Ed Oliver Arrested DWI

[letsgoteam]

9 hours ago, Clutchwarfare said:

Anyone else thinking of Marcel Darius a lot today?

Sure I agree, if E.O. begins a trend like M.D then yes it could be a similar path.

[BillsFan2313]

4 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Everyone can turn the corner and make the best of their Lives.

 Sooner is better than later. 

 

So give the kid a chance, instead of writing him off. 

[Mango]

9 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

I think you live on another planet, if you dont think that's the norm. Ever been to a Bills game? How many DWIs can happend after one? 

That’s always wild to me. There’s easily 15,000 drivers over the legal limit on the road on Sunday afternoons. 
 

Lowering BAC is stupid. Not that we shouldn’t be more careful. But the issue is enforcement. Just like literally every other law, the data doesn’t point towards severity of punishment having any effect on willingness to commit a crime. The largest impact on reducing crime is if people think they’ll be caught or prosecuted. 
 

Fact is Erie County/City of Buffalo, etc. don’t really care about DUI’s. How many people get pulled over Sunday/Saturday morning around Elmwood, Allen, or Chippewa? Barely any. How many people get popped at a Bills game? The tiniest fraction. Regular enforcement is the problem. Not driving down  the BAC from .1 to .08 to .06. 

Edited May 18, 2020 by Mango

[Chef Jim]

29 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

If you read it in context, I was referring to my son and the advice of his attorney. I have no idea about Ed, and was only commenting on the legal advice not to blow. I was NOT present at that conference, and can NOT advise anyone (except @Chef Jim of course) on how to handle their affairs. It’s just the way I heard it. 

How dare you draw me into a Bills thread. ?

[Doc Brown]

23 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I will say one thing As a Captain after my 2nd deployment. I had a lapse in judgement was drinking at a house party While playing poker. Thought good enough to drive home. 
 

got pulled over. Thankfully the Cop cut me a break pulled my truck into a parking lot and called me a cab. Told me if my truck is gone before 10am the next day when he comes off shift he will arrest me. (Also in Texas BTW lol). 
 

never got behind a wheel again after once sip. Hope this has the same effect on Ed. 
 

will always Remember Officer Jonathan Gomez for the Break he chose to give me. 

Even in this case you weren't dumb enough to have an open beer between your legs.

[BillsFan2313]

26 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I will say one thing As a Captain after my 2nd deployment. I had a lapse in judgement was drinking at a house party While playing poker. Thought good enough to drive home. 
 

got pulled over. Thankfully the Cop cut me a break pulled my truck into a parking lot and called me a cab. Told me if my truck is gone before 10am the next day when he comes off shift he will arrest me. (Also in Texas BTW lol). 
 

never got behind a wheel again after once sip. Hope this has the same effect on Ed. 
 

will always Remember Officer Jonathan Gomez for the Break he chose to give me. 

 

You know damn straight that's not the only time you've driven drunk. Don't kid yourself. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Looking back on it, I've done some stupid, reckless things in my own life that I'm embarrassed of and extremely lucky and thankful that I never had to pay the Pied Piper. It's a miracle I didn't kill myself, let alone an innocent person.

 

I have regrets from my past, and Ed will, too. Inexcusable for all of us to make this choice. I have some sympathy for him, knowing the regret and feelings that he will have moving forward. It's disappointing and unexpected, but it doesn't change who he is or what he can become. 

 

Don't write a man off for one bad choice. Don't excuse away his actions and decisions, either. He'll have questions to answer and debts to pay, but hopefully this will make him a more complete, reflective person and allow the Bills community to get the best out of him moving forward.

Edited May 18, 2020 by EmotionallyUnstable

[MAJBobby]

7 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

You know damn straight that's not the only time you've driven drunk. Don't kid yourself. 

since that point. But before that yep I drove times I probably shouldn’t have 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Well this will be interesting.  The process chased Dareus and Watkins out of town.  Now these are McD and Beane's guys.  Let's see how they handle this.  

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

No, lets declare him guilty because  the internet told me so! 

 

Cue Richard Jewell and the Duke kids..

 

or for that matter lets talk about Arnaud Arbery and what the internet made of his guilt or innocence.

 

And  please for the love of god show me where it has been proven he was driving drunk with a gun.

I will 100% always, always, always, refuse a breath test. And it someone tried to take blood out of my body without my consent they will nedd to knock me out, i would never, ever , never submit to that ...

If you refuse, you admit your guilt and likely face even worse charges. It's not an option.  

[BillsShredder83]

14 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

I was 23 once too. I get it. I’m not ready to crucify the guy but somebody should aware him on what drugs and alcohol can do to your life. I have 3 years sober on the 19th, wish I never touched the stuff at all. Can be the difference between him getting the veteran minimum with his next contract or him making $20 million a year, choice is his to make. 

