy should be coming off the edge and using his length to create turnovers.  

[PUNT750]

1 hour ago, Back the Blue said:

How does a shoulder injury cause you to misdiagnose running plays over and over and over again? 😈

Great Question.

[klos63]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Edmunds is coming around. He is also playing behind a d line that Leslie and Sean have been tinkering with. 
 

The hate comes from his draft spot. Some people think because he was a first round pick he should be all pro from day one. He has had some ups and a few downs. Personally any regression that he has displayed is due to other factors than Edmunds just forgot how to play LB.

This is getting close to midway through his 3rd season, hardly day one. His play has been very poor compared to last season, it's impossible to deny that.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Back the Blue said:

How does a shoulder injury cause you to misdiagnose running plays over and over and over again? 😈

And that's your winning response. 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Playing downhill?....he lost me on that comment.  

he is getting pushed downhill.  

51 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

If the shoulder is causing defenses to consistently get easy points, why is he on the field?!?

 

bingo.   it’s not the shoulder. its like they cant fathom that he is not a mlb.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, klos63 said:

This is getting close to midway through his 3rd season, hardly day one. His play has been very poor compared to last season, it's impossible to deny that.

 

I would strongly encourage you and everyone else to watch the cover1 piece @BurpleBull posted above and read @Buffalo716 comments on our scheme predictibility in the Frazier's Gotta Be Fired thread which actually has a bunch of decent football discussion despite the crap title.

 

There just may be a case to be made for the role of predictable play calling in Edwards play dropping off.

 

It should also be noted the significant turnover on the DL and at LB (Lorax). 

 

Point is with poor results, it can be hard to isolate why the results are poor.

[Nelius]

Henry ran for 57 yards and a 3 ypc average? His one TD was from the 1 in a jumbo set, nobody's stopping that.

 

If he's misdiagnosing everything how did the best running back in the league average only 3 yards on the day? 

Edited October 16, 2020 by Nelius

[shoshin]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would strongly encourage you and everyone else to watch the cover1 piece @BurpleBull posted above and read @Buffalo716 comments on our scheme predictibility in the Frazier's Gotta Be Fired thread which actually has a bunch of decent football discussion despite the crap title.

 

There just may be a case to be made for the role of predictable play calling in Edwards play dropping off.

 

It should also be noted the significant turnover on the DL and at LB (Lorax). 

 

Point is with poor results, it can be hard to isolate why the results are poor.

 

Edge control has been horrific. Our ends were sealed on a lot of plays on Tuesday. 

[ALLEN1QB]

We are lacking legitimate talent on the DL. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

There’s not a MLB in the league who is going to make a play when quarterbacks have time and just read Edmunds and work against his momentum to the open receiver. It’s easily manipulated. You can see the quarterbacks just watching him backpedal and the receiver working behind and boom easy catch. 

Kuechly would

[billsfan714]

I've never been sold on he's a MLB, think his physical skill set would be better on the outside.   I see a lot of adjustments pre-snap where he seems to move out of the hole the offense runs in.   I question his instincts for MLB.

[GunnerBill]

29 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Henry ran for 57 yards and a 3 ypc average? His one TD was from the 1 in a jumbo set, nobody's stopping that.

 

If he's misdiagnosing everything how did the best running back in the league average only 3 yards on the day? 

 

He actually did a decent job on his run fits on Thursday. He was kinda selling out for the run though and that may have been the gameplan but it hurt us in the play action game. And that is what killed us Tuesday.