Haskins benched in Washington

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

The last thing you would want is a young and inexperienced player like Haskins as your backup. Barkley isn't as physically talented as Haskins is but he is knowledgeable about the offense and is a good mentor and sounding board for Allen. That's not a role that Haskins could serve right now. 

 

Haskins is learning the game and essentially is a developmental player who is going to have tough spells. I don't think that Washington is giving up on Haskins but simply wants to jolt him and give him a pause so he can become more focused on what he needs to do to become a NFL qb. For him the problem isn't the physical aspects of the game as much as the mental side of the game. He needs more time. 

I have a different mindset. Barkley has no upside. He’s not a good backup. His purpose is on the film room etc with Allen but at this point i. His third year i feel like that’s not worth what we are paying him. With what Brian Daboll and Ken Dorsey have done with Josh Allen... I’ll take a flyer on Haskins as a developmental back-up for a late round pick, and future upgrade as back up. 

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I have a different mindset. Barkley has no upside. He’s not a good backup. His purpose is on the film room etc with Allen but at this point i. His third year i feel like that’s not worth what we are paying him. With what Brian Daboll and Ken Dorsey have done with Josh Allen... I’ll take a flyer on Haskins as a developmental back-up for a late round pick, and future upgrade as back up. 

 

I wouldn't . Haskins sucks.  Kelly has said Reich was very helpful and saw things he didn't see on the field during games and in the film room at times.  This was many years into his career. I think you are vastly underestimating the importance of a guy like that in the film room and on the sideline during a game for Josh's continued development.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Still can’t help but think about the tragedy that was Alex Smith.

 

what were they, 8-3 on the day of the game he got injured? 

 

would love it if he could make it back and do something.  Nothing against the other two guys. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Dwayne train derailed

 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

WFT officially in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes 

Threw for 314 vs Ravens with a trash offense. He’s played 10 games. Better go to Kyle Allen. 

 

would rather Wash get Lawrence than MIA (via Houston pick) or Jets! 

my question is: I have McLauren (WR) on fantasy.  Will this hurt him?  He's been a beast.  

[ProcessAccepted]

Haskins is very talented but that talent is very unrefined. The kid needs to be developed. Hopefully the WTFs can somehow become a functioning organization for his sake. It's not looking good though since the can even come up with a name for the team 😂

[BillsMafi$]

6th/7th rounder for Haskins. Make it happen!

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Haskins may not be the second coming of joe Montana but he was not in a good situation. I wonder what he would cost in a trade. Better backup than barkley 

True.  I live my Buckeyes, but I never saw Haskins as NFL starter material. 

[Bangarang]

Haskins always reminded me of EJ Manual whenever I watched the WFT.
 

Snyder had to draft a 1st round QB though and now it looks like they ruined him. 🙄

Edited October 7, 2020 by Bangarang

[ProcessAccepted]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Haskins may not be the second coming of joe Montana but he was not in a good situation. I wonder what he would cost in a trade. Better backup than barkley 

Maybe slot him into the Fromm role if he's not ready to supplant Barkley yet. The kid has upside if developed right.

[whatdrought]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

....and a clipboard in his hand.

 

Has this ever worked for a player? Did Aaron Rodgers make a statement like this?

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, racketmaster said:

The Bills stuck with their guy because he showed real leadership and promise. Allen at the very least provided an impact on the ground and after the first few games and looking a little lost he came back from injury and looked different at the end of his rookie year. We even went .500 down the stretch with him so we were winning games. In his second year we go 10-6 and make the playoffs. Haskins has not made any progress from his rookie year and his poor play is causing them to lose games in a winnable division. They have a nice defensive line and between Gibson and McClaurin (who is a star playing with an erratic qb) there are some things to work with. Kyle Allen will get them some wins. He is a nice backup or low end starter but even that is an improvement over Haskins. 