Awesome stuff congrats brother! I'm at 4months and I've got so much back already. Hope he doesn't wind up with a Sammy Watkins kinda career. That'll eat at him to his deathbed.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Even if his blood alcohol level comes back too high, chances of being suspended are slim. Luckily he had no drugs in the vehicle. He’ll probably get probation from the court, and as a first time offender, nothing from the NFL. 

How do you know this is first offense? First offense is confidential.  It's the second one that is public and draws a suspension. 

[billsfan89]

Let's see if this coaching staff and organization is as strong as we think they are. Ed is a blue chip talent a possible all pro talent and he is young, young kids with a lot of money can make mistakes. But they can't let this get out of hand like what happened to Dareus. I just hope we look back on this as Ed a one off situation as opposed to a pattern. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Fred Slacks said:

Damn those Dukes!

The only duke wirth remembering is Daisy

[billsfan_34]

8 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I'd be surprised if he gets more than 3 games.  I'm still sticking with 2.

Im at 4 after ive thought about it some more. Lets hope for 0 and he gets his stuff together. I have a feeling this is out of the norm for Oliver however the NFL will definitely take action.

[Sherlock Holmes]

16 hours ago, dezertbill said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/17/ed-oliver-arrested-for-dwi-unlawfully-carrying-a-weapon/

 

No bueno.  We finally have all the pieces and this has to happen.  SMH

I'm often accused during patdowns of unlawfully carrying a weapon...This leads to strip searches which gives way to full body cavity searches.

 

It's not my fault I was born the way I was?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

55 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Can't believe he didn't just ride his horse 

 

Perhaps the ATV and its trailer was beyond the limit the horse could haul whilst being ridden.

[Gugny]

34 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

How dare you draw me into a Bills thread. ?

 

Who are the BIlls??

[ProcessAccepted]

50 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Can't believe he didn't just ride his horse 

I'm guessing that's because his horse doesn't have a cup holder.

 

I understand all the we support you  Ed comments but I think a wait and see element is needed. I'd like to see him apologize and show signs that he is learning from this before I go all in on the supporting Ed. We all mess up but not everyone is willing to learn from the lessons that life is teaching us.

[Sherlock Holmes]

14 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Well, o have had my license since 78, never been cited for an open container. 
 

now I gots big problem with driving while drunk , that rightly is and should be strictly enforced. I just don’t understand why if I have 3 beers in a bar, get in a car and drive home that is somehow okay, but if I have a beer as I am driving to the Home Depot and back it is somehow illegal, and worse to some people immoral. It’s a dumb law. What matters is how much I drink, not where I drink it. 
 

 

F****** A!!!

[Augie]

12 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Who are the BIlls??

 

They show up in my mailbox almost daily! Ticks me off, to tell you the truth! 

 

I’ve never met either guy, but I don’t get the sense that Ed is a Darius type of guy. Just a guess, but my gut tells me that. Hope I’m right. 

 

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Edited May 18, 2020 by Augie

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

there is ZERO Law requiring registration of a firearm in Texas. It is open carry state 

 

Correct

https://www.texasgunlaws.org/

[Saint Doug]

While DWI is a horrible offense, unfortunately, in the world of the NFL, this is a lesser offense. We’ve all done stupid things. Hopefully, he realized he could’ve killed someone, grows up, and doesn’t do it again. It could’ve been much worse, he could’ve been on video with a Dolphins or Pats T shirt. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

So let's all just declare him innocent. 

 

Look, kids make mistakes. We all have made mistakes. This kid was driving drunk with a gun. Ask yourself how much you would care about him if he wasn't a very promising young player on our favorite team. 

 

I'll take your answer off the air.

 

Just a little note that I think it may be mischaracterization on the "kid was driving drunk with a gun".  Apparently the gun was found only when they searched the car.

So I'm not sure what it has to do with it.  It's not like he was hellin' around waving the thing.  You couldn't pay me to go ride an ATV in Texas without a gun.  Too many feral hogs.

 

He was allegedly driving drunk, and found with a beer between his legs, which is No Bueno and counts as a mistake, sure.

And no, of course we wouldn't particularly be so interested if he weren't on our favorite team.

[Chef Jim]

27 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Who are the BIlls??

They are a couple of guy (William Smith and William Jones) who I sold my Egg to. 

[BillsVet]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

So let's all just declare him innocent. 

 

Look, kids make mistakes. We all have made mistakes. This kid was driving drunk with a gun. Ask yourself how much you would care about him if he wasn't a very promising young player on our favorite team. 

 

I'll take your answer off the air.

 

TBD discussion that casts a player negatively for on or off field matters quickly becomes doctoral thesis level quibbling.  Never fails to happen.  

