JetsFan20 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I’m pretty surprised the Bills as a contender didn’t take out an insurance policy for Josh Allen. With Newton in the fold this division is going to be a dogfight and if Barkley/Fromm has to start meaningful games that could be the difference. I know you guys love Beane/McDermott and they are doing a great job, but to me they made a mistake here. Every team in the division has proven QBs behind their starter with the exception of the prohibitive favorite. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 You're such a troll. Who do the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Who do the Patriots have behind Newton? Can this person be banned? 12 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I have it on good authority that if Allen gets injured, the Bills will use the Wing-T formation exclusively. So, you see, there is NO REASON whatsoever for the Bills to worry about the backup QB position. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, chongli said: You're such a troll. Who do the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Who do the Patriots have behind Newton? Can this person be banned? Settle down. 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, chongli said: You're such a troll. Who do the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Who do the Patriots have behind Newton? Can this person be banned? Lol. Pass that white powdery substance over here!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) I disagree with the OP's take. New England: Newton, if healthy, is the starter. If he isn't healthy, you're left with Stidham who has no NFL experience to speak of and Hoyer who is up there in years and is a career backup type of guy (arguably in the mold of Barkley, but I'll give you that he's more accomplished). Miami: Fitz and a rookie coming off of a bad injury. Jests: Darnold and Flacco. Darnold and Allen have different skill sets, but are arguably at about the same point in their careers. I think that Allen has more upside. Flacco is undoubtedly more accomplished than Barkley, but it's been a number of years since he's been at the top of his game. He is old, slow and brittle. He reminds me a little bit of Drew Bledsoe in his final years. He certainly isn't a guy to be feared. The Bills have a promising young starter on the upswing in Allen, a middle of the road backup in Barkley and a developmental rookie with potential and upside in Fromm. (I won't bring Davis Webb into the mix.) The Bills also have a really good defense, so the backup QB might only need to manage the game and hold down the fort until an injured stater came back. Barkley has a small sample size with the team, but the one meaningful game he started, he played really well. I think that he could take the reins and keep the team afloat for a few weeks. So, I don't agree that this is a huge hole that could ruin the season any more than if any other team lost its starting QB for an extended period of time. The Kurt Warner and Nick Foles stories are few and far between. Most #2 QBs are #2s for a reason. Sure, a Dalton, Newton or Flacco type may have been better than Barkley, but the Bills have reasons they didn't go in any of those directions and I trust the judgment of the current management and coaching staff. Edited June 29, 2020 by msw2112 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, chongli said: You're such a troll. Who do the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Who do the Patriots have behind Newton? Can this person be banned? You really don’t know who the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Seems like he was a pretty well known draft pick. And half this board seems to think Newton is no better than Stidham, so there shouldn’t be a huge drop off if Cam goes down, right? 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 27 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: I’m pretty surprised the Bills as a contender didn’t take out an insurance policy for Josh Allen. With Newton in the fold this division is going to be a dogfight and if Barkley/Fromm has to start meaningful games that could be the difference. I know you guys love Beane/McDermott and they are doing a great job, but to me they made a mistake here. Every team in the division has proven QBs behind their starter with the exception of the prohibitive favorite. Holy crap, you actually take the time to come on to this site and offer up these nuggets of wisdom? Really breaking the mold of intelligent and insightful Jets fans 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Based on what Beane and McD have done so far, I give them the benefit of the doubt. They know Cam very well. Perhaps they didn't believe he would be a good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) Every NFL team that is a legit Super Bowl contender has a backup QB problem EXCEPT Dallas who has Dalton who I think can do a pretty good job still on that Dallas team if Captain Overpaid gets hurt. So this thread is a bit silly, as just about most teams have the same hole. What happens if Brady goes down in TB? Mahomes goes down in KC? Jimmy G goes down in SF? Wilson goes down in Seattle? Rodgers goes down in GB? Brees goes down for Saints? And so on and so on. I mean none of those teams are super bowl contenders on paper with their current backup QB starting instead. And I said "on paper" because you never know what can happen when one of these unheralded guys steps on a field. No one saw Hostettler leading the Giants to the Super Bowl when Simms got hurt over Kelly and the Bills. No one saw Brady taking over for Bledsoe and making and winning a SB. So anything is possible, but the point is, on paper all of the other SB contenders are in a similar spot as Bills in terms of what it looks like on paper is sitting on the bench behind their starting QB's. So this isnt a unique problem to the