Not saying he will ever get close to Allen but they have had similar passing numbers through this part of their career.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HaskDw00.htm
Kyle Allen has very similar numbers too and got worse the more he played.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleKy00.htm
 

also, now there is a chance Alex Smith might play and that seems like the worst idea ever.  Again, I have no idea how good Haskins will be.  I just know he got thrown into a dumpster fire of a franchise and wasn’t given a chance to grow into a role.  I hate what bad teams do to young QBs.

[HOUSE]

How can we get the REDSKINS into the AFC-EAST?

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, HOUSE said:

How can we get the REDSKINS into the AFC-EAST?

 

They are.  They are called the Jets. 

[KD in CA]

Lot of people clutching their pearls on behalf of Haskins, but why not see what they have in Allen?  Perhaps they think he can be developed better than Haskins.  The decision making should not be driven by the players' respective draft position.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I have a different mindset. Barkley has no upside. He’s not a good backup. His purpose is on the film room etc with Allen but at this point i. His third year i feel like that’s not worth what we are paying him. With what Brian Daboll and Ken Dorsey have done with Josh Allen... I’ll take a flyer on Haskins as a developmental back-up for a late round pick, and future upgrade as back up. 

I get this, but most teams are screwed if they lose their starter anyway. Why not do everything you can to prop up your starter? Its one thing if you have doubts about your guy, but if you know hes the guy just support him best you can

 

Read a quote once when a reporter asked a Colts coach why Jim Sorgi never got any reps. "If 18 (Manning) goes down were F*****. We don't practice F*****"

 

This is why I think if Barkley isnt back next year, its more likely that Davis Webb is the backup than some developmental guy

[TheElectricCompany]

7 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

The decision making should not be driven by the players' respective draft position.

 

That's great in theory, but it rarely works out that way. 

 

[machine gun kelly]

59 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Still can’t help but think about the tragedy that was Alex Smith.

 

what were they, 8-3 on the day of the game he got injured? 

 

would love it if he could make it back and do something.  Nothing against the other two guys. 

Donuts, the only thing I can think is the unproven reports Alex still has a drag in his ankle or foot might be real with that level of nerve damage.  I wanted to see him play all along given he was medically cleared, but maybe it’s worse than we thought.  Bones usually heal stronger, but maybe that nerve damage he can only come back so much.  What’s between his ears and arm is. More than enough to put him back as the starter.  Allen is a nice backup and Rivera trusts him as he developed him in Carolina, but Alex has learned so many systems with what 114 offensive coordinators in his career (Exaggerating for a point he can pick up about anything), he would be the best shot at winning if really healthy.  Those doctors have their licenses on the line, so he must be good enough to practice.  I’d love to see him out there.  That would be awesome.  I always liked that guys decision making and fortitude.

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Still can’t help but think about the tragedy that was Alex Smith.

 

what were they, 8-3 on the day of the game he got injured? 

 

would love it if he could make it back and do something.  Nothing against the other two guys. 

 

Absolutely agree. It'd be a great story if he could make it back on the field.

 

Still think one of the oddest things was that his gruesome injury occurred on the anniversary of Theismann's gruesome injury. 

[Albany,n.y.]

Kyle Allen starts, Alex Smith #2, Haskins to be inactive.  https://www.nfl.com/news/washington-kyle-allen-starting-quarterback-rams-in-week-5-dwayne-haskins

Edited October 7, 2020 by Albany,n.y.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Haskins 13 games : 59.6% 2304 Yards 11 TD 10 INT

Josh Allen 12 games (all in 2018): 52.8% 2074 Yds 10 TD 12 INT

 

I'm not saying Haskins will develop.  But it's a bit premature to say he is done in the NFL.  Through his first 13 games he is statistically better than Allen in every category.  No OTAs. No preseason (don't think that matters much - but some do). Maybe they feel Kyle Allen is their long term answer at QB.  If so then why was he not the starter game 1?  If not then it is silly to pull Haskins now and not let him continue to develop.  

[TigerJ]

Already a thread, started four hours ago.

[par73]

I thought Haskins played pretty well on Sunday. Team is desperate.

