No excuse for Bass

[TwistofFate]

Buffalo is a tough place to kick, he's a rook, I'm disappointed, but not yet concerned. 

[eball]

Bass was essentially 6-for-7 on kicks yesterday.  First true test as a rookie.  I’m not worried yet.

[JMF2006]

The kid missed one kick....the refs blew it on kick one.

 

He seems to flirt with the right goal post....some one needs to tell him that is taboo in Buffalo  

 

At least he didn't put himself on IR by blowing out his calf muscle .....see Bengals kicker  

 

It looked like he (Bengals PK) toe kicked it....who the heck kicks like that now? I thought they all soccer styled?

[Matt_In_NH]

42 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

The kid missed one kick....the refs blew it on kick one.

 

He seems to flirt with the right goal post....some one needs to tell him that is taboo in Buffalo  

 

At least he didn't put himself on IR by blowing out his calf muscle .....see Bengals kicker  

 

It looked like he (Bengals PK) toe kicked it....who the heck kicks like that now? I thought they all soccer styled?

 

Having a 38 yarder left up to interpretation is as a good as a miss......but I think we have to let this go for a number of weeks and see if he can hit his stride.

[soflabillsfan1]

9 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He was only 20-28 last year in college. 

He was?  That's pretty crappy.  I don't see this kid being on the roster at the end of the year.

[Doc]

7 hours ago, Success said:

The only thing I'm worried about is his confidence.  And he should have been 3 for 4. That was inexplicable.

 

The push to the right is an easily fixable mechanical issue.  

 

I said it at the time yesterday, but when the Bills had 4th and short at the goal line at the end of the game and decided to kick the FG, when analytics say you go for it, it was for Bass' confidence.

[BigBuff423]

I'm sure this has been said but not reading through all of the responses, however, if we don't give Rookies the opportunity to grow, the ghost of Gary Anderson will haunt us for the next 15 to 20 years. Ok, that's an exaggeration but the point is made that Kickers learning to kick in Buffalo (while there is an outdoor stadium) takes some getting used to. But much like Josh Allen's arm, Bass' leg is an asset that WILL become a valuable component for this team as the season wears on. Hopefully, there are plenty more extra points and this isn't the Bills of yore when the Kicker was THE ENTIRE Offense. 

 

All of that said, I know we're all anxious because we want the Bills to be this playoff behemoth that will trounce every team and be darn near perfect....but folks, no Pre-Season is probably most important for a Kicker like Bass who hasn't been exposed to the swirling winds of Buffalo and their cut-throat ability to end a scoring drive. Let's all relax and give him time. 

 

(Btw, during the game I was ready to throw the remote from a very expensive t.v....so, I've waited until today to respond)

[Flutie Flakes]

Reminded me of my golf game and that #$% damn slice.

 

First game with no pre-season so before we run him out on a rail, let's let him get coached up and see what happens.

[Steve O]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I said it at the time yesterday, but when the Bills had 4th and short at the goal line at the end of the game and decided to kick the FG, when analytics say you go for it, it was for Bass' confidence.

Pretty sure analytics says a 17 point lead with just over 6 minutes to play is almost insurmountable. 14 points, well, as Bills fans, we all know we can find a way.

[SoCal Deek]

I have no idea how the idiots at CBS were able to start a controversy over a missed field goal! The refs stand right under the upright! They can clearly see if the ball goes inside the goalpost. Some obscure camera angle from the other end of the stadium can’t tell you anything. Get over it! 

Edited September 14, 2020 by SoCal Deek

[zow2]

Listen-  even if Tyler Bass has a few weeks where he’s pushing it too hard, if the Bills release him he’d be signed elsewhere in 5 minutes.  And he’d most likely would have a lengthy NFL career.  He didn’t hit all those FGs in college because he sucks. The guy who we cut in last years camp to keep Hausch is kicking for the Colts now.  Kickers- ya gotta be patient or you end up developing a kid for someone else’s team.

[LabattBlue]

9 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 The guy who we cut in last years camp to keep Hausch is kicking for the Colts now.  

Ummm...nope.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I have no idea how the idiots at CBS were able to start a controversy over a missed field goal! The refs stand right under the upright! They can clearly see if the ball goes inside the goalpost. Some obscure camera angle from the other end of the stadium can’t tell you anything. Get over it! 