Bills. Again, only Dallas has a legit proven quality backup capable of doing a similar job to Dak if he was to get hurt. Thats a RARE commodity in the NFL...very rare. Edited June 29, 2020 by Alphadawg7 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Billl said: You really don’t know who the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Seems like he was a pretty well known draft pick. Yes, let's all worship Tua, even before he has taken a single snap. He is God!! As a Bills fan, I fear Tua. He will tear up our secondary, and put Tre'Davious White to shame. In fact, I crown the Dolphins as prohibitive favorites to win the East this year. Edited June 29, 2020 by chongli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Billl said: You really don’t know who the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Seems like he was a pretty well known draft pick. And half this board seems to think Newton is no better than Stidham, so there shouldn’t be a huge drop off if Cam goes down, right? Half of this board is losing it from lack of sports and are starting to come up with some crazy theories and polls. Hopefully when we get football back it'll return to just around 15% ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, chongli said: Yes, let's all worship Tua, even before he has taken a single snap. He is God!! As a Bills fan, I fear Tua. He will tear up our secondary, and put Tre'Davious White to shame. In fact, I crown the Dolphins as prohibitive favorites to win the East this year. There’s plenty of room between being that great and being better than Barkley who is in the conversation of worst backups in the league. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, chongli said: Yes, let's all worship Tua, even before he has taken a single snap. He is God!! As a Bills fan, I fear Tua. He will tear up our secondary, and put Tre'Davious White to shame. In fact, I crown the Dolphins as prohibitive favorites to win the East this year. I should link the TBD topic where Mahomes was struggling in camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Based on what Beane and McD have done so far, I give them the benefit of the doubt. They know Cam very well. Perhaps they didn't believe he would be a good fit. I can't wait to see Cam play in the cold weather of the Northeast. I can see him shaking with his hands in the fanny pack trying to stay warm. And then throwing passes over his receivers heads, and skipping some into the ground, then jogging over to the sidelines looking totally lost w Belichik just glaring at him. The cold wind rain and snow of NE, NY and Buffalo are going to mess with Cam big time. It will be very interesting to see what Cam has left in the tank. A lot of people think he has a lot of game left. I am not one of them. But I was admittedly never a big fan of his. Thought he was all about Cam even when he was good. But not trying to dive on the fumble in the Super Bowl was as weak a football play this side of Kyle Orton checking up short of the first down against the Broncos to keep from getting hit. 5 minutes ago, Billl said: There’s plenty of room between being that great and being better than Barkley who is in the conversation of worst backups in the league. Barkley won't be our backup for long. Fromm is going right by him on the depth chart real quick Billly Boy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, chongli said: Yes, let's all worship Tua, even before he has taken a single snap. He is God!! As a Bills fan, I fear Tua. Add this individual to the the 'nine mistakes' roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: Half of this board is losing it from lack of sports and are starting to come up with some crazy theories and polls. Hopefully when we get football back it'll return to just around 15% ? Guys, this is another post of a Jets fan who is trying to passively aggressively insight these things. Not worth our time. If the mods want to let him keep going, fine as Hapless sent a nice message the other day, but Jets 2020 is just trying to insight silliness on this board. I don’t dislike the guy, just don’t want to play into his nonsense. He knows what he is doing and it’s not that he is a Bills fan. My suggestion is don’t reply to his threads. I’ve not answered his question and won’t. Let the thread die. Like you’re mom said as a kid, if someone is bothering you or a pain, just ignore him and give him absolutely no response. This message is for the real Bills fans on the board, not someone just trying in a veiled way try and stir up trouble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costrovs Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Holy cow, you're right!! The massive hole in our roster that could totally ruin our season is the backup QB position. What do you suggest we do JetsFan20!?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 It is funny. JEST biggest hole is head coach and if he would be injured or fired the hole would certainly not be as big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Fromm > Stidham. So is Barkley. So is Trent Edwards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I like the draft pick of Fromm given what we saw from Barkley last year. With the talent on this team, we just need a QB who can hit the short passes, TE seam routes and the occasional play action. Defense will keep most opponents in check and with a decent OL, Singletary and Moss, we should be able to lean on the running game and jump balls to Diggs / deep play action to Brown for chunk plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, chongli said: You're such a troll. Who do the Dolphins have behind Fitz? Who do the Patriots have behind Newton? Can this person be banned? Can I get back to you? I need to look this up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 So is the idea of our backup QB situation being our major "hole" officially a meme at this point? Feels like it's getting to the point of comedic geniuses barking "lolol league awards compensatory picks to the Patriots lolol" whenever anything of note happens. Or is the OP actually serious in believing this is insightful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Oh goodie....it's been at least a week since the last backup QB thread!