[Plano]

IN 

[BuffaloBills1998]

4 hours ago, scribo said:

What the heck about Alex Smith?!?

Could be wrong but I think he’s on his way out, they should’ve taken Josh Allen instead of letting him go to Jacksonville 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Not saying he will ever get close to Allen but they have had similar passing numbers through this part of their career.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HaskDw00.htm
Kyle Allen has very similar numbers too and got worse the more he played.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleKy00.htm
 

also, now there is a chance Alex Smith might play and that seems like the worst idea ever.  Again, I have no idea how good Haskins will be.  I just know he got thrown into a dumpster fire of a franchise and wasn’t given a chance to grow into a role.  I hate what bad teams do to young QBs.

 

But, but, but, he was a big boy, from a big boy school, who put up big boy numbers, and dominated at every level!!!

[Einstein's Dog]

13 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Haskins 13 games : 59.6% 2304 Yards 11 TD 10 INT

Josh Allen 12 games (all in 2018): 52.8% 2074 Yds 10 TD 12 INT

 

I'm not saying Haskins will develop.  But it's a bit premature to say he is done in the NFL.  Through his first 13 games he is statistically better than Allen in every category.  No OTAs. No preseason (don't think that matters much - but some do). Maybe they feel Kyle Allen is their long term answer at QB.  If so then why was he not the starter game 1?  If not then it is silly to pull Haskins now and not let him continue to develop.  

Lets not go overboard.  Kind of disingenuous to say Haskins is better in every category, when what you mean is better in the categories you selected.  I don't see anything about rushing in there.  Or win/lose record for that matter.

 

Secondly, if he thought Kyle Allen is their long term answer it is not necessarily silly to wait for him to get acclimated to the team before putting him in.  The no OTAs and no preseason apply more to Allen than Haskins.  Kind of like what Miami is doing with Tua. 

 

Haskins was never the answer.  Gruden didn't want him, and neither does Rivera.

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Haskins 13 games : 59.6% 2304 Yards 11 TD 10 INT

Josh Allen 12 games (all in 2018): 52.8% 2074 Yds 10 TD 12 INT

 

I'm not saying Haskins will develop.  But it's a bit premature to say he is done in the NFL.  Through his first 13 games he is statistically better than Allen in every category.  No OTAs. No preseason (don't think that matters much - but some do). Maybe they feel Kyle Allen is their long term answer at QB.  If so then why was he not the starter game 1?  If not then it is silly to pull Haskins now and not let him continue to develop.  

 

It kind of reminds me of the Bills when they would bring in a young QB. Guys like JP, EJ and Trent while they may never have been a top 5 QB were certainly done no favors by being in a dysfunctional organization. The Washington Team is a bad spot for a young QB to be in. Their organization is a complete mess and they lack on field talent. I think Haskins might be best served to be traded to a team like Pittsburgh. He needs to go to a team that can groom him behind a vet QB for a year or two to regain his confidence and enter into a good situation on the field. Even if he were to do that he might still be a bust but landing in a bad situation like Washington is not helping him.

[Albany,n.y.]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

NFL teams are too eager to pull the plug on young quarterbacks. Guys used to get time to struggle, learn and get better. They also used to get time to sit and watch from the bench. Obviously some succeed, but plenty of talent has been cast aside too soon. He simply had no one invested in his development. 

I don't agree.  I think it's pretty easy for NFL coaches to spot a bust since they see him just about every day at practice and in games.  When the coach believes he's got a bust, his 1st inclination is to bench him ASAP because he realizes that the bad QB can cost him his job.  Marrone bailed  on EJ for Orton & Mularkey bailed on JP for Holcomb.  Neither EJ nor JP were ruined, they never had it & the coach realized it & benched them.  The only reason JP got another shot was because a new coaching staff that didn't see him every day came in.  The next year they benched him for a rookie after JP got injured.  Look at Josh Rosen.  Arizona saw a bust, dumped him off to Miami & Miami cut him after 2 years in the NFL.  Nobody wants him on their active roster, now he's on a practice squad on his way to oblivion. 