So many "lowlight" reels say hello . 

 

 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

You have to wonder what Hauschka is thinking.

[PolishDave]

31 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

You have to wonder what Hauschka is thinking.

 

My guess is he was down in some desolate backwoods swamp near New Orleans for Bills the game twisting the leg of his Bass VooDoo doll every time the guy went to kick a field goal.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, mattynh said:

 

Having a 38 yarder left up to interpretation is as a good as a miss......

eye roll 

[Doc]

Does anyone have footage of the "miss"?  Thanks in advance.

[Stevie Ray]

2 hours ago, Flutie Flakes said:

Reminded me of my golf game and that #$% damn slice.

 

First game with no pre-season so before we run him out on a rail, let's let him get coached up and see what happens.

LOL, same here. No matter what I do I slice or push-slice on my drives. Ruins what could be good rounds for me!

[badassgixxer05]

52 minutes ago, Stevie Ray said:

LOL, same here. No matter what I do I slice or push-slice on my drives. Ruins what could be good rounds for me!

My dad tells me to aim left, so when i hook right it'll go where i want it. When i do that I will finally nail it dead center and end up out of bounds on the left side of green. I cant win. 😄

[BillsFanSD]

3 hours ago, mattynh said:

 

Having a 38 yarder left up to interpretation is as a good as a miss......

I strongly agree with this.  Obviously it's not the same thing with regard to the scoreboard, but in terms of evaluating a K the expectation should be that he consistently puts the ball down the middle of the pipes at that distance.  A 38 yarder should not feel like an adventure.

[NickelCity]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I said it at the time yesterday, but when the Bills had 4th and short at the goal line at the end of the game and decided to kick the FG, when analytics say you go for it, it was for Bass' confidence.

 

Odds are we get the TD but that call was correct given the context. 3 scores and it's out of reach, you gotta send out the kicker for the chip shot.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

This is what you have to live with when you go with rookie kickers. 

 

You have to eat the inconsistency early to get to a place where they are reliable. 

 

He was pushing everything right. 

[Kelly the Dog]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

Listen-  even if Tyler Bass has a few weeks where he’s pushing it too hard, if the Bills release him he’d be signed elsewhere in 5 minutes.  And he’d most likely would have a lengthy NFL career.  He didn’t hit all those FGs in college because he sucks. The guy who we cut in last years camp to keep Hausch is kicking for the Colts now.  Kickers- ya gotta be patient or you end up developing a kid for someone else’s team.

He was an 79% kicker in college. 71% last year. That’s not accurate. Big leg. Potential. But he’s not an accurate kicker yet at all. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, Stevie Ray said:

LOL, same here. No matter what I do I slice or push-slice on my drives. Ruins what could be good rounds for me!

 

Same--I  crush my drives, but end up pushing a lot of them. Then, I try to self-correct by trying to turn my hips more, and I end up duck hooking!! 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

Does anyone have footage of the "miss"?  Thanks in advance.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2020/09/13/tyler-bass-buffalo-bills-rookie-kicker-field-goal-called-no-good-referees/5786688002/

 

I don't know how anyone can watch that video and say the kick was good.  

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:

I strongly agree with this.  Obviously it's not the same thing with regard to the scoreboard, but in terms of evaluating a K the expectation should be that he consistently puts the ball down the middle of the pipes at that distance.  A 38 yarder should not feel like an adventure.

 

Exactly my point...but we also have to be patient.....maybe he wont work out..but we cant jump to conclusions based on game 1.

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, mattynh said:

 

Exactly my point...but we also have to be patient.....maybe he wont work out..but we cant jump to conclusions based on game 1.

We do not have to be patient nor should we be.  This is a team built to take the division, host a playoff game, and make a run.  There is no room for a kicker we can't count on.  Kicks inside 50 yards need to be nearly automatic at the NFL level.  If he costs us a game, hes gone.  

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2020/09/13/tyler-bass-buffalo-bills-rookie-kicker-field-goal-called-no-good-referees/5786688002/

 

I don't know how anyone can watch that video and say the kick was good.  

 

I went through the uprights.  

[Jauronimo]

Just now, Doc said:

 

I went through the uprights.  

I didn't see you on broadcast.  What endzone and how did you get up there?

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

I didn't see you on broadcast.  What endzone and how did you get up there?