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, KD in CA said: Oh goodie....it's been at least a week since the last backup QB thread!! At least this time it doesn't have to do with elitist gun ownership. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 35 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Can I get back to you? I need to look this up So the fins have a rookie behind Fitz.......a player that has not played a down in the NFL yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Will you just go away and haunt someone else already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 We have only seen Barkley one time where he had a week to prepare as the starter and played with the 1st team offense around him. He played surprisingly well then and if the coaches think he is their best QB2 option then I am ok with it. There were years where Frank Reich's status as the #2 QB was the subject of much concern among the Bills fandom. He never looked good in the preseason and seemed to lack any outstanding trait(s) that would justify the organizational faith in him. His first start came in his 4th year with the team in 1989 against the 5-0 Rams on Monday Night Football and the offense sputtered most of the game. I remember Dierdorf(?) asking how a game that was such a clunker could get so good as he lead the team to 17 4th quarter points and they came from behind twice to earn the win. Then we kind of figured out why they kept him around. He went 3-0 in the games he started that year. Frank Reich was the classic example of a backup QB that knew his place, was an asset to the starter during the week of preparation and could rally the team around him when he was called upon. Barkley may or may not be that kind of QB2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, Reader said: At least this time it doesn't have to do with elitist gun ownership. I’m just glad Josh Allen owns an elite gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Our schedule is tough this year. For me it comes down to this, if the Bills can’t beat the Pats with a broken down Cam we have no business in the discussion in the first place. I for one believe Cam makes them better, but if we are what I think we are. It shouldn’t matter. With that said Jetsfan is like really annoying, yeah? Edited June 30, 2020 by Bobby Hooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So the fins have a rookie behind Fitz.......a player that has not played a down in the NFL yet. They have "wrong" Josh who has played a down in NFL behind him. Tua is on team to give rehab team practice. 12 minutes ago, FLFan said: Will you just go away and haunt someone else already? There is not anybody on JEST board worth haunting. Adam Gase chased them away. Last time I went to a JEST board top thread was about trying to get Rex to come back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: Based on what Beane and McD have done so far, I give them the benefit of the doubt. They know Cam very well. Perhaps they didn't believe he would be a good fit. Beane may have reached out to him for all we know. I doubt Cam given his accomplishments wanted to back up Josh Allen. In NE, he will compete for the starting role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: I’m pretty surprised the Bills as a contender didn’t take out an insurance policy for Josh Allen. With Newton in the fold this division is going to be a dogfight and if Barkley/Fromm has to start meaningful games that could be the difference. I know you guys love Beane/McDermott and they are doing a great job, but to me they made a mistake here. Every team in the division has proven QBs behind their starter with the exception of the prohibitive favorite. Interesting point...I have to say that whenever McBean mess up on roster decisions, it’s usually on the offensive side of the ball- definitely their achilles heal...we shall see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I was wondering where Sullivan had gotten to... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Most teams have a dicey situation should their starting QB go down. Barkley has been solid in relief and he's been awful. Fromm is a solid decision maker (except when it comes to his presence on Twitter) who may be a solid game manager, but lacks an NFL skill set in terms of arm strength and athleticism. There's also Davis Webb, who from all accounts has a great football mind and a live arm. It's possible he could show something this preseason that could move him out of the "overlooked" category. I'm not optimistic about what the season would look like if Josh Allen went down early with a season ending injury, but you never know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 80-90% of NFL teams are screwed if their starting QB goes down for an extended period of time. The Bills have a decent backup in Barkley. I am confident in Barkley to keep the team afloat if Josh misses a stretch of games. But if Josh is out for the season this team is screwed and that would be the case for almost any team. The team's fortunes rest on Josh plain and simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So the fins have a rookie behind Fitz.......a player that has not played a down in the NFL yet. Hardly the point of my post...but yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Bring back corpse of Derek Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Bring back corpse of Derek Anderson I'm not sure he's out of the concussion protocol yet. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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