 

There were a lot of questions about Haskins & his lack of college experience going into the draft.  I think Ron Rivera & his staff have seen enough to write the guy off. It's always easier for someone who had nothing to do with drafting him to bench a high draft pick.  I expect Haskins to ride off to the sunset and join a lot of 1st round QB busts.  Nobody ruined him.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Lets not go overboard.  Kind of disingenuous to say Haskins is better in every category, when what you mean is better in the categories you selected.  I don't see anything about rushing in there.  Or win/lose record for that matter.

 

Secondly, if he thought Kyle Allen is their long term answer it is not necessarily silly to wait for him to get acclimated to the team before putting him in.  The no OTAs and no preseason apply more to Allen than Haskins.  Kind of like what Miami is doing with Tua. 

 

Haskins was never the answer.  Gruden didn't want him, and neither does Rivera.

The rushing stats are a good point.  Haskins is a drop back QB only.

Maybe you are right.  It's still early to know.  

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

It kind of reminds me of the Bills when they would bring in a young QB. Guys like JP, EJ and Trent while they may never have been a top 5 QB were certainly done no favors by being in a dysfunctional organization. The Washington Team is a bad spot for a young QB to be in. Their organization is a complete mess and they lack on field talent. I think Haskins might be best served to be traded to a team like Pittsburgh. He needs to go to a team that can groom him behind a vet QB for a year or two to regain his confidence and enter into a good situation on the field. Even if he were to do that he might still be a bust but landing in a bad situation like Washington is not helping him.

Agreed.  I'd say the same thing for Rosen too though his sample size of failure is larger.  

[Albany,n.y.]

29 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

llHaskins 13 games : 59.6% 2304 Yards 11 TD 10 INT

Josh Allen 12 games (all in 2018): 52.8% 2074 Yds 10 TD 12 INT

 

I'm not saying Haskins will develop.  But it's a bit premature to say he is done in the NFL.  Through his first 13 games he is statistically better than Allen in every category.  No OTAs. No preseason (don't think that matters much - but some do). Maybe they feel Kyle Allen is their long term answer at QB.  If so then why was he not the starter game 1?  If not then it is silly to pull Haskins now and not let him continue to develop.  

More proof stats are meaningless.  You have to see the player play to properly evaluate him.  Watching Josh in his rookie year anyone could see the flashes of brilliance that gave observers encouragement for his future.  I doubt the same could be said for Haskins.

[Einstein's Dog]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said:

The rushing stats are a good point.  Haskins is a drop back QB only.

Maybe you are right.  It's still early to know.  

Sorry.  I get defensive with any shots to Josh.  Just touchy I guess.

 

As for Haskins, I don't know.  Does seem early to pull the plug.  Does seem like Wash made a mistake if they didn't have Gruden in on the decision to draft Haskins.

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I don't agree.  I think it's pretty easy for NFL coaches to spot a bust since they see him just about every day at practice and in games.  When the coach believes he's got a bust, his 1st inclination is to bench him ASAP because he realizes that the bad QB can cost him his job.  Marrone bailed  on EJ for Orton & Mularkey bailed on JP for Holcomb.  Neither EJ nor JP were ruined, they never had it & the coach realized it & benched them.  The only reason JP got another shot was because a new coaching staff that didn't see him every day came in.  The next year they benched him for a rookie after JP got injured.  Look at Josh Rosen.  Arizona saw a bust, dumped him off to Miami & Miami cut him after 2 years in the NFL.  Nobody wants him on their active roster, now he's on a practice squad on his way to oblivion. 

 

There were a lot of questions about Haskins & his lack of college experience going into the draft.  I think Ron Rivera & his staff have seen enough to write the guy off. It's always easier for someone who had nothing to do with drafting him to bench a high draft pick.  I expect Haskins to ride off to the sunset and join a lot of 1st round QB busts.  Nobody ruined him.  

You are exactly correct, signed Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Alex Smith, Drew Brees.  The coaches that traded or cut us knew exactly what they were doing.  