[major]

17 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

What a world we live in that we can actually see the arrest hours after it’s happened...

 

 

I don’t see any social distancing or masks in this arrest #justsaying

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

They are a couple of guy (William Smith and William Jones) who I sold my Egg to. 

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MarlinTheMagician]

Stupid move Ed.  I feel bad for the young man.  However, it is a serious mistake.  You can bet Beane and McDermott will be watching him close and if it is a way of life he will be gone.  If not, he can put it behind him like the Hughes drag racing incident.  Ed's choice.  A fork in the road.

[Success]

1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said:

I'm guessing that's because his horse doesn't have a cup holder.

 

I understand all the we support you  Ed comments but I think a wait and see element is needed. I'd like to see him apologize and show signs that he is learning from this before I go all in on the supporting Ed. We all mess up but not everyone is willing to learn from the lessons that life is teaching us.

I'd be shocked if he didn't issue a statement soon - but I agree.  We've all made stupid mistakes. The key is understanding what you done, and who you've let down, and owning up to all of it.  Sometimes, it's those low moments that bring out the best in a person.

 

Here's hoping.

 

[Putin]

37 minutes ago, major said:

I don’t see any social distancing or masks in this arrest #justsaying

ED got so much alcohol in him every time he opens his mouth he kills the virus , you can probably use his spit as hand sanitizer 

Edited May 18, 2020 by Putin

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Stupid move Ed.  I feel bad for the young man.  However, it is a serious mistake.  You can bet Beane and McDermott will be watching him close and if it is a way of life he will be gone.  If not, he can put it behind him like the Hughes drag racing incident.  Ed's choice.  A fork in the road.

What is it with these idiots?  He has a career that will leave him and his children set for life, and he's arrested with illegal possession of a gun and driving around drunk?  Wonder if he'll piss his lottery ticket away like so many others before him.

 

 

[Starr Almighty]

I didn't want to go through all 39 pages... But did anyone figure out why he is barefoot?

[Inigo Montoya]

We all make mistakes, I'm certainly no exception.  There are also consequences for your mistakes.  I've worked in the Emergency Department for 24 years.  I have zero tolerance for drunk drivers.  I've just seen too much of their collateral damage.

 

Edited May 18, 2020 by Inigo Montoya

[StHustle]

36 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

I didn't want to go through all 39 pages... But did anyone figure out why he is barefoot?

 

Cause he is country? ??‍♂️

[Herc11]

11 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Yes, but the difference is mine wasn't an illegal one. Subtle difference, wouldn't you agree?

 

I was just cracking a joke. However, I dont condine DUI, but I wont crucify him or judge him for his mistake. PLENTY of people get DUIs and are much older than he is. It isnt an age or maturity thing.

 

What does matter is, will he learn from his mistake? That is what will reveal his true character.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Herc11

[plenzmd1]

7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

 

If you refuse, you admit your guilt and likely face even worse charges. It's not an option.  

You admit nothing when you refuse a a breath test. That is the point. And yes, those tests can be way wrong. I know, I have been the victim of a faulty test 35 years ago. Thank god found an attorney with some brains. Long story, he sued the IL state police for a bunch of bad tests and won. Now, don’t get me started on how come he kept the majority of the settlement, but I did end up net positive for the episode     
 

 

3 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

I didn't want to go through all 39 pages... But did anyone figure out why he is barefoot?

my guess is he had flip flops on and he was worried they were not stable , but only a guess. 
 

and @Bill from NYC, see ya not have the integrity  for a serious reply. Have you not declared him guilt already? Tell me where I was off. 

Edited May 18, 2020 by plenzmd1

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

and @Bill from NYC, see ya Not have the stones for a serious reply. Have you not declared him guilt already? Tell me where I was off. 

You might want to lighten up, although your playing Sir Walter Raleigh for this kid is amusing.

 

The kid did 2 wrong things. The police and the legal system are not to blame. Ed Oliver did it. Now that we have established that, lets look at the big picture:

 

1) The kid made a mistake. I do not hate, or even dislike him for it. You know why? Because he could have beaten at least one police officer to death and he did not. I do not take his arrest personally and imo, neither should you but again, this simply my opinion.

 

2) Despite my admitted tendency to side with the police, I firmly believe that every American is entitled to the absolute best legal representation that they can possibly get. I actually met Bill Kunstler and he spoke about this and made total sense. This young man is a millionaire and can and will assemble a great, costly legal team. Good for him, and btw; I would do the same thing if I were in his shoes.

 

3) There is plenty of time and hope for this kid to smarten up and make better decisions. This is what I want for him, and the possibility of him doing so does exist. How are his chances of turning things around? I don't know, and btw neither do you. I don't know his life story or his family situation, or what the future will hold for him. I also know that as serious as DUI is, it is an offense committed by many who are not necessarily habitual criminals in other areas of life. In other words, if a player is popped for something like robbery, I would say that there is little hope for turning things around. It doesn't have to be that way with DUI. 