 

Did you see/hearLofton and Catalon who said it was a good FG?  The ref adviser who also said it was good?

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Did you see/hearLofton and Catalon who said it was a good FG?  The ref adviser who also said it was good?

 

I heard them say it was close.  

 

 

 

No one said it was good.  This video is hardly definitive.  The refs were standing under the uprights, they called it no good.  You think this shot with no depth clearly shows the ball going between the uprights when its over the upright at best?  I guess you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

[Alphadawg7]

Reality is Bass was 2 for 3 IMO, so not freaking out personally.  In my eyes, the first FG was good and was a mistake by the refs and not challengeable.  

 

Stat sheet says 1-3 though, so I get the concern.  

 

Rookie.  No Preseason.  First ever kicking in the NFL.  Important divisional game.

 

Conclusion, I am not yet worried.  This was essentially like his first preseason game.  At the end of the day, as long as the kid doesn't lose us games in the next few games, I am willing to let him kick through any early initial struggles.  If he hasn't worked it out over the next 3 or 4 games to be reliable, then I start looking at a free agent kicker to hold the job down while the kid develops more.  

 

However, if we lose a game because he isn't reliable and his misses cost us a win, I start looking for that vet immediately.  We can't afford close losses this year, we got a tough overall schedule, especially down the stretch.  And we can not over look NE as still a threat to push for the division title right now.  So we need to make sure we win the games we are supposed to win and those close games where we have the opportunity to win.  

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He was an 79% kicker in college. 71% last year. That’s not accurate. Big leg. Potential. But he’s not an accurate kicker yet at all. 

Out of the tens of thousands of college kickers in history, Tyler bass is 80th overall in field goal percentage

 

Ahead of Dustin Hopkins , gostkowski and a good amount of others

[Ralonzo]

5 hours ago, Flutie Flakes said:

Reminded me of my golf game and that #$% damn slice.

 

3 hours ago, Stevie Ray said:

LOL, same here. No matter what I do I slice or push-slice on my drives. Ruins what could be good rounds for me!

 

If you know it's gonna slice, you just call it a power fade and aim for the left (upright) side of the fairway. The problem is when you don't know it's gonna slice...

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Ralonzo

[Doc]

39 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I heard them say it was close.  

 

 

 

No one said it was good.  This video is hardly definitive.  The refs were standing under the uprights, they called it no good.  You think this shot with no depth clearly shows the ball going between the uprights when its over the upright at best?  I guess you see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.

 

Likewise.

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Likewise.

Did I invent details from the broadcast to suit my position?  You see a ball clearly going between the uprights in that video and picture?  You believe the angle we have is better than the view of the official which was right underneath the upright?  

[pi2000]

put laser sensors on top of the posts.. add LEDs on the goalposts themselves that light up green or red for a miss/make... WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, pi2000 said:

put laser sensors on top of the posts.. add LEDs on the goalposts themselves that light up green or red for a miss/make... WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!

 

Trying to put some people out of jobs?!

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

In any case - was this an odd week in kicking in general?  Kickers were 42/58 on the day (72%), with 4 total misses under 40... 7 if you count the 3 missed XPs on the day as well.  

 

Not sure if it was a lack of preseason or what but it seemed like kickers missed a lot of kicks yesterday.

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Reality is Bass was 2 for 3 IMO, so not freaking out personally.  In my eyes, the first FG was good and was a mistake by the refs and not challengeable.  

 

Stat sheet says 1-3 though, so I get the concern.  

 

Rookie.  No Preseason.  First ever kicking in the NFL.  Important divisional game.

 

Conclusion, I am not yet worried.  This was essentially like his first preseason game.  At the end of the day, as long as the kid doesn't lose us games in the next few games, I am willing to let him kick through any early initial struggles.  If he hasn't worked it out over the next 3 or 4 games to be reliable, then I start looking at a free agent kicker to hold the job down while the kid develops more.  

 

However, if we lose a game because he isn't reliable and his misses cost us a win, I start looking for that vet immediately.  We can't afford close losses this year, we got a tough overall schedule, especially down the stretch.  And we can not over look NE as still a threat to push for the division title right now.  So we need to make sure we win the games we are supposed to win and those close games where we have the opportunity to win.  

Actually reality is that he was 2 for 4.  He may have been 3 for 4 and he made 3 XPs that are 35 yard FGs these days so he was 5 for 7 on the day.