1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Sorry.  I get defensive with any shots to Josh.  Just touchy I guess.

 

As for Haskins, I don't know.  Does seem early to pull the plug.  Does seem like Wash made a mistake if they didn't have Gruden in on the decision to draft Haskins.

 

Its not a shot at Josh.  Its a shot at the overreaction of fans.  There were many on this board that said Allen was a bust after his first year.  They are all in hiding now.  My only point is that it is too early to know.  

With that said, I'm an OSU alum (medial school not undergrad) and I did not see a first round talent in Haskins nor a player that should be starting his rookie year.  A prospect without the elite arm talent of Allen.

[H2o]

Haskins hasn't been placed in the best of positions to succeed. Where you land in the draft does matter in many instances, especially with a guy like Haskins who had limited starting experience compared to other QB's who come out of college. The Football Team was a 💩 show last year and a completely different staff was brought in for this one. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up released this offseason if they can't trade him for peanuts. Washington will be drafting a QB again in 2021.

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I have a different mindset. Barkley has no upside. He’s not a good backup. His purpose is on the film room etc with Allen but at this point i. His third year i feel like that’s not worth what we are paying him. With what Brian Daboll and Ken Dorsey have done with Josh Allen... I’ll take a flyer on Haskins as a developmental back-up for a late round pick, and future upgrade as back up.

I respectfully but strenuously disagree. Barkley works well with our young starting qb as a mentor and support system. He also has the ability to come in on a short notice and keep the offense that he knows well working for the short term. Haskins has none of those supportive abilities. 

 

I live in a Maryland suburb near DC. The not so unsubtle insinuation about Haskins is that the staff is working with him to follow what the coaching staff is trying to instill. In the games he is not absorbing and following their instructions. When the qb is off script it's not surprising the offense is off kilter. The benching of Haskins is a message from the HC is that he wants his players to do what he wants them to do, and not do what the individual player wants to do contrary to the team concept. 

 

The benching of Haskins is not meant to close the door on Haskins as a starting qb. But what it is doing is jolting the player that he needs to absorb mental side of the game and better exhibit it in the games. 

[Albany,n.y.]

10 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

You are exactly correct, signed Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Alex Smith, Drew Brees.  The coaches that traded or cut us knew exactly what they were doing.  

 

Pretty bad examples:

Favre-A 2nd round pick who a year later the team was offered a #1 pick for and took it.

Warner-A raw rookie undrafted free agent who got caught up in a numbers game behind a future HOFer, A former Heisman winner & a future Pro Bowler & long term NFL starter.

Smith-Spent EIGHT seasons with the 49ers before being traded.  EIGHT SEASONS!

Brees-Spent 5 seasons with the Chargers.  His career started off mediocre & after his 3rd season the team drafted Manning & traded him for Rivers the day of the draft. However the Chargers didn't let him go & he held off Rivers & had a good to great season in his 4th year. He then was franchised & was the starter in his 5th year.  In his last game as a Charger he suffered a severe injury and  since he was a free agent the Chargers decide that rather than risk big $ on a medical risk, they would go with Rivers.  

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Kyle Allen starts, Alex Smith #2, Haskins to be inactive.  https://www.nfl.com/news/washington-kyle-allen-starting-quarterback-rams-in-week-5-dwayne-haskins

Bigger story is Alex Smith. Unreal story. He has real shot at playing. 

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

what was the point of drafting a guy if you're not going to develop him and/or give him a chance to play a certain number of games?

 

Of course, the flip side is that it wasn't hard for people to see early on that this guy is EJ Manuel 2.0 and you shouldn't need a long time to figure it out and move on

 

Haskins is a much better quarterback than EJ Manuel

 

Literally the only thing they have similar are they are six five and black. Nothing about their game is similar

[Chicken Boo]

I live in the DMV area.  I told anyone that would listen that Washington should have taken Tua.  You can't pass on a QB talent like that.

[BornAgainBillsFan]

6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

....and a clipboard in his hand.

 

Is the clipboard to help him with the English language?