 

4) I offer no predictions about EO's future. Zero. 

 

In summary, I think that we can both agree that we want the young man to make better decisions. As much as I hope that he gets himself together, I for one refuse to depict him as some sort of victim. He could have grabbed his gun, left his car where it was, and taken an Uber.

Edited May 18, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[plenzmd1]

11 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

You might want to lighten up. although your playing Sir Walter Raleigh for this kid is amusing.

 

The kid did 2 wrong things. The police and the legal system are not to blame. Ed Oliver did it. Now that we have established that, lets look at the big picture:

 

1) The kid made a mistake. I do not hate, or even dislike him for it. You know why? Because he could have beaten at least one police officer to death and he did not. I do not take his arrest personally and imo, neither should you but again, this simply my opinion.

 

2) Despite my admitted tendency to side with the police, I firmly believe that every American is entitled to the absolute best legal representation that they can possibly get. I actually met Bill Kunstler and he spoke about this and made total sense. This young man is a millionaire and can and will assemble a great, costly legal team. Good for him, and; I would do the same thing if I were in his shoes.

 

3) There is plenty of time and hope for this kid to smarten up and make better decisions. This is what I want for him, and the possibility of him doing so does exist. How are his chances of turning things around? I don't know, and btw neither do you. I don't know his life story or his family situation, or what the future will hold for him. I also know that as serious as DUI is, it is an offense committed by many who are not habitual criminals in other areas of life. In other words, if a player is popped for something like robbery, I would say that there is little hope for turning things around. It doesn't have to be that way with DUI. 

 

4) I offer no predictions to EO's future. Zero. 

 

In summary, I think that we can both agree that we want the young man to make better decisions. As much as I hope that he gets himself together, I for one refuse to depict him as some sort of victim. He could have grabbed his gun, left his car where it was, and taken an Uber.

Good arguments. Appreciate it. 
 

having said that, in your lost you assume his guilt. All I have been arguing  in this thread is that to assume his guilt before any tests are in is folly. I get it’s the internet age, but we see time and time again that people assume outcomes and and ascribe guilt based on an article written in haste amongst the need to be first. Happens especially to young people of color. 
 

I have never made him out to be a victim, I just refuse to judge him before the facts on in or in a edited to shreds video. 
 

you say he needs to get himself together, turn himself around... turn around from what? 
 

tests come back and he has illegal drugs in his system, or had a BAC of .14 , then we can start to form some opinions, but to do so before any facts are in just makes no sense to me. 

Edited May 18, 2020 by plenzmd1

[Bill from NYC]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

you say he needs to get himself together, turn himself around... turn around from what? 
 

Driving while intoxicated (assuming he was which sorry, imo is a safe assumption) with a gun in your car is a poor decision. I am not trying to force you to agree with me, this is simply how I feel.

 

Do you think I like this? I am not getting any younger and want the Bills to win a Super Bowl. I didn't want this to happen and I view it as a very avoidable mistake.

 

I happen to also be an Alabama Fan. Reuben Foster broke my heart, whereas I think that he could have been the best linebacker in the NFL bar none (once again, jmo). He just kept getting collared for domestic assaults and a host of other crimes. He seems to have tossed away mega millions of dollars and a good life. I do NOT put Oliver in this class!!!!!!!!!! But, imo it is obvious that he needs to make better decisions.

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

Driving while intoxicated (assuming he was which sorry, imo is a safe assumption) with a gun in your car is a poor decision. I am not trying to force you to agree with me, this is simply how I feel.

 

Do you think I like this? I am not getting any younger and want the Bills to win a Super Bowl. I didn't want this to happen and I view it as a very avoidable mistake.

 

I happen to also be an Alabama Fan. Reuben Foster broke my heart, whereas I think that he could have been the best linebacker in the NFL bar none (once again, jmo). He just kept getting collared for domestic assaults and a host of other crimes. He seems to have tossed away mega millions of dollars and a good life. I do NOT put Oliver in this class!!!!!!!!!! But, imo it is obvious that he needs to make better decisions.

If Proven to be true, it’s realy, really dumb. But as of today, nothing is proven. And if it is, as far as I know it is his first time being in trouble. In other words, a mistake, not a pattern. 
 

Ed  grew up in a part of Texas where guns are common, legal, and easy to get. I will tell you with certainty, going out to ride ATVs a and shoot some guns in a common occurrence all over the country, I have even done it on more than one occasion. 
 

again, I just hate to see a guy reputation get torn to shreds based on nothing but speculation. Let the process play out , then make decision and form opinions on facts and